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glennbig

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Just updated bios from original 3.2 to 3.5 and now vdimm max is 2.85 down from 3.10 max in bios 3.2
I need the extra voltage for my OCZ VX4000 ram
can anyone with 3.5 bios check their max vdimm for me...maybe i got bad flash because i dont see this change in any of user posts or bios change logs

thanks
glennbig


can anyone answer this 4 me...was just sent bios 3.61 from MSI but no changes from 3.5 that i can see
 

dtube

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Originally posted by: aeroguy

Okay, I tried your suggestion and set up WinMCE for 2 speakers via 3.5mm jack. I went to an HDTV source broadcasting DD5.1 (My Name is Earl). The reciever downsampled to pro-logic. I went to nVidia Decoder Properties and clicked the Audio tab. nVidia settings show the audio format is DD5.1 and the listening mode is stereo. At this point, I went into the speaker setup, and when "Connected to computer speakers" there is no option for SPDIF passthough. When I clicked the "Connected to a receiver" radio button, I get an option for "via an SPDIF cable". Only when I check that box do I get DD5.1 on my receiver, but then the sound will not play straight to the TV. I'm beginning to think it's not possible to get DD5.1 to my receiver and 2 channel stereo to my TV at the same time.

Thanks for taking interest in my problem. If I can't get this solved I may go analog 5.1 to my receiver.

Hi Earl,
My name is Daniel.
I spent some time tonight testing / checking the configuration. Here are what i found:

1. To get to the "spdif passthrough", it is under the dvd/audio setup. I did not spend much time to figure out how to quickly get to that but this is what you can do: go to the MCE setting, general and select speaker setup. At the end of the setup where you can select "yes or no - I can hear everything correctly...", select no then it will take you to another menu. That is where you see the spdif passthrough.
With that said, i don't think this will have an effect on what we trying to accomplish.

2. Now back to the MCE speaker setup again, if you select your speaker type is 2 or 5.1, the next step is where you define the output. If you select digital out (single RCA digital) ... Now if you play an AC-3 source, your receiver will "correctly" detect the signal and your nvidia speaker setup setting will automatically be at receiver & spdif out. This is good BUT the analog output from the 3.5 mm to your TV speaker will be very low (you have to crank up the volume considerably to hear it).

3. Now if you setup like what you and I have tried before. E.G: MCE speaker setup, 2 speakers, dual RCA analog... Now if you play the movie, it will output to the TV speakers BUT if you decide to turn on your receiver, it will receive the digital signal from your SPDIF connection. However, the receiver will down-sampled it to prologic. Now if you go to nvidia purevideo speaker setting to change it to "receiver/spdif", the receiver will then switch to AC-3. But ..., if you maximize your video screen again, the receiver will bounce back to prologic. This is what troubling me because the change does not stick.

My guess is the nvidia purevideo setting for audio is automatically set to what you have set under the MCE/setup/General/Speaker settings. You can change the nvidia setting while the video is playing but it will not stick. I am going to try to find a setting in the registry where you can indepenently set this.

My take is that you should be able to use both analog (the green jack) and SPDIF at the same time because the analog and digital settings are separate. For example, if you take a standard DVD player, you can have both analog and digital active at the same time.

I understand you can go analog 5.1 to the receiver but that will take more CPU processing cycles because now it has to decode the digital audio stream and convert it to analog. I prefer the mobo to send the stream to the receiver and let it do the work.

Sorry for the long email but I hope you understand what I'm trying say.

 

avi85

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Originally posted by: glennbig
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Just updated bios from original 3.2 to 3.5 and now vdimm max is 2.85 down from 3.10 max in bios 3.2
I need the extra voltage for my OCZ VX4000 ram
can anyone with 3.5 bios check their max vdimm for me...maybe i got bad flash because i dont see this change in any of user posts or bios change logs

thanks
glennbig


can anyone answer this 4 me...was just sent bios 3.61 from MSI but no changes from 3.5 that i can see

I just checked and my max is 2.85 (bios 3.5)
what is different in bios 3.61, are there any cpu voltage controls? more memory dividers? etc...
 

aeroguy

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Originally posted by: aeroguy

Okay, I tried your suggestion and set up WinMCE for 2 speakers via 3.5mm jack. I went to an HDTV source broadcasting DD5.1 (My Name is Earl). The reciever downsampled to pro-logic. I went to nVidia Decoder Properties and clicked the Audio tab. nVidia settings show the audio format is DD5.1 and the listening mode is stereo. At this point, I went into the speaker setup, and when "Connected to computer speakers" there is no option for SPDIF passthough. When I clicked the "Connected to a receiver" radio button, I get an option for "via an SPDIF cable". Only when I check that box do I get DD5.1 on my receiver, but then the sound will not play straight to the TV. I'm beginning to think it's not possible to get DD5.1 to my receiver and 2 channel stereo to my TV at the same time.

