The Official iPhone 5 Thread (Liveblog links inside!)

[grkM3]

well to think about it, all these current smartphone innovations were already existent in 2007, but not in touchscreen form.

My 2007 Nokia N82 had xenon flash, FM radio, wifi, tethering capabilities, IM, full mobile browsing, flash, social networking apps, turn by turn navigation, front facing camera, video call capabilities...

So in the past 4-5 years we've focused on improving UI and making it a touchscreen friendly device. I know that when the first iPhone came out I mocked it because it lacked the features of my N82. Over the past 5 years they've brought in changes slowly to match my phone.

The next big thing is a slow change. It'll be dictated by tech trends, which point to social networking, gamification, etc. as well as entertainment like home media, media server, PMP, etc. From now on there will still be innovation but expect it to move at a slower pace.

you pretty much nailed it as we have pretty much peaked at adding things on the android side.

apple can still add alot like dlna support and open it up to devices other than apple made things.

like when I turned on near by devices on my gs3,it picked up 2 dlna laptops an onkyo audio video reciever,and 2 plasma tvs that were in the house and sitting on the couch with my tv remote and my cell in my pocket I was able to browse my phone and blast pictures and movies to our big screen tv.

I can see apple smashing it big with adding dlna on there 5s and that would be huge for them.

 

[Eug]

Why would Apple add DLNA support or open up their system? That makes no sense whatsoever in the context of their ecosystem.

It's not as if consumers are clamouring for DLNA support for Apple products anyway.

 

[khha4113]

This says all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdIWKytq_q4#

 

[ponyo]

you pretty much nailed it as we have pretty much peaked at adding things on the android side.

apple can still add alot like dlna support and open it up to devices other than apple made things.

like when I turned on near by devices on my gs3,it picked up 2 dlna laptops an onkyo audio video reciever,and 2 plasma tvs that were in the house and sitting on the couch with my tv remote and my cell in my pocket I was able to browse my phone and blast pictures and movies to our big screen tv.

I can see apple smashing it big with adding dlna on there 5s and that would be huge for them.

DLNA sucks compared to Apple Airplay. Apple has no need for DLNA. You can't stream HD videos reliably without constant buffering on DLNA. I can with Airplay.

 

[tynopik]

And you thought people dissected Apple announcements too closely

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5562769/

They had previous images showing United instead of American. I bet they shopped American's logo in but forgot about the alliance.

AA954 goes EZE-JFK. UA954 goes SFO-LHR, definitely a photoshop job.

Some one sent me the original presentation and it was UA 954 to LHR, but even that was messed up as it was not what a UA mobile pass looks like and it shows 1c in boarding group 4, Intl F would never be group 4!!

There's even "Prem" showing which also points to United

 

[s44]

I'm convinced that the only reason they are not more aggressive at this point is that they risk alienating the vast majority of their consumers who don't care as much about specs and just want something that's reliable, tried and true, something they're just used to.

Sure, but the need to protect legacy users is what kept Microsoft and Intel from innovating in the mobile space for close to forever (and possibly too long).

I think the next big thing is interface. Glass, folding screens, whatever.

 

[grkM3]

DLNA sucks compared to Apple Airplay. Apple has no need for DLNA. You can't stream HD videos reliably without constant buffering on DLNA. I can with Airplay.

dlna is an open standard that a lot of devices use,I didnt have to buy anything and my cell just found devices that were in our home and connected to them.

not trying to brag but I have a panny vt50 plasma(by far one of the best tvs in the world right now)and I just streamed HD video to it just wonderfully with my dlna certified device.

what you are saying is that itunes should only work on macs and not on a pc and what is wrong with sharing pictures and videos over dlna?other than apple not supporting it there is no reason to hate on it.

it is the standard for all high end audio gear also and most avr recievers support it now.

Now I know why the gs3 got 2gb of ram also as I can see using dlna for video would hog the phone up

 

[Red Storm]

I think the next big thing is interface. Glass, folding screens, whatever.

I think the next big innovation will be eliminating the one crutch that has plagued cellphones since their inception: Having to hold the darn thing. Project Glass is a step in that direction, but we've got a ways to go.

 

[ponyo]

dlna is an open standard that a lot of devices use,I didnt have to buy anything and my cell just found devices that were in our home and connected to them.

not trying to brag but I have a panny vt50 plasma(by far one of the best tvs in the world right now)and I just streamed HD video to it just wonderfully with my dlna certified device.

what you are saying is that itunes should only work on macs and not on a pc and what is wrong with sharing pictures and videos over dlna?other than apple not supporting it there is no reason to hate on it.

it is the standard for all high end audio gear also and most avr recievers support it now.

