The Official PS4 Thread

[Imported]

Why don't you guys just download the game instead of buying disc versions?

All PS4 games have requirements now. They must be installed to the HD, and they must be downloadable from PSN.

Resale. If they're the same price I'd be stupid to go digital.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Black Flag is the first game in the series I haven't bought on release day.

I was not looking forward to it, simply because it seemed more like a cash grab to please the people who liked AC3's sea combat. I wasn't a huge fan, myself, so it didn't appeal to me. I was also concerned about the setting. Islands and small town in the 1400's Caribbean don't exactly scream 'EPIC HEIGHT' to me. I just didn't think the AC game play was very conducive to the setting.

Having said that, I've been renting it from RedBox for the past few weekends. I'm actually enjoying it far more than I expected I would. So much so, that I've been looking at buying it. But I'm reaching the point where I think $60 is just too expensive. If this had launched at $39.99, I probably would have bought it day one. Now, I'll wait until it goes on sale for $34.99, maybe on BF I'll pick it up.

The game starts in 1715 though. I liked what I saw so I got it on ps4.

As for digital games I only do that for smaller games and psn+ games outside of steam. I still like to have the disk on PC but many games are on 3 DVDs and take forever to install. I tolerate digital for this reason on PC.

 

[smackababy]

Resale. If they're the same price I'd be stupid to go digital.

For the vast majority of games there is no resale value unless you trade them in. Nobody is going to buy your 2 year old Madden, Fifa, or NBA2k.

The idea of having some complete collection worth thousands is pretty silly, considering the market for such a collection is so small (most likely under 10 people in the world would buy it) that there is really no value other than in your mind. Digital games are much more convenient and on quite a bit, you don't lose any real value.

The value in buying a game is the enjoyment you get from playing it, not some investment opportunity.

 

[exdeath]

For the vast majority of games there is no resale value unless you trade them in. Nobody is going to buy your 2 year old Madden, Fifa, or NBA2k.

The idea of having some complete collection worth thousands is pretty silly, considering the market for such a collection is so

Sports games are always the laughing stock of resell or collecting. Bad example.

Someone even built a working urinal out of SNES sports games. They are so worthless and take up too much space.

 

[cmdrdredd]

For the vast majority of games there is no resale value unless you trade them in. Nobody is going to buy your 2 year old Madden, Fifa, or NBA2k.

The idea of having some complete collection worth thousands is pretty silly, considering the market for such a collection is so small (most likely under 10 people in the world would buy it) that there is really no value other than in your mind. Digital games are much more convenient and on quite a bit, you don't lose any real value.

The value in buying a game is the enjoyment you get from playing it, not some investment opportunity.

Its really no different than people with a movie collection. Some people want that collection on the shelf. The physical disk will work as long as you have the player. With digital, they can shut off a server and render it useless.

 

[smackababy]

Sports games are always the laughing stock of resell or collecting.

Someone even built a working urinal out of SNES sports games. They are worthless.

Outside of the very few rare titles, most games releases these days are in such high supply there is no market for them. Nobody is going to want to buy AC:Black Flag or the latest COD in 5 or 6 years from you because there will be 5 or 6 newer versions out and the games won't be particularly good.

If a game is truly stellar (to the point of something like Chrono Trigger; how I wish any game would be that good), they are produced in such numbers they are no longer rare.

 

[bearxor]

The game starts in 1715 though. I liked what I saw so I got it on ps4.

As for digital games I only do that for smaller games and psn+ games outside of steam. I still like to have the disk on PC but many games are on 3 DVDs and take forever to install. I tolerate digital for this reason on PC.

Sorry, you're right, i just slipped and hit the 4 key. I fixed it.

 

[exdeath]

Outside of the very few rare titles, most games releases these days are in such high supply there is no market for them. Nobody is going to want to buy AC:Black Flag or the latest COD in 5 or 6 years from you because there will be 5 or 6 newer versions out and the games won't be particularly good.

If a game is truly stellar (to the point of something like Chrono Trigger; how I wish any game would be that good), they are produced in such numbers they are no longer rare.

Again, mainstream AAA games. AC? COD? They will be worthless in less than a year and 19.99 brand new in 6 months. You could use CoD discs as toilet paper and never run out.

Nintendo first party games? Yeah good luck finding ANY USED Pokemon title under $30 STILL. Zelda OoT for 3DS a year old? Yeah still $30 minimum

Atlus titles? Where's my copy of Cross Edge or Trinity Universe for $1.99?

Xenoblade or Fire Emblem for Wii?

Figures you of all people would list sports games and big AAA mainstream sequels while trying to argue games have no value.

Completely depends on the game. If you don't buy any niche or limited titles then yeah games will have no value to you.

Xenoblade Chronicles and Metroid Prime Trilogy. Ill just leave it at that.

 

[KeithTalent]

Its really no different than people with a movie collection. Some people want that collection on the shelf. The physical disk will work as long as you have the player. With digital, they can shut off a server and render it useless.

I agree with all of that of course. The scarcity argument does not really work with games these days. For movies it still does; I own several Blu-rays that are worth around $100 or more, not that I plan on selling them, I buy them to watch and re-watch.

Also, for the same price I would much rather just have a physical disc and the case on my shelf.

KT

 

[BikeJunkie]

I just downloaded the 1.51 update (323MB) in less than 90 seconds. PSN seems just fine. People having slow speeds might want to check for other issues, even if the PS3 was "fine" for them. Maybe something has happened since using your PS3 last?

Just spitballing here...

 

[purbeast0]

i don't care how much my games are worth. i buy them to play, not to try and get a $50 return on a $50 purchase 20 years from now.