Thanks for taking interest in my problem. If I can't get this solved I may go analog 5.1 to my receiver.

Originally posted by: dtube
Hi Earl,
My name is Daniel.
I spent some time tonight testing / checking the configuration. Here are what i found:
No big deal, but my name is Nick.

1. To get to the "spdif passthrough", it is under the dvd/audio setup. I did not spend much time to figure out how to quickly get to that but this is what you can do: go to the MCE setting, general and select speaker setup. At the end of the setup where you can select "yes or no - I can hear everything correctly...", select no then it will take you to another menu. That is where you see the spdif passthrough.
With that said, i don't think this will have an effect on what we trying to accomplish.
I will check this out, but yes, I don't think it will have an effect.

2. Now back to the MCE speaker setup again, if you select your speaker type is 2 or 5.1, the next step is where you define the output. If you select digital out (single RCA digital) ... Now if you play an AC-3 source, your receiver will "correctly" detect the signal and your nvidia speaker setup setting will automatically be at receiver & spdif out. This is good BUT the analog output from the 3.5 mm to your TV speaker will be very low (you have to crank up the volume considerably to hear it).
I agree with what you said, except for I have never heard anything out of the TV speakers with an AC-3 source... I will crank them up and see what happens. I guess this is the setup I would like, but without having to crank up the TV speakers.

3. Now if you setup like what you and I have tried before. E.G: MCE speaker setup, 2 speakers, dual RCA analog... Now if you play the movie, it will output to the TV speakers BUT if you decide to turn on your receiver, it will receive the digital signal from your SPDIF connection. However, the receiver will down-sampled it to prologic. Now if you go to nvidia purevideo speaker setting to change it to "receiver/spdif", the receiver will then switch to AC-3. But ..., if you maximize your video screen again, the receiver will bounce back to prologic. This is what troubling me because the change does not stick.

My guess is the nvidia purevideo setting for audio is automatically set to what you have set under the MCE/setup/General/Speaker settings. You can change the nvidia setting while the video is playing but it will not stick. I am going to try to find a setting in the registry where you can indepenently set this.
This is the problem, I don't want the reciever to downsample. I can't remeber for sure with DVDs, but if I minimize, change nVidia settings to receiver/SPDIF, then maximize when watching OTA HDTV DD5.1 sound the setting does actually stick, but then I get no sound though the TV. Even if it did work for DVDs, it's not that great of a solution since you still have to leave the MCE shell and manually change the settings.

My take is that you should be able to use both analog (the green jack) and SPDIF at the same time because the analog and digital settings are separate. For example, if you take a standard DVD player, you can have both analog and digital active at the same time.
I totally agree, you can have both active and I have no problem with this, but the receiver downsamples to Prologic. What I want is for the receiver to output AC-3 and the TV to output Stereo at the same time. My DVD player does this all the time, but I can't get it to work on my HTPC.

I understand you can go analog 5.1 to the receiver but that will take more CPU processing cycles because now it has to decode the digital audio stream and convert it to analog. I prefer the mobo to send the stream to the receiver and let it do the work.
Good point. Also, I only have nVidia PureVideo Decoder Bronze, I believe I would need the Gold Version to pass analog 5.1 to the receiver and don't want to spend the money.

I don't know whether it's amotherboard or software limitation, but I really wish I could make this work.
 

dtube

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Hi Nick,
sorry about the "Earl" thing. I was not thinking straight...
I am very certain that this is NOT a motherboard problem. It's a problem with MCE and the NVidia purevideo decoder. Another forum specifically talks about what we are seeing and everyone has different hardware. Read here www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8237275&&

On another forum which i made some post. Another person suggest an entry in the registry but that did not work for me. Read here thegreenbutton.org/forums/thread/137651.aspx

Since it is not a MSI K8NGM2-FID mobo issue, I'm going to stop here because I don't want it to evolve into something else beyond the real intent of the original thread started by Renethx. Please swing by the other forums for more. I'm going to spend some more time tonight to see if I can find anything else.

 

aeroguy

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Yes, time to get back on topic. Sorry for the thread hijack, but I appreciate the help nonetheless.
 

renethx

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ABIT NF-M2 nView (Global site) or ABIT NF-M2 nView (USA site) looks good.
  • Memory: DDR2 800/667/533 ECC and non-ECC, un-buffered memory, max 8GB
  • Audio: ALC883 7.1 Ch. HD
  • No onboard TV-out connector
  • Back Panel: 1 x VGA and 1 x DVI. No parallel port. Instead it comes with 7.1 Ch. HD audio connectors and optical S/PDIF in and out.
  • BIOS: Adjustable CPU External Clock, K8<->NB HT Speed, NB<->SB HT Speed, CPU Core Voltage, DDRII Voltage and Chipset Core Voltage
  • Accessories: unknown
  • AMD LIVE? ready
If you don't need analog TV-out (all newer TVs have DVI-in), the board may be ideal for HTPC.
 

