The *Official* MSI K8NGM2-FID GeForce 6150 Motherboard Thread

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jimcpl

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Originally posted by: gman81

On a different note, has anyone run Vista on the -FID board with 6150 int. graphics?

gman,

I had it running (CTP 5308, I think) for awhile last week, but am back to Win2K Server. It ran a bit slowly for my tastes, and posts on the MS Vista NGs indicated that was expected with a beta.

Installation went smoothly. I have an AMD 64 3000+ CPU and have a Seagate 120GB PATA drive, in case you're wondering.

Jim
 

MinIF

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First a quick thanks to all those who helped make this the definitive thread on the MSI....FID.

This motherboard sure looked like it had/has the potential to be just what I was looking for in a HTPC. Unfortunately I seemed to have hit a major snag. Is anyone using a PCI dvb-s card with this board? If so which one, any bios or driver or IRQ or whatever tricks necessary? Twinhan 102g works fine in my older (P-4 2.8ghz Asus) rig but manages a whopping 3-4 fps in the MSI with purevideo.

I havent even recieved it yet but really fear my HDTV ATSC over the air tuner card will fair the same (pci based dvico fusion). Lots of folks seem to be using this board maybe someone has some insight. For now I just running some of the Ultimate boot utilites looking for a bad component.

On another note. Any recommendations on a power supply (400W or so) for my case? It runs at 12.95-13.04vdc and likes to alarm PCAlert. I have already pulled it and swapped it out with an older antec (20 pin) but that puts me down one machine.

thanks

 

sdheda

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I am having a problem with this motherboard. When I try to shut down windows it does not turn off the hard drives and fans.

I am also unable to turn off the computer by holding down the power bottun for a few seconds.

This is my setup:
AMD X2 4400+ w/ Scythe Ninja
2x1GB Corsair XMS
WD 74GB Raptor HDD (I have more hard drives but they are not attached right now)
Silverstone SST-ST30NF PSU
Antec P180 Case
Viewsonic VA1912wb

I also want to know if the onbaord video will be enough for my needs. I don't play games, I just watch movies and tv shows.

Thanks in advance.

 

pctwo

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Originally posted by: sdheda
I also want to know if the onbaord video will be enough for my needs. I don't play games, I just watch movies and tv shows.

I use onboard video and am able to play all the 1080p HD trailers from Apple and sample 1080p clips from MS smoothly. For stress testing, I even play the step into liquid 1080p wmvhd trailer while runing dual prime w/ normal priority. I only have a X2 3800+ and 2gb value ram, so you should be fine.

Caveat: the wmvhd trailers are only 1440x1080, not 1920x1080. I don't have any full length HD video to try. It's unclear what the apple trailers res are. It says format H264 960x400 but video size 1920x800

I do get dropped frames when playing SOME 1920x1080i TS (transport stream) files, but these are files I download from the net so I don't know if the problem is with the source or my rig. I have ffdshow and nvideo purevideo decoder installed.
 

sdheda

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Thanks pctwo. I guess I will try it out, but from your description, it looks as though it will be fine for my needs.

I still haven't solved the problem with my board. Most people have the problem of the board either not posting or not cold booting. It seems as though I am the only one that has the problem of the board not shutting down. I have tried clearing the cmos, reflashing the bios and removing everything except the power connections and switch to the board. The board posts, but then I can't turn it off by pressing the power button. I have to turn the switch on the psu.