 

[Alienwho]

Since when does resale mean you want to sell your games 5 years down the road? Why download a game like AC4 when you can buy it for $60, play it at your leisure and after completing the game resell it for $40 pretty easily on craigslist knowing that you'll never play the game again.

 

[exdeath]

i don't care how much my games are worth. i buy them to play, not to try and get a $50 return on a $50 purchase 20 years from now.

As do I.

But I still have $1000s in physical assets. Digital = $0 from day one.

I don't just buy games to keep sealed for value, I open and play them.

Honestly has nothing to do with games but property rights in general.

My cars or guns or TV or house aren't worth $0 or locked to me from day 0, why should $20,000 in video games be any different?

Its the principle of private property and ownership rights in general, that's what resell value represents. If it has value and I can sell it, that means I own it and can do whatever I want with it. That is the biggest downfall to digital. Same price but lack of true ownership.

 

[purbeast0]

As do I.

But I still have $1000s in physical assets. Digital = $0 from day one.

I don't just buy games to keep sealed for value, I open and play them.

Honestly has nothing to do with games but property rights in general.

My cars or guns or TV or house aren't worth $0 or locked to me from day 0, why should $20,000 in video games be useless and intangible?

didn't you preorder multiple 3ds and multiple wii-u, both in limited editions, to keep as a collector item?

and yeah i agree i'd rather have a physical copy of something than the digital version. it has nothing to do with the resale value though for me.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Yea there is quite a difference of opinions when it comes to digital downloads and their "worth".

Those of us older folk who are used to "owning" physical media do not see value in digital. If I'm paying $60, I want a physical copy I can gain back something from should I not like the product, or simply don't want it anymore.

Now....if I'm paying $5-10 (or less) for that same item digitally..I can let that slide and I'm sure everyone's limits vary by person, but I will NOT pay the same price for digital as physical. Ever. The whole point of digital is ease of use, but if you're being charged the same for both (for a product that clearly has less value and cost involved), then the clear winner is physical.

 

[Imported]

Since when does resale mean you want to sell your games 5 years down the road? Why download a game like AC4 when you can buy it for $60, play it at your leisure and after completing the game resell it for $40 pretty easily on craigslist knowing that you'll never play the game again.

This is where I was leaning with my resale post. I don't look to sell games in years. I'll sell or trade it in when I finish with it. Even $10 back is better than $0. If the digital version is $10 or $20 less, than I wouldn't mind buying a digital version since I could already factor in the resale/trade-in value.

 

[exdeath]

didn't you preorder multiple 3ds and multiple wii-u, both in limited editions, to keep as a collector item?

and yeah i agree i'd rather have a physical copy of something than the digital version. it has nothing to do with the resale value though for me.

Yes for myself though. Because I'm a sucker for anything Zelda. Not reselling.

That's different in that I ordered one to own and enjoy too and the unopened one will be mine to keep as well.

Anything I buy to keep unopened needs to be pretty special to me in some way and even then I get two because I will open and play the hell out of it. Those cases are pretty rare though. Out of 4 x 5 bookshelves full of games dating to NES I can count on both hands how many times I bought two of something to keep one sealed.

As I tried to explain, its not resell value per se that matters, so much as that resell value indicates actual tangible ownership of property. You don't "own" digital games and I have a big problem with that, especially when they are the same price that physical games I can own have historically been since the NES.

 

[007ELmO]

we should be able to re-sell digital, then.

 

[exdeath]

Yea there is quite a difference of opinions when it comes to digital downloads and their "worth".

Those of us older folk who are used to "owning" physical media do not see value in digital. If I'm paying $60, I want a physical copy I can gain back something from should I not like the product, or simply don't want it anymore.

Now....if I'm paying $5-10 (or less) for that same item digitally..I can let that slide and I'm sure everyone's limits vary by person, but I will NOT pay the same price for digital as physical. Ever. The whole point of digital is ease of use, but if you're being charged the same for both (for a product that clearly has less value and cost involved), then the clear winner is physical.

This.

I don't own a movie at a theater but that's ok because it was only $9.

 

[drquest]

we should be able to re-sell digital, then.

But you don't "own them", that's why they like pushing the digital delivery. I'd pay more to have the physical copy...... But would rather pay less for the digital copy.

 

[007ELmO]

why can't we own the digital copies, once we "own" them we can then "sell" it

 

[KeithTalent]

I thought they let you re-sell digital copies in the EU? I may be mistaken on that, but I thought they were fighting for that.

KT

 

[smackababy]

I thought they let you re-sell digital copies in the EU? I may be mistaken on that, but I thought they were fighting for that.

KT

They made laws about that, but nothing has happened yet. Nobody is in compliance as far as I know. MS was trying to do something like that with the Xbox One, but having install discs that were nothing but meaningless data and requiring activation really seemed to annoy some people.


And anyone saying they refuse to pay the same for digital over physical, you had better get ready to stop buying media then. Physical media is going away and if you think ANY company producing content is going to give you a discount for the money they are saving, you're an idiot.

 

[raasco]

I thought they let you re-sell digital copies in the EU? I may be mistaken on that, but I thought they were fighting for that.

KT

I think that is still tied up in the court system. I haven't heard anything on that in quite some time.

 

[exdeath]

why can't we own the digital copies, once we "own" them we can then "sell" it

Because the whole push to digital in the first place is tied to greed and pay per view, subscription, pay to win, DLC, etc models. If you don't own something you can be forced to buy it indefinitely and more. They don't *want* you owning something indefinitely that you only pay for one time.

Digital is ALL about less value for the customer and more bottom line for the company.