The *Official* MSI K8NGM2-FID GeForce 6150 Motherboard Thread

[renethx]

aeroguy,

I am waiting for his reply about version number.

Go to Control Panel > Display > Setting > Advanced > GeForce 6150 > TV Setting > Device Adjustment > Screen positioning. Click the + button to enlarge Desktop in the TV screen.

 

[Clive]

Has anyone installed Vista on this motherboard?

I tried and when installing off the DVD, the screen goes blank right after the loading screen.

Vista has fast standby recovery and it supports ATI's HDTV Wonder and Theater 550

This is the Feb. CTP Build 5308

 

[aeroguy]

Originally posted by: renethx
aeroguy,

I am waiting for his reply about version number.

Go to Control Panel > Display > Setting > Advanced > GeForce 6150 > TV Setting > Device Adjustment > Screen positioning. Click the + button to enlarge Desktop in the TV screen.

THANK YOU!!! How could I have missed that? I saw the up and down, but totally overlooked the plus/minus.

 

[brad42]

Originally posted by: aeroguy
I have a problem with my coponent out... outputs fine as windows is starting up, but only outputs shades of blue once it's up and running.

I believe what you are seeing is NTSC (normal composite video) being sent to your HDTV instead of component video. On my hdtv is get shades of blue and a width compressed screen when this happens. You need to get to the Nvidia menu...
(DisplayProperties>Advanced->GeForce6150
select "NviewDeviceSettings"
press "TV"
press "TVDeviceSettings"
select "SelectTVFormat"
then choose 480p or 1080i instead of M/NTSC

My headache is that I have to do this after each reset...

 

[aeroguy]

Originally posted by: brad42

Originally posted by: aeroguy
I have a problem with my coponent out... outputs fine as windows is starting up, but only outputs shades of blue once it's up and running.

I believe what you are seeing is NTSC (normal composite video) being sent to your HDTV instead of component video. On my hdtv is get shades of blue and a width compressed screen when this happens. You need to get to the Nvidia menu...
(DisplayProperties>Advanced->GeForce6150
select "NviewDeviceSettings"
press "TV"
press "TVDeviceSettings"
select "SelectTVFormat"
then choose 480p or 1080i instead of M/NTSC

My headache is that I have to do this after each reset...

I don't have an HDTV, just a plain old 27" SD tube TV. That sucks you have to chage it each time after a reset though.

 

[notareal]

Originally posted by: renethx
I have contacted MSI for more details because this function is not documented. I should get an answer in a couple of days.

Hope you get some verification. MSI support do not impress me much now. As I did report about problem with K8NGM2-FID and NeoHE 430, I got this reply: "You could check in the manual and find the basic requirements for PSU. One is that ATX 12V power connection should be greater than 18A. According to the spec of your PSU you have provided, it doesn't meet to that." Well, nice that they do reply, but what a bull.

 

[nordicpc]

I haven't run 5308 on this board yet. I'm waiting to get a copy of the 64-bit version, since the 32-bit one has given me tons of trouble on my "Baby Thor." I did run the Dec. CTP on it, and it performed fairly well, minus no support for Aero Glass. nVidia's newest driver for 5308 may enable that.

 

[good4now]

As I have mentioned before I have followed this thread very carefully and it has been extremely helpful. Just for info, the best I could do with this setup was 2.36G @236 LDT and MCT of 2.5,3,3,6. I tried ratioing the memory down but the CPU-LDT wouldn't go above 236. Using Memtest86 I got 217MHz at 2,3,3,6. At 2.5,3,3,6 it went right to 250MHz. I intuitively believe that you get more bandwidth if Mem=LDT. Therefore, I have set this computer up at 225 LDT = MEM speed. Also I have the HT=1000. I am learning various BIOS labels mean different things and are inconsistant. I am assuming in this case HT of 1000 means just that. Somebody give me a nod. Other BIOS have HT multipliers times LDT. I have not found a tool similar to CPU-Z that meters actual HT speed. Is there one?