Now I know why the gs3 got 2gb of ram also as I can see using dlna for video would hog the phone up

If DLNA would work reliably, I would claim it's superior and better than Airplay. But I've used both with multiple devices and Airplay just works and works darn well. DLNA does not. I much prefer open standard but it the product or feature doesn't work, then it sucks. DLNA sucks. You can tell me it's the greatest thing ever but I've tried and it sucks.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

dlna is an open standard that a lot of devices use,I didnt have to buy anything and my cell just found devices that were in our home and connected to them.

not trying to brag but I have a panny vt50 plasma(by far one of the best tvs in the world right now)and I just streamed HD video to it just wonderfully with my dlna certified device.

what you are saying is that itunes should only work on macs and not on a pc and what is wrong with sharing pictures and videos over dlna?other than apple not supporting it there is no reason to hate on it.

it is the standard for all high end audio gear also and most avr recievers support it now.

Now I know why the gs3 got 2gb of ram also as I can see using dlna for video would hog the phone up

He hates it because it sucks. Its unstable and dodgy. Its sounds great in theory but it doesnt work like that in reality

You dont need to support Apple to hate DLNA. Miracast is a far better alternative that will be supported soon hopefully

 

[Eug]

I gave up on DLNA a long time ago. I could never get the servers to work consistently with my DLNA-compatible Sony Blu-ray players, which is ironic considering Sony was the big push behind DLNA.

However, I don't use Airplay either. And for Android, I just use SMB with my NAS.

It should be reiterated that Airplay is a direct competitor to DLNA. Basically Apple said screw you to the DLNAlliance and did their own thing.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

dlna is an open standard that a lot of devices use,I didnt have to buy anything and my cell just found devices that were in our home and connected to them.

not trying to brag but I have a panny vt50 plasma(by far one of the best tvs in the world right now)and I just streamed HD video to it just wonderfully with my dlna certified device.

what you are saying is that itunes should only work on macs and not on a pc and what is wrong with sharing pictures and videos over dlna?other than apple not supporting it there is no reason to hate on it.

it is the standard for all high end audio gear also and most avr recievers support it now.

Now I know why the gs3 got 2gb of ram also as I can see using dlna for video would hog the phone up

Watch out. big shot with a vt50 and an onkyo avr coming through.

 

[grkM3]

I gave up on DLNA a long time ago. I could never get the servers to work consistently with my DLNA-compatible Sony Blu-ray players, which is ironic considering Sony was the big push behind DLNA.

However, I don't use Airplay either. And for Android, I just use SMB with my NAS.

It should be reiterated that Airplay is a direct competitor to DLNA. Basically Apple said screw you to the DLNAlliance and did their own thing.

Dlna is working great on the gs3.I'll make a video later.I am watching mythbusters on my TV threw my celly and typing this and surfing the web and its working great.

HD and fast and smooth with no issues!

I don't get why such hate when all I said is apple could bring that to the table with a next iPhone.

I don't have anything that uses airplay and would care if my gear only supported airplay and not dlna

I guess because apple dosnt have it it must suck and is junk compared to airplay.Typical apple user that thinks only apple has working version and everything else is junk.

android is adding something new as its trying to make a deal with hidef audio with dolby to bring that to our cells soon.

but next thing you will say is itunes is the best and there songs are better because its from apple

 

[Aikouka]

AirPlay is being supported on more and more devices. My Denon AVR has audio-only AirPlay support, and XBMC has AirPlay support. With that combination and my AppleTV, I can AirPlay to any of my entertainment centers and get the data that I want (note: the ATV2 runs XBMC, and both aspects of it support AirPlay).

My printer also supports AirPrint. :awe:

 

[MrX8503]

Dlna is working great on the gs3.I'll make a video later.I am watching mythbusters on my TV threw my celly and typing this and surfing the web and its working great.

HD and fast and smooth with no issues!

I don't get why such hate when all I said is apple could bring that to the table with a next iPhone.

I don't have anything that uses airplay and would care if my gear only supported airplay and not dlna

I guess because apple dosnt have it it must suck and is junk compared to airplay.Typical apple user that thinks only apple has working version and everything else is junk.

android is adding something new as its trying to make a deal with hidef audio with dolby to bring that to our cells soon.

but next thing you will say is itunes is the best and there songs are better because its from apple

Airplay is easier to use for the avg person compared to DLNA. Also DLNA isn't reliable, you can't expect the avg person to set that up.

 

[WelshBloke]

Airplay is easier to use for the avg person compared to DLNA. Also DLNA isn't reliable, you can't expect the avg person to set that up.

Is it a lot more complicated?

Ive not got much DLNA enabled stuff but it seems pretty simple when I use it.

 

[purbeast0]

It's silly to blame this strictly on the 3rd parties- the 3rd party isn't in the know for every possible future update Apple is going to release. They can't manufacture things with a crystal ball. Apple CAN however do the reverse- make sure software and firmware changes don't break compatibility with existing accessories.

and you are silly as shit to think that apple should be concerned AT ALL with 3rd party accessories being compatible with their future OS updates.

 

[TheStu]

Is it a lot more complicated?

Ive not got much DLNA enabled stuff but it seems pretty simple when I use it.