Any suggestions. Should I RMA the board?
 

tempoct

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Hi,
I'm trying to overclock on this board by following the first thread guide but run into several weird problems, esp with Memtest86+ v1.65. It always fail at 5:50 mins (test #5). It is not just failed memory but the system hang and screen is garbage when using onboard graphic. When I use the GeForce 6600, it give me "unoxpectedwInterruwt - handling" error at the same time every run and the system hang. Disabled the onboard graphic didn't help but delay the fail to 6:20 mins. Here's my config;

Bios v3.20
Athlon 64 Venice 3200+ E6
Corsair XMS DDR400 512x2 (was running 4x512 together with Corsair ValueRAM before but I have removed the ValueRAM. Also, the ValueRAM doesn't boot at this setup).
* Memclock Mode [Limit]
o Memclock Value [166 MHz]
* User Config Mode [Manual]
o CMD-ADDR Timing Mode [1T]
* CPU to NB Frequency [1000 MHz]
* NB to SB Frequency [1000 MHz]
* CPU to NB Linkwidth [16 down, 16 up]
* CPU-LDT Frequency, MHz [210]

I upgrade my mobo from Jetway which I usually clock my mem @ 220 MHz (4x512) and the CPU usually runs stable at 2.2GHz. I also have the memtest USB legacy problem and I have disabled the option. Memtest were giving error at stock speed when the USB legacy is enabled.

Any thought?
 

R3MF

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"Monitors can be used either landscape mode (default) or portrait mode. To change mode, right click NVIDIA Settings in the system tray, then choose "GPU name (Display #)" > Rotation Settings > Rotate 0, 90, 180, 270 degree. "

i am having a problem with dual-view atm.

i have a 2405 and a 1704 monitors from dell.

i want the 2405 in landscapein portrait, but only get the option of landscape or portrait for both.

this is with a Shuttle SN25P and MSI 7900GT, will i have the same problem with a 2-FID board which i have ordered?

cheers

R3MF
 

renethx

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Originally posted by: SDPlissken
Is it just me or is there too many people having issues with these matx gforce boards.
Which GeForce 6150 board are you using? What problems do you have?
 

SDPlissken

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@renethx it was sugested to me to look into buying one of these Geforce6100/6150 chipset boards being they are fairly cheap. however with some users posting issues, and linux support not being there on top of that these boards need a mimimum of 1-2gig's of mem since the gpu get's it memory from the installed amount. that is a budget buster to me. hope those who own these boards get whatever issues sorted out.
 

aylai

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It's hard to say what percentage of people are experiencing what problems.

I'd guess that people with less problems are less likely to be reading and replying to this thread. I'm one of them. :)
 

renethx

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SDPlissken, so you have not used the board yet. As for linux, I am not sure to what degree you are saying linux support not being there. But if you install appropriate drivers, linux works perfectly. Even ASUS ADI AD1986A audio works with ALSA driver. Nowadays everbody uses 1GB or more memory and memory size is a nonissue. (Are you still using only 512MB?)
 

SDPlissken

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renethx yes 512 is all my budget will allow right now,and it's all i use.From the way you talk about this board it would seem to be a good budget board however the fact that the minimum memory needed is 1gig or more puts this board out my reach.
 

douayang

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Originally posted by: Olive Yew
Mikeaco, Renethx meant well with his mini overclocking guides. But in those guides he makes several rather large assumptions about the components in your system, which in my experience can never be taken for granted.

The 1st step for any new system build should *always* be to test the memory. I can't stress that enough. It is very bad practice to start stress testing other components in your system without first determining if your memory is functioning without errors. If you jump ahead to test the CPU or the limits of your HTT, you'll never know if any errors that pop up are due to your memory or the limitations of your other components. Even if you've tested the memory you intend to use previously on another system, you still need to test it again. No mobo in existence will work flawlessly or optimally with all available types of memory. The K8NGM2-FID is no different.

As for specific practices, here's how to get started testing memory on this particular mobo. These instructions are with regard to the 3.13beta BIOS:




Before you get started, head over to http://www.memtest.org/ and download the latest copy of Memtest 86+. Burn/Write yourself a bootable floppy or CD before you proceed.

