The Official iPhone 5 Thread (Liveblog links inside!)

[grkM3]

I don't think it's really worth discussing stuff like that who are that ill informed. It will be interesting to see how well the A15 benchmarks, though I suspect that the clock speed will be around ~1Ghz or so for power savings. It's likely Android designs next year from Samsung will kick that up to 1.5-1.7Ghz.

Its just amazing how some are so one way biased that they even claim the s4 is a fake CPU when its the fastest CPU out there right now and the pro version will have 2 more cores.

The s4 pro will be twice if not 3 times as fast as the iPhone 5 since they will likely block the s4pro to 1.7ghz verses a 1ghz dual core a15 from apple.

Is the tegra 3 and 4 fake CPUs also?

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

Wait the qualcom s4 is a fake CPU? You guys are hilarious.I just scored 5900 on my unrooted gs3 and running stock clocks.

I will bet my gs3 that the iPhone 5 CPU won't match the performance of a s4 soc.

At 1.5ghz I'm beating a quad core a9 at 1.7ghz

I laughed literally out loud when I read a s4 is a fake a15.when it beating the hell out of quad core real a9s

I assume the person meant that its not based on ARMs own Cortex A15 but a custom design by Qualcomm.

iPhone 5 probably wont match it because its going to be clocked low so the higher clock of an S4 will beat it or even things out. But clock for clock S4 is slower than A15

 

[Chocu1a]

Not sure this is posted yet, but ...yeah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdIWKytq_q4

 

[dguy6789]

Not sure this is posted yet, but ...yeah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdIWKytq_q4

bahahahhah

 

[Chiropteran]

Nice video.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I'll clarify the connector issue he was talking about:
Until the iPhone 3G, many iDevice chargers used some pins that are meant for firewire voltage. The 3G was the first 30-pin iDevice that didn't support charging over those pins. Since then, none of the newer iDevices support those old chargers.

It wasn't a big deal because most chargers at that point used the 5v pins. However, I knew multiple people that experienced charging compatibility issues.

Right. I'm aware of this firewire switchover where my newer device won't charge on some legacy iPod mini charger. But that's 1 instance. This was 2008, and it's not as dramatic as Zaap is making it sound like omg an os update and my connector won't work.

What I'm saying is with 3rd party adapters, it's a 2 way communication. Sure the OS updated, but does it mean the OS is purely at fault? I don't know if Apple has official methods of communication with its devices and specs that it releases for accessory makers kinda like software developers do with APIs. What you talked about with the firewire pin change was a universal change. Other changes seem to vary dock to dock. Of course it's easy to spend all your time blaming Apple or blaming the dock manufacturer, but I think that's a risk you take when you buy a 3rd party dock. I'd be more irritated if Apple's own docks were failing after an OS update.

 

[WelshBloke]

Not sure this is posted yet, but ...yeah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdIWKytq_q4

Didn't some tech blog do the same thing with the iPad2 and iPad3?

With the same results.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I see a lot of complaining about lack of innovation. I'm guilty of it myself. But now I'm trying to figure out just what it is that I expect to see. At this point in seems like everything is just an incremental upgrade, a speed increase here, capacity there, better looking screens, etc. Where is the space for innovation? Software? When it comes down to it we're basically using handheld computers that happen to also be phones, right? When is the last time your desktop/laptop had a truly revolutionary innovation? What about your TV?

Sometimes I think our expectations are way too high in the mobile phone space. I'm starting to realize mine are.

 

[rcpratt]

I see a lot of complaining about lack of innovation. I'm guilty of it myself. But now I'm trying to figure out just what it is that I expect to see. At this point in seems like everything is just an incremental upgrade, a speed increase here, capacity there, better looking screens, etc. Where is the space for innovation? Software? When it comes down to it we're basically using handheld computers that happen to also be phones, right? When is the last time your desktop/laptop had a truly revolutionary innovation? What about your TV?

Sometimes I think our expectations are way too high in the mobile phone space. I'm starting to realize mine are.

Well, if it was obvious what the next big innovation was, innovating would be easy

Obviously, no tech company can have earth-shattering innovations every year. We haven't had any (from any mobile company) in several years.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Not sure this is posted yet, but ...yeah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdIWKytq_q4

those guys look like idiots. maybe they should try somewhere with smarter people? all my iFans friends certainly will not make this mistake. they do cream in their pants over something as stupid as the earbuds, but they certainly aren't flat out dumb when it comes to seeing a new device. I may think my friends are a bit naive for getting so excited about earbuds or iOS maps, but I think they can figure out a 4S vs 5 pretty easily

furthermore it's interesting to note how many of my friends came out yesterday and said "that's what I worked on." And these are all former apple employees or interns.

 

[WelshBloke]

I see a lot of complaining about lack of innovation. I'm guilty of it myself. But now I'm trying to figure out just what it is that I expect to see. At this point in seems like everything is just an incremental upgrade, a speed increase here, capacity there, better looking screens, etc. Where is the space for innovation? Software? When it comes down to it we're basically using handheld computers that happen to also be phones, right? When is the last time your desktop/laptop had a truly revolutionary innovation? What about your TV?