New topic regarding front panel header: I have the Front panel working per renethx's guide. I understand why this is the best we can do at the moment. I contacted Antec and they have nothing. Apparently they are waiting to let the new Intel specification settle out. Does anyone know where I can get compatible front panel jacks on a circuit board of any nature? I'll rewire and make it work.

I am delivering the computer to my neighbor lady who reads email. I think she's good to go for 4 years. All in all this project has been fun. However with media center and VOIP coming on strong she may have it loaded in no time. I have learned a lot and did it just because it's there. Like climbing a mountain. Keep the forums going. You put Customer Service to shame. If I could share a constructive comment I would like to encourage participants to expand beyond "what" and explore "why". Especially for all you young bucks out there, real knowledge is understanding why.

 

[renethx]

Originally posted by: aeroguy
I have a problem with my coponent out... outputs fine as windows is starting up, but only outputs shades of blue once it's up and running.

Originally posted by: renethx
Some user reported that changing video driver to a lower version number fixed the blue screen problem.

It's ForceWare v81.86. He is using BIOS v3.13.

 

[cupajava]

Originally posted by: sjschwinn
Here are a couple other options for coax SPDIF jacks (in or out).

FrontX Panel Mount
FrontX Modular Mount (fits into their modular case - pretty slick)

I just ordered one of these. I assume they will work (they have the 3 pin header connector - but the GND wire needs to be moved).

sjshwinn, let me know how this works out. If it does, I will order from these guys as well.

 

[brad42]

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I don't have an HDTV, just a plain old 27" SD tube TV. That sucks you have to chage it each time after a reset though.
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I still bet it's the same problem. The MSI bracket can be used to either send composite video (plain video as comes out of a vcr) over the top RCA plug, or can send component video across all three RCA jacks (Y-Pb-Pr encoded). If you hook up your tv for component video and the 6150 is set up for composite video you get an weak blue picture. For component video a standard DVD Players output 480i, Progressive scan dvd players output 480p. Most TVs that have component video inputs support both of these. HDTVs will also support 1080i and 720p which have higher resolution. I'd suggest trying the 480i/480p settings with your TV. I initially brought up my system with a VGA monitor and experimented with the TV and TvFormat settings. Good Luck...

 

[aeroguy]

Originally posted by: brad42

Originally posted by: aeroguy
I have a problem with my coponent out... outputs fine as windows is starting up, but only outputs shades of blue once it's up and running.

I believe what you are seeing is NTSC (normal composite video) being sent to your HDTV instead of component video. On my hdtv is get shades of blue and a width compressed screen when this happens. You need to get to the Nvidia menu...
(DisplayProperties>Advanced->GeForce6150
select "NviewDeviceSettings"
press "TV"
press "TVDeviceSettings"
select "SelectTVFormat"
then choose 480p or 1080i instead of M/NTSC

My headache is that I have to do this after each reset...

brad42, I don't have the same options as you listed above, however, I can go to:
DisplayProperties>Settings>Advanced->GeForce6150
select "TV Settings" on the left pane (there is no "NviewDeviceSettings")
"Select a signal format..." is a drop down box, but my only options are NTSC from several different countries and PAL from a whole bunch of other countries. No 480i or 480p (or 720p/1080i or anything like that).

I am concerned that on the same screen, the only connector type options I'm getting are Auto-select, Composite, and S-Video. No Component... I'm going to try the driver that renethx suggested and see if that helps.

Hmm, just found this tidbit on the nvidia site (answer ID 789):
Issue: Component out options are not available
Question
Component HDTV out options are not available in the NVIDIA TV Device Settings page.
Answer
This issue is resolved with VBIOS version 5.43.02.89 or higher and is not a driver issue. Please contact your OEM or graphics card manufacturer to receive this VBIOS fix.

This sounds like my problem, but my VBIOS version is 5.51.22.33.18

Edit: Wow. More people with the same problem. They took away the component output on the new drivers? That's madness. More people here too.

 

[pctwo]

Originally posted by: nordicpc
I haven't run 5308 on this board yet. I'm waiting to get a copy of the 64-bit version, since the 32-bit one has given me tons of trouble on my "Baby Thor." I did run the Dec. CTP on it, and it performed fairly well, minus no support for Aero Glass. nVidia's newest driver for 5308 may enable that.