1. Under the "Advanced Chipset Features" menu, make the following changes
a - MCT Timing Mode -> Manual
b - CAS Latency (CL) -> As per spec for your RAM
c - TRAS -> As per spec for your RAM
d - TRP -> As per spec for your RAM
e - TRCD -> As per spec on your RAM

Most RAM sticks are labeled with their timings such as 2.5-3-3-7 or 3-4-4-8. Those numbers are listed in order as CAS Latency-tRCD-tRP-tRAS.

f - CPU to NB Frequency -> 800mhz
g - NB to SB Frequency -> 800mhz
g - CPU to NB LinkWidth -> 16 16
h - Primary Graphics Adapter -> PCI Express if you're using an separate vid card (recommended)
i - Onchip and PCIe VGA Selection -> Disable Onchip VGA if have PCIe VGA if you're using a separate vid card (recommended)
j - Onchip VGA Frame Buffer Size -> 16MB
k - CPU LDT Frequency, Mhz -> 200mhz

Note: It's highly recommended to use a separate vid card and disable the onboard video while testing memory. As the onboard video always uses a portion of system memory, it's impossible to test 100% of the memory while it's active.


2. Under the "Cell_Menu", make the following changes:
l - Cool N Quiet -> Disabled
m - Voltage Control Function -> CPU Frequency Configuration -> FID Change -> Manual
n - Voltage Control Function -> CPU Frequency Configuration -> Processor Frequency Multiplier -> Set this value as default - 3. On a Venice 3200+ with a default 10x multiplier you would set this at 7.
o - Voltage Control Function -> Adjust DDR Voltage(V) -> As per spec for your RAM
p - Spread Spectrum -> CPU Spread Spectrum -> Disabled
q - Spread Spectrum -> PCIE Spread Spectrum -> Disabled
r - Spread Spectrum -> SATA Spread Spectrum -> Disabled

Ok, now you're ready to get started. Make sure you've set options to boot from CD or floppy as appropriate. Insert your copy of Memtest86+. Save your settings in BIOS and reboot. After posting, Memtest86+ will load automatically and start running. If by chance your system does not post, hold the insert key, reboot, and enter BIOS. Then go back to step 2o and raise VDimm incrememtally until your system does post. The k8NGM2-FID is capable of raising Vdimm up to 3.1. While nice, it is not extreme by any measures so don't worry about frying your RAM. You really need in excess of 3.4v or so to pose a major health risk to your memory.

Now back to Memtest. Let Memtest run through one complete pass. If no errors are detected, go back to step 1k and raise your LDT by 5mhz. Or if your memory is rated at better than DDR400 speeds, raise the LDT accordingly. Run Memtest again for one complete pass and go back and raise your LDT if no errors are deteced. If Memtest detects some errors, you have the option of raising VDimm in Step 2o or relaxing your timings in steps 1b->1e in order to push your RAM a little further. Whatever you do, I highly recommend you test to at least 5mhz PAST the maximum speed at which you intend to run your memory. If you are planning on raising the LDT to 250mhz and using a 166mhz divider, then you'll need to test your memory to at least 210mhz.

Once you think you've determined the maximum stable speed and configuration for your RAM, then it's time to go back to Memtest. This time, you need to let Memtest run for 32 complete passes minimum. Why 32 passes?

Test 4 [Moving inv, 32 bit pat, cached]

This is a variation of the moving inversions algorithm that shifts the data pattern left one bit for each successive address. The starting bit position is shifted left for each pass. To use all possible data patterns 32 passes are required. This test is effective in detecting data sensitive errors in "wide" memory chips.

If Memtest completes 32 passes without detecting any errors, then congratulations! Your memory has tested completely error free and you can move on to testing other components without worry of possible memory problems. :) However, if any errors are detected, you'll have to back down the LDT, raise Vdimm, or relax timings and test again in order to find the stable limit of your memory.


Edit - The above was written assuming you are using DDR400 memory or better and your system is capable of booting this memory at 200mhz. In this case, the LDT mhz = RAM mhz and no further consideration are required. If your memory will only boot at DDR333 or lower, then LDT mhz != RAM mhz. If you don't know how to calculate the speed of your memory based off your CPU frequency and memclock, then boot into Windows and check with an app such as CPU-Z.