Sometimes I think our expectations are way too high in the mobile phone space. I'm starting to realize mine are.

Your probably right.

I think its that the form factor hasn't really changed much for a few years and the home screen seems the same as one 5 years ago apart from some wallpaper and an extra row of buttons.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Well, if it was obvious what the next big innovation was, innovating would be easy

Obviously, no tech company can have earth-shattering innovations every year. We haven't had any (from any mobile company) in several years.

I understand that as well but think quite a few seem to forget that fact, at least when it comes to Apple phones. It is an easier target though when you only release once a year and changes are perceived as truly minor incremental upgrades. We get to see Android phones progress throughout the year and that does help ease some of the pressure on them I think.

 

[grkM3]

those guys look like idiots. maybe they should try somewhere with smarter people? all my iFans friends certainly will not make this mistake. they do cream in their pants over something as stupid as the earbuds, but they certainly aren't flat out dumb when it comes to seeing a new device. I may think my friends are a bit naive for getting so excited about earbuds or iOS maps, but I think they can figure out a 4S vs 5 pretty easily

furthermore it's interesting to note how many of my friends came out yesterday and said "that's what I worked on." And these are all former apple employees or interns.

no that video sums it up as to what Iv seen with my friends with the iphone 4s

one of them even got the 64gb one from the 32 using an upgrade lol

 

[buckshot24]

Didn't some tech blog do the same thing with the iPad2 and iPad3?

With the same results.

Yeah, its understandable if you have never seen an ipad 3 though. Now I can spot a low rez screen a mile a way.

 

[buckshot24]

those guys look like idiots. maybe they should try somewhere with smarter people? all my iFans friends certainly will not make this mistake. they do cream in their pants over something as stupid as the earbuds, but they certainly aren't flat out dumb when it comes to seeing a new device. I may think my friends are a bit naive for getting so excited about earbuds or iOS maps, but I think they can figure out a 4S vs 5 pretty easily

They probably did have some people saying that it wasn't the new iphone but we don't get to see them, they aren't funny.

 

[jpeyton]

Not sure this is posted yet, but ...yeah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdIWKytq_q4

:biggrin:

 

[Gunslinger08]

Any idea what time the pre-order starts tomorrow? Does Apple's pre-order integrate with AT&T so that I get the $199 upgrade price for a new 2 year contract? How does activation work when I order from Apple?

 

[Zaap]

Right. I'm aware of this firewire switchover where my newer device won't charge on some legacy iPod mini charger. But that's 1 instance. This was 2008, and it's not as dramatic as Zaap is making it sound like omg an os update and my connector won't work.

There are dozens of threads at Apple's support site about just this- an OS update and suddenly an accessory that used to work just fine won't work. I've witnessed it myself dozens of times, and many times with things that I own. Add to this, just because a device doesn't list all possible models/gens it will work with, doesn't mean it will work with everything. I have a so-called 'universal' dual charging stand that works with every iDevice we have, except for some inexplicable reason it won't work with a 4G iPod Touch. (Though it works with an iPhone 4). This type of almost random incompatibility should be eliminated.

It's silly to blame this strictly on the 3rd parties- the 3rd party isn't in the know for every possible future update Apple is going to release. They can't manufacture things with a crystal ball. Apple CAN however do the reverse- make sure software and firmware changes don't break compatibility with existing accessories.

My hope is simply that they've adopted a new standard with this new connector (and of course the software/firmware involved) that will remain standard for the life of the connector-type. (In other words, everything people buy now should stay compatible with the next gen of iPods beyond the current, the iPhone 6, 7, 8... whatever.) That's not too much to ask, and it should have been a primary detail that was considered when moving to a new connector type.

What I'm saying is with 3rd party adapters, it's a 2 way communication. Sure the OS updated, but does it mean the OS is purely at fault? I don't know if Apple has official methods of communication with its devices and specs that it releases for accessory makers kinda like software developers do with APIs.

One of Apple's big selling points is its ecosystem- things are generally said to 'just work' so long as you stick with it. This shouldn't just include Apple's own branded accessories and leave 3rd party accessories to twist in the wind. More effort should be put in to assure compatibility doesn't break, and yes on Apple's part more than the 3rd parties because 3rd parties can't have a crystal ball into all possible forward-compatibility, but Apple does have the ability to assure greater backward-compatibility with existing devices.

 

[Yongsta]

Next evolution in terms of hardware will probably be with Samsung's flexible & foldable OLED's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2nG9qy6vs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qat9FeJ6qIg

 

[cheezy321]

no that video sums it up as to what Iv seen with my friends with the iphone 4s

one of them even got the 64gb one from the 32 using an upgrade lol

I bet you could get the same reactions with any phone.