I just looked at nvidia's site and there's no Vista driver for the 430/410 chipset. Does Vista come with any driver for 430/10?

 

[aeroguy]

Good news renethx, ForceWare 81.86 gave me more options for signal format, 480i/p, 720p, 1080i, etc instead of only NTSC or PAL. Then "component" came up for the type of connector when I chose 480i.

The bad news is that it's different than I thought I'd be. I have a lot of overscan (1/2" all around) at 720x480. Just for fun I custom input 1024x768, but it makes me pan around the screen (and still has a lot of overscan) instead of shrinking down. 640x480 looks like total crap, with enormous overscan and a black bar across the top of the screen. So basically, it's unusable. The method used to shrink and expand the picture when using S-video doesn't show up while using component, you can only nudge it up or down, so I can't get rid of the overscan.

While in Media Center it looks fine at 720x480 (except for the 1/4" black bars on the left and right sides of the screen).

 

[pctwo]

aeroguy: some reports say forceware 71.84 is good for component output. have you tried that?

 

[aeroguy]

Originally posted by: pctwo
aeroguy: some reports say forceware 71.84 is good for component output. have you tried that?

71.84 "is not compatible with my current hardware setup." a.k.a: it won't install.

Any idea how to get rid of the overscan over component output (using Forceware 81.86)? The way I did it over S-video isn't an option with component.

 

[BernardP]

Need help with Smart Fan speed control and power supply fan

So I have discovered that the power supply fan on my new system is always running at full speed, even if I have activated Smart Fan in BIOS. I can see that the CPU fan speed is controlled by Smart Fan, but not the much noisier PS fan.

My case/PS is Antec SLK 1650B (includes 350 W PS). In the Antec manual, there is this info:

"The PS is equipped with a 3-pin fan signal connector. Connect it to one of the fan connectors on your motherboard. You may monitor the speed of the rear PS fan through your motherboard BIOS"

I have found what I think must be this 3-pin signal connector. It has blue/black wiring and fits on the SYSFAN 1 connector on the MB.

Of course, the shop where I bought the computer should have plugged everything correctly...

As I am new to this kind of hardware tinkering (sorry), I want to make sure that I am plugging the right wire on the right connector. Also, am I right to think that if I do this, Smart Fan will then also control the PS fan?

 

[renethx]

BernardP,

The 3-pin fan signal connector of SmartPower 2.0 350W is the blue/black wiring, that should be connected to SYSFAN1 if you want to monitor the speed of PSU's internal fan. SYSFAN1 is monitored in both BIOS and PC Alert in Windows. But SYSFAN1 supplies the constant voltage 12V and does not control the fan speed. Morevover the blue/black wiring from PSU transmits only rotation signal. PSU fan speed (internal or external) is controlled thermally in PSU. So you cannot control PSU fan from motherboard. On the other hand Smart Fan in BIOS controls the fan connected to CPUFAN1 (that is, change voltage) according to the CPU temperature. Even if you connect the blue/black wiring to CPUFAN1, PSU fan speed won't change.

 

[Clive]

hey nordicpc

how did you get the dec ctp Vista working on this board? Did it just install booting off the DVD?

After getting stuck on the loading screen after booting from the DVD, I tried installing Vista from XP and loading nVidia's 6150 graphics drivers for Vista build 5308, but the drivers weren't recognized. The installation stalled after rebooting.

I've given up on Vista (at least this build). It's too bad, because I was looking forward to using the improved standby mode. The standby mode in MCE 2005 is unstable after coming out of standby and hibernate just doesn't work.

Anyways, back to fine tuning MCE 2005. I have to resort to telling my parents to turn on the TV by pressing the power button on the computer.

 

[BernardP]

Thanks renethx.