I just got my new system with this board built. It is running w/ Athlon 64 x2 3800+ & 2 x 1GB G.Skill PC3200 ram installed in DIMM1 & DIMM2.

I tried following the above procedure, step by step, by the middle of the 3rd test w/ exception of step 2m & 2n (not an option on BIOS v3.2).... I have easily over 200+ errors by the middle of the 3rd test and well above 1000+ errors around test #6. What am I doing wrong...?
 

douayang

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Originally posted by: ddm1969
First I?d like to thank renethx and all contributors to this thread for making this do-able for a noob like me.
I?m compelled to make a short compilation of information posted w/in this thread that may be of help to other noobs (as it helped me). Sometimes it?s difficult to find or remember info when it?s buried in 23 pages of posts.
  1. To run 2 memory DIMMs in dual channel, use slot #1 (green) and slot #2 (purple). See also K8NGM2 manual p. 2-7. Placing the DIMMs in slots of the same color will result in single channel thus dropping your DRAM Frequency to ~166 MHz. Any attempts to use renethx overclocking recipes with the DIMMs in single channel may cause your system to fail to POST (as it did for me).
  2. On the topic of ?failure to POST??the Clear CMOS Button is your friend. See also K8NGM2 manual p. 2-24.
  3. When following the overclocking recipe instructions, it is possible for your FSB to get stuck at a frequency (mine stuck at 242 as I was incrementally increasing it per the recipe). As noted by HungryJOe, powering down your machine for 5 minutes may resolve the issue and allow you to proceed on to 244 and above (as it did for me and JOe).
Thanks again to all.

Experts, please chime in & help....
I just got my board & fairly confused about this Dual Channel memory setup. I've been trying to determine lately when my 2 x 1GB G.Skill PC3200 only shows up as running @ 333Mhz (They were installed in DIMM1 & 3). I got worried & called Newegg, which referred me to G.Skill tech support. Long story short, they told me that:

Some of the motherboard can not take 2 DIMM slot of double sided ram. They will auto down to DDR333 for better compatible between motherboard and ram. The ram you purchased will be no problem to run at DDR400, but meanwhile your motherboard can not handle it. That is due the design of motherboard and only appears on AMD platform mostly.
Thank you
GSKILL USA REP

I got a little disappointed... why purchase higher speed ram when you can't even use it....
I started reading up on MSI website, it states that dual sided memory should be installed in DIMM 1 & DIMM 2?? I did do this & now my machine boots @ 400Mhz. So, I contact G.Skill again to see if this was right. This is what they said:

If you use DIMM1 and DIMM2, the ram will run as single channel instead of dual channel. You will experience much slower in performance wise. DIMM1 is channel A and DIMM2 is channel B. Two channels are complete different channel. That is why you see if both channel A installed double sided ram it will lower to DDR333 due to motherboard design.

Thank you
GSKILL USA REP


So... Am I doing this right? Are we supposed to install these memory in DIMM 1 & 2 or in DIMM 1 & 3 for dual channel setup??

Thanks,
Doua



 

RjG

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Originally posted by: douayang
...I tried following the above procedure, step by step, by the middle of the 3rd test w/ exception of step 2m & 2n (not an option on BIOS v3.2).... I have easily over 200+ errors by the middle of the 3rd test and well above 1000+ errors around test #6. What am I doing wrong...?

The VERY FIRST thing you have to do is disable USB legacy support for that version of BIOS. There is quite a bit of info in this thread about that already. Run memtest with a PS2 keyboard plugged in, nothing else. If you can load optimized defaults in your BIOS and run memtest successfully with no USB devices plugged in, then you can start overclocking.

The first huge post by Renethx has pretty much everything you need to know to start overclocking from there.
 

douayang

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Originally posted by: RjG
Originally posted by: douayang
...I tried following the above procedure, step by step, by the middle of the 3rd test w/ exception of step 2m & 2n (not an option on BIOS v3.2).... I have easily over 200+ errors by the middle of the 3rd test and well above 1000+ errors around test #6. What am I doing wrong...?