The video is funny. I am sure its much easier to do with any Apple product due to their reputation as a world class company.

 

[jpeyton]

I see a lot of complaining about lack of innovation. I'm guilty of it myself. But now I'm trying to figure out just what it is that I expect to see. At this point in seems like everything is just an incremental upgrade, a speed increase here, capacity there, better looking screens, etc. Where is the space for innovation? Software? When it comes down to it we're basically using handheld computers that happen to also be phones, right? When is the last time your desktop/laptop had a truly revolutionary innovation? What about your TV?

Sometimes I think our expectations are way too high in the mobile phone space. I'm starting to realize mine are.

That's a dangerous mindset to have, especially for Apple's bottom line.

Apple revived their company on "the next big thing". The day their profit centers become an everyday commodity is the day their company starts to fall.

It hasn't happened yet, but Android is already taking the lion's share of new smartphone sales, which is currently Apple's #1 moneymaker. The only reason Apple's profits keep going up as their marketshare declines is because the room for growth in smartphone sales outpaces Android's growth within the sector.

 

[Zaap]

I see a lot of complaining about lack of innovation. I'm guilty of it myself. But now I'm trying to figure out just what it is that I expect to see. At this point in seems like everything is just an incremental upgrade, a speed increase here, capacity there, better looking screens, etc. Where is the space for innovation? Software? When it comes down to it we're basically using handheld computers that happen to also be phones, right? When is the last time your desktop/laptop had a truly revolutionary innovation? What about your TV?

You're right, but then I used to think the same thing years ago, and Apple would keep surprising me anyway. I remember when it was a ridiculous notion that Apple would even make a phone, because people thought "What can they do to improve on a phone???"

Now it's sort of the same feeling with TVs- but then, I'd love it if Apple would surprise me and come out with some new take on it that I and everyone else never quite thought of before. (And of course based solely on true innovation without all the broken-system patent/legal shenanigans propping any of it up).

I fully realize it's unrealistic for it to continue forever, but it's the bed Apple has made for themselves. jpeyton is exactly right- the day they become just another conglomerate making just another product line (in the eyes of consumers, not necessarily tech-minded types who tend to already tend to view them that way) then it's big trouble for Apple.

 

[Fingolfin269]

That's a dangerous mindset to have, especially for Apple's bottom line.

Apple revived their company on "the next big thing". The day their profit centers become an everyday commodity is the day their company starts to fall.

It hasn't happened yet, but Android is already taking the lion's share of new smartphone sales, which is currently Apple's #1 moneymaker. The only reason Apple's profits keep going up as their marketshare declines is because the room for growth in smartphone sales outpaces Android's growth within the sector.

Resting on your laurels is never a good thing but I don't think Android has necessarily increased market share due to amazing innovation, at least not anything recent. My opinion on this, and it could be completely wrong, is that what is hurting Apple more than anything right now is the one phone per year approach. I think they can continue to do that for the current phone but they really need to add something a bit more beastly, maybe at a 6 month offset to the current phone, and upgrade it once a year as well.

Or maybe they don't need to change anything? I'm convinced that the only reason they are not more aggressive at this point is that they risk alienating the vast majority of their consumers who don't care as much about specs and just want something that's reliable, tried and true, something they're just used to. Hell many of their people probably prefer the 3.5"-4" screen space. Surely a company like Apple has done extensive market research on their current customers to ensure whatever product they unveil will be at least sufficient to keep those customers. Sometimes being the best at what you do, and making billions while doing it, is just fine.

 

[psych2]

Didn't some tech blog do the same thing with the iPad2 and iPad3?

With the same results.

Here it is, now I'd like them to see if normal people can tell the difference between a galaxy nexus/S III and an iPhone :hmm:

http://gizmodo.com/5894094/we-people-an-ipad-2-told-them-it-was-the-new-ipad-and-they-loved-it

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

That's a dangerous mindset to have, especially for Apple's bottom line.

Apple revived their company on "the next big thing". The day their profit centers become an everyday commodity is the day their company starts to fall.

It hasn't happened yet, but Android is already taking the lion's share of new smartphone sales, which is currently Apple's #1 moneymaker. The only reason Apple's profits keep going up as their marketshare declines is because the room for growth in smartphone sales outpaces Android's growth within the sector.

well to think about it, all these current smartphone innovations were already existent in 2007, but not in touchscreen form.

My 2007 Nokia N82 had xenon flash, FM radio, wifi, tethering capabilities, IM, full mobile browsing, flash, social networking apps, turn by turn navigation, front facing camera, video call capabilities...

So in the past 4-5 years we've focused on improving UI and making it a touchscreen friendly device. I know that when the first iPhone came out I mocked it because it lacked the features of my N82. Over the past 5 years they've brought in changes slowly to match my phone.

The next big thing is a slow change. It'll be dictated by tech trends, which point to social networking, gamification, etc. as well as entertainment like home media, media server, PMP, etc. From now on there will still be innovation but expect it to move at a slower pace.