Saku

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I'm about to run an X2 3800 on one of these boards (Foxconn). Really great thread going here, I think this mobo has great OCing potential. I'm shooting for 2.4 on stock volts. Any advice as to what to set the ratios as?

 

ryansebiz

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Originally posted by: dtube

As far as the share memory setting and NB-SB speed, I guess you have to try out what will be best for you. I think you are ok with 64 MB and 800 MHz.

With 1080i I sometimes see choppiness but not much.
Running @720p, my cpu utilization is about 20-33 %.

I see that you have a GEforce 7800GT in your main PC. May be you can try that in your HTPC to see if this may help. I was not too happy with the onboard video so I installed a 6600-based vid. card.

I figured it out!

It had nothing to do with drivers or software. It was a hardware problem.

I read through the first post of this thread and got my answer!

The guide says that the RAM needed to be in the first two DIMM slots. I had the RAM in the green slots, which effectively renders it in single channel instread of dual channel.

Moved the second stick directly next to the first one (closest to the CPU), booted back and 1080i is SILKY SMOOTH!

Thanks for all the help fellas!
 

dtube

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Originally posted by: Saku
I'm about to run an X2 3800 on one of these boards (Foxconn). Really great thread going here, I think this mobo has great OCing potential. I'm shooting for 2.4 on stock volts. Any advice as to what to set the ratios as?

With decent/good memory, you can easily keep the memory at ddr400 with 10x multiplier with the freq set at 240. You may have to the HTT to 4x. If not stable, you may have to give vcore a little bump.
Good luck and have fun
 

VoXiE

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Howdy (once again):

Sorry for the double post, but I need to replace the stock CPU cooler on my Athlon 64 3000+. It's running way too hot and loud in my Antec Aria case using the K8NGM2-FID. I see on the very first page of this thread that there's a list of recommended coolers, but I'm guessing the list isn't specific to the Aria. Would those who have the same case/mobo combo as I do please post their experiences on the very best (i.e., quiet and efficient) CPU cooling solution? Thanks in advance for the help!
 

Saku

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Thanks alot for your reply dtube I will try it out when I get my X2 on Tuesday.
btw- my 64 Freezer Pro will not fit onto my mobo bc the northbridge heatsink is in the way! UGHHH what a waste of $20.
 

glennbig

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posted by avi85
I just checked and my max is 2.85 (bios 3.5)
what is different in bios 3.61, are there any cpu voltage controls? more memory dividers? etc...
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no differences at all that i can see...same mem dividers and no cpu ratios or voltage settings and same vdimm settings as 3.5 bios...build date is 06/20/06

thanks for checking your voltage settings 4 me

btw...msi says in the email with the 3.61 bios that their coming out with an official bios release soon that will have more options for cpu settings but who knows what their idea of soon is and what other cpu options it will have
 

avi85

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Originally posted by: glennbig
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posted by avi85
I just checked and my max is 2.85 (bios 3.5)
what is different in bios 3.61, are there any cpu voltage controls? more memory dividers? etc...
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no differences at all that i can see...same mem dividers and no cpu ratios or voltage settings and same vdimm settings as 3.5 bios...build date is 06/20/06

thanks for checking your voltage settings 4 me

btw...msi says in the email with the 3.61 bios that their coming out with an official bios release soon that will have more options for cpu settings but who knows what their idea of soon is and what other cpu options it will have

I got BIOS v3.71 from MSI and it is also the exact same thing as 3.5 (and the ram still only goes up to 2.85)
 

WallStreet

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Originally posted by: Saku
Thanks alot for your reply dtube I will try it out when I get my X2 on Tuesday.
btw- my 64 Freezer Pro will not fit onto my mobo bc the northbridge heatsink is in the way! UGHHH what a waste of $20.

Saku,

Which Foxconn board did you try putting the 64 Freezer Pro on?

Thanks,

 

Saku

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6150K8MA-8EKRS

The stock 4 heatpipe X2 cooler fit fine on there, but that Freezer need more clearance near the locking bracket, it is quite large.
 

WallStreet

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Originally posted by: Saku
6150K8MA-8EKRS

The stock 4 heatpipe X2 cooler fit fine on there, but that Freezer need more clearance near the locking bracket, it is quite large.

Thanks for the info! I have a 6150K8MD-8EKRS that I am having trouble using the AMD stock cooler on (temps too high) and I was thinking about getting the 64 Freezer Pro to replace it. I will now look at something else.

I actually have 2 of the 6150K8MD-8EKRS boards and am using a Thermalright XP-90 on the other one. It works great.
 

Saku

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It is a VERY nice board and has been super stable for me. I think it is mostly overlooked by ppl because of DFI and ASUS, every review I have read on it gives it good rating.