The VERY FIRST thing you have to do is disable USB legacy support for that version of BIOS. There is quite a bit of info in this thread about that already. Run memtest with a PS2 keyboard plugged in, nothing else. If you can load optimized defaults in your BIOS and run memtest successfully with no USB devices plugged in, then you can start overclocking.

The first huge post by Renethx has pretty much everything you need to know to start overclocking from there.


I've heard some tidbits on the USB (Advanced chipstet in Bios??) being the culprit, but this thread has gotten so incredibly long, it's hard to locate it. I don't even know what page "Renethx" post you mention is on... I have a cordless/wireless keyboard attach via USB... is that bad..?


 

tempoct

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Any idea on this? I change timing to 2T instead of 1T and Memtest runs OK (for 6 hrs now).

???

Originally posted by: tempoct
Hi,
I'm trying to overclock on this board by following the first thread guide but run into several weird problems, esp with Memtest86+ v1.65. It always fail at 5:50 mins (test #5). It is not just failed memory but the system hang and screen is garbage when using onboard graphic. When I use the GeForce 6600, it give me "unoxpectedwInterruwt - handling" error at the same time every run and the system hang. Disabled the onboard graphic didn't help but delay the fail to 6:20 mins. Here's my config;

Bios v3.20
Athlon 64 Venice 3200+ E6
Corsair XMS DDR400 512x2 (was running 4x512 together with Corsair ValueRAM before but I have removed the ValueRAM. Also, the ValueRAM doesn't boot at this setup).
* Memclock Mode [Limit]
o Memclock Value [166 MHz]
* User Config Mode [Manual]
o CMD-ADDR Timing Mode [1T]
* CPU to NB Frequency [1000 MHz]
* NB to SB Frequency [1000 MHz]
* CPU to NB Linkwidth [16 down, 16 up]
* CPU-LDT Frequency, MHz [210]

I upgrade my mobo from Jetway which I usually clock my mem @ 220 MHz (4x512) and the CPU usually runs stable at 2.2GHz. I also have the memtest USB legacy problem and I have disabled the option. Memtest were giving error at stock speed when the USB legacy is enabled.

Any thought?

 

RjG

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Originally posted by: douayang
I've heard some tidbits on the USB (Advanced chipstet in Bios??) being the culprit, but this thread has gotten so incredibly long, it's hard to locate it. I don't even know what page "Renethx" post you mention is on... I have a cordless/wireless keyboard attach via USB... is that bad..?
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You might be one of the lucky ones where the USB LEGACY option likes your keyboard.
Lots of people aren't so lucky, and you are having errors already, so disabling it takes that "possible" problem out of the equation. If you have no errors running default settings and PS2 keyboard/mouse (legacy OFF), then you can plug them back in and see what happens.
 

RjG

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FYI, and to help anyone new joining this thread, the POST screen lies a bit
if you stray from the "default" settings. The RAM freq and CPU freq displayed may not
reflect what they really are running at anymore.

For example, the POST screen may say ram is 333, but in reality it may be 410mhz.

CPUZ will tell you what freq the ram is really running at, whether it is running dual channel,
and what your processor is actually clocked at.

And yup, this really had me wondering at the beginning too !
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

And the first thing anyone should read is POST #1, which is
"The first huge post by Renethx". It's like a FAQ and he keeps it updated.
(Thanks Renethx)

There are very few issues with this board.
Memtest / usb "legacy" mode is one (easily worked around)
and some new super quiet / fanless power supplies compatability
(which applies to lots of new boards, not just K8NGM2-FID)

As a rule, I'd say we are pleased as can be with the K8NGM2-FID. I know I sure am :)
 

SDPlissken

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@renethx I have settle on the MSI K8NGM2-FID nForce 430/GeForce 6150. it would seem that you where right that these boards offer those on a budget more bang for$$$.