I plugged the 3-pin fan signal connector. The H/W monitor in BIOS says that System fan speed is just above 1000 RPM, while the Antec manual writes that when temp is low, fan speed can be as slow as 1200 RPM. So I guess I can't complain about the fan running at full speed :disgust:

The CPU fan speed is hovering around 1450 RPM with Smart Fan set a conservative 40°. The temp doesn't seem to rise above that anyway

Overall, the SLK 1650B seems as noisy as my previous case, a five year old AOpen, but the sound is less irritating. Still I thought even a cheaper Antec case would be quieter than that.

 

[BernardP]

Originally posted by: BernardP
Overall, the SLK 1650B seems as noisy as my previous case, a five year old AOpen, but the sound is less irritating. Still I thought even a cheaper Antec case would be quieter than that.

Quoting myself again...

After a more careful examination, I have determined that it is not the PS fan that is making most of the noise, but the 120 mm case fan. I will have a look at the way it is plugged in (could it be over-volted?), and also look for info on the Antec web site. If necessary, I will ask about this in the cases/Cooling section.

I was under the impression that MSI had a case fan speed control feature similar to Asus Q-Fan. Was I mistaken?

EDIT: From the Antec SLK 1650B product page:

- unique push-pull fan function: external fan spins only when needed, for quieter operation

I now think they are referring to the external fan of the PS, not the case fan, but I have to look into this.

 

[RDeckard]

Thank you renethx for your work.

In BIOS 3.20, I set GeForce 6150 mem to 128Mo. In NVidia control panel, under XP, memory is set to 256Mo. Why ?
I'm using 81.98 drivers.

Thank you.

 

[area123]

Originally posted by: aeroguy
I have a problem with my coponent out... outputs fine as windows is starting up, but only outputs shades of blue once it's up and running.

I also posted my problem here

Did you get this issue fixed yet?

My component out does the same thing on my tv. And the text looks very bad. But the vga out on the same tv looks great. I initially thought I had a bad mb, but I am running bios v 3.00 so maybe that's it.


update: I missed your later posts about using Forceware v81.86 to fix the problem. That is probably my issue as well, I'll test it out tonight.

Did this completely resolve your video problems, did you get the overscan problem fixed?

 

[mikeaco]

Originally posted by: RDeckard
In BIOS 3.20, I set GeForce 6150 mem to 128Mo. In NVidia control panel, under XP, memory is set to 256Mo. Why ?
I'm using 81.98 drivers.

I noticed this too in BIOS V3.13 as well. I'm not sure why, though...

 

[aeroguy]

Originally posted by: area123

Originally posted by: aeroguy
I have a problem with my coponent out... outputs fine as windows is starting up, but only outputs shades of blue once it's up and running.

Did you get this issue fixed yet?

Sort of. Forceware 81.98 doesn't have the option for 480i/480p/1080i/720p etc, they must have taken it away at some point. I went to 81.86 and the option is there. I chose 480i for signal format and then "component" was the only choice for connector type. This got rid of the blue screen, but I ran into more problems... there is no adjustment for overscan/underscan using component. I figured out a work around where I saved my display adjustments (use the "save as" button) while using S-Video and then I could select those saved setting using component. Using this procedure, I tried a few different resolutions using component.

640x480 has a 3/4" black bar across the top of the screen (NOT underscan, because when I nudge the picture up, the screen goes behind the black bar). Also, this resolution has a problem with flickering/shaking. It might shake, but then if I nudge the screen position up 1 time, the shake goes away, and if I nudge it up once more it reappears. It's like it shakes up and down between two horizontal scan lines.

In 720x480 there are 1/4" black bars on the left and right sides of the screen (underscan), with a little bit of overscan on the top and bottom, but the screen looks compressed (people are too skinny).

In 800x600 and 1024x760, you have to pan around to see the whole screen.

I can't get it to display how I want using S-video either, although it is much better than component. In S-video I set the display to have 1/8" underscan on the top and bottom of the screen, and 1/8" overscan on the left and right. Any more overscan and I can't use Windows outside of Media Center, so I'm living with this for now. I'm very frustrated, but think I am going to have to live with this until I get a High Def display (running a 27" tube TV now).

Sorry for the long post, but I know other people are having problems with this too since I'm getting PMs about it. I love this board, but my experience with component out has not been very good.