Are you using the 4 heatpipe cooler or the regular one? It's weird bc I fit the 4 heatpipe one on there fine, but had some trouble fitting the regular AMD cooler on there. I just purchased a used A8N SLi so I will be able to use the Freezer. If I have time I will compare the OCs between the two boards. I will look in the XP-90 if I build something with this Foxconn.

EDIT: I was just looking at the the manual for this Freezer and I was installing it the wrong way. I thought the fan was an outtake but it actually an intake fan so the locking bracket would go on the far top side of your mobo.

I thought the locking bracket usually goes on the inner bracket??
 

aeroguy

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Am I asking too much of the onboard graphics to record 2 analog TV progams (via Hauppauge PVR-500) and one HD program (via Vbox DTA-150) at the same time?

I'm getting some serious blockiness and jerkiness in the HD video when I try this. But when I record a single HD program, I get no problems. I guess I'm asking whether it is the onboard graphics for sure before investing in a video card.

Specs:
MSI K8NGM2-FID Motherboard using Onboard Graphics
AMD Athlon 3200+ @ 2.0 GHz (Runs stable at 2.3 GHz, but I know nothing about oc'ing and don't know what kind of penaly I pay for running at DDR333 vs. DDR400).
1 GB Corsair Value Ram (2x512)
Windows MCE 2005

Edit:
My coworker seems to think the hard drive is the bottleneck and a raid 0 might solve my problems. Current setup:
Boot Drive - 80 GB Samsung IDE
TV Recording Drive - 250 GB Samsung SATA (70% free space).

If this is the case, I'll take my question elsewhere as it does not pertain to the motherboard.
 

grits

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Recording doesn't use any graphics. It doesn't use much else either.

Playback is another matter. If you use software decoding, that can load both the CPU and GPU.

Try just recording the three streams w/o playing anything. Then see if the HD plays OK.

I can record two HD streams and simultaneously play another 1080i recording with the onboard video using MCE and a X2-3800.

[Edit] Probably not a HDD bottleneck. One HD + two SD isn't taxing the drive.
 

aeroguy

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Originally posted by: grits
Recording doesn't use any graphics. It doesn't use much else either.

Playback is another matter. If you use software decoding, that can load both the CPU and GPU.

Try just recording the three streams w/o playing anything. Then see if the HD plays OK.

I can record two HD streams and simultaneously play another 1080i recording with the onboard video using MCE and a X2-3800.

[Edit] Probably not a HDD bottleneck. One HD + two SD isn't taxing the drive.
You're right! If I record 1 HD and 2 analog programs without playing anything back it runs pretty decent (CPU runs at 1 GHz with cool and quiet enabled).

If I record 1 HD and 2 analog programs while watching the HD program timeshifted, I have tons of problems (CPU runs at ~1.8 GHz with cool and quiet enabled).

If I only record 1 HD program and playback that HD program timeshifted, it runs fine. I only have a problem when I add in an analog recording to the mix (even just 1).

Any suggestions on how to improve this?
 

grits

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Not really. I don't even have an analog tuner in mine.

Disable CnQ? Use a better mpeg2 codec? Change vid out to x720 if it's x1280 now.
 

WickedSubstitute

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8. Choosing Components

CPU Cooler that Fits K8NGM2-FID

* Thermalright SI-128

I would like to confirm that the Thermalright SI-128 fits the K8NGM2 mobo. Heatpipes oriented towards the memory slots, clearance with both capacitors and Corsair memory sticks is about 3 mm. Access to slot1 and slot2 is allowed after heatsink installation.
 

HT2001

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Hi,

I've been reading through the MSI K8NGM2-FID thread and I see that subsonic somehow managed to install Vista RC1 using the same motherboard? I've pm'd him but he hasn't replied yet.

The thing is I can't even get the vista RC1 dvd that I burned to boot up, it justs keeps reseting after the bios screens and loops. The disc is fine because it loads up on my brothers P4/Asus pc. I don't use a RAID configuration so I am baffled.

My configurations are:

Athlon 64 X2 3800/Zalman 7000Cu
MSI K8NGM2-FID (Bios 3.0)
2x 250GB Samsung SATA Spinpoint HDD
2x 512MB 3200 Crucial ram
NEC 3450 dvd/rw
350w Seasonic PSU

Has anyone else successfully installed the latest Vista on their MSI K8NGM2-FID mobo?

Thanks
 

renethx

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Originally posted by: WickedSubstitute
I would like to confirm that the Thermalright SI-128 fits the K8NGM2 mobo. Heatpipes oriented towards the memory slots, clearance with both capacitors and Corsair memory sticks is about 3 mm. Access to slot1 and slot2 is allowed after heatsink installation.
glennbig in this thead is using SI-128 with this board, perhaps with no clearance problem. PM him for details.