I push a button on my phone or iPad, and it is sent to my AppleTV, boom. I have no idea how DLNA is to use, but that is the ease of use bar.

 

[cheezy321]

Is it a lot more complicated?

Ive not got much DLNA enabled stuff but it seems pretty simple when I use it.

i tried setting up DNLA stuff between my NAS and a media PC. Also tried it with XMBC on an ATV2. It was not easy to set up and never worked right.

Airplay is dead simple. There is absolutely nothing you need to do for it to work.

That being said, DNLA can be used for more things than Airplay can. It has more features but if you cant get it to work properly what use is that?

 

[grkM3]

i tried setting up DNLA stuff between my NAS and a media PC. Also tried it with XMBC on an ATV2. It was not easy to set up and never worked right.

Airplay is dead simple. There is absolutely nothing you need to do for it to work.

That being said, DNLA can be used for more things than Airplay can. It has more features but if you cant get it to work properly what use is that?

well here is all I did.

turn on wifi,enable nearby devices

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

Its not the setup thats complicated. Its that there are codec issues between devices, some work great, others wont work at all. Its hit or miss

Qualcomm and Tegra both support Miracast wich is a wireless display technology by Wifi-Alliance. I would rather see it being developed and supported

 

[Eug]

Its not the setup thats complicated. Its that there are codec issues between devices, some work great, others wont work at all. Its hit or miss

Bingo. It should be dead simple. And it looks like it is when you set it up. But certain combinations of software and hardware just don't work consistently with each other. If you have a combination that works, then great. But it's so hit-and-miss that if you swap out a single component, it may no longer work.

IOW, that Panasonic TV may work fine, but if you swap it for a Sony TV, or if you change the source device, all of a sudden the DLNA may stop working. It's really, really irritating.

So like I said, I gave up on DLNA a long time ago. It's just not ready for prime time. In fact, I wonder if it will ever be. It seems the Alliance just can't get its shiitake mushrooms together.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

It's silly to blame this strictly on the 3rd parties- the 3rd party isn't in the know for every possible future update Apple is going to release. They can't manufacture things with a crystal ball. Apple CAN however do the reverse- make sure software and firmware changes don't break compatibility with existing accessories.

My hope is simply that they've adopted a new standard with this new connector (and of course the software/firmware involved) that will remain standard for the life of the connector-type. (In other words, everything people buy now should stay compatible with the next gen of iPods beyond the current, the iPhone 6, 7, 8... whatever.) That's not too much to ask, and it should have been a primary detail that was considered when moving to a new connector type.

One of Apple's big selling points is its ecosystem- things are generally said to 'just work' so long as you stick with it. This shouldn't just include Apple's own branded accessories and leave 3rd party accessories to twist in the wind. More effort should be put in to assure compatibility doesn't break, and yes on Apple's part more than the 3rd parties because 3rd parties can't have a crystal ball into all possible forward-compatibility, but Apple does have the ability to assure greater backward-compatibility with existing devices.

Are you kidding me? 3rd party manufacturers are not responsible? Apple needs to go and make sure their iPods and iPhones are compatible with every single accessory out there? What if I decide to make a new dock? What about those new battery packs? Startups that add random docks to your iPhone to make it a store scanner so an employee can use? Apple is responsible to track everyone down to figure out if it's all compatible? What about cheapass Chinese OEMs ? When you walk the streets of TAiwan of Hong Kong, there's a billion accessories for iDevices. Probably made cheap in China. It's now Apple's fault that cheap crap doesn't work with an iOS update?

Apple's responsible if its own docks.

Furthermore IF an iOS update does kill compatibility who's fault is it? Apple's not responsible for making sure the docks work. You could argue a software update on the dock manufacturer's side could fix things.

Let's look at it this way. When Google released 4.0 or 4.1 I can guarantee you not 100% of apps transitioned smoothly. Some broke. Is it Google's fault now? Or could it be app makers should go in and update their apps for the new OS (which most have done)?

It's like blaming Google because your custom kernel you flash no longer works now that 4.1 is out.

It's not Apple's responsibility to be forward compatible. If you bought an SGS1 dock in 2010, I wouldn't be surprised if it didnt work with your SGS2 or SGS3. Who do you blame? Samsung? If you buy an iPhone dock today, it's not a "Dock to work with iPhone 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10." It will be compatible with the 4S and possibly 5.

 

[Eug]

Apple has a made-for-iPod program and it seems those accessories do play well for the most part with Apple OS updates. Apple has an incentive to do that, because they pay Apple licencing fees.

For non-Apple-approved 3rd party accessories though, you're on your own.

And of course, if you're going from a 30 pin dock to an 8 pin dock, all bets are off.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

And plus what do you expect when you buy a line in dock that requires data connectivity between two devices. It's going to work for today, but you never know down the road.

You could say the same for Android devices if docks were that ubiquitous. Or iOS users can join Android users in sticking to the 3.5mm aux cables.