The Official ANTI-WOKE anti-lgbt conservaterrorist mob thread!

[woolfe9998]

You are right. But it does matter if we have laws that damage society - particularly children. If if you don’t care about that - future generations are determining your future as well.

Once again I will ask you politely. Why is it better for a child to live with parents who are in an acrimonious relationship than it is for them to live with divorce? For myself, I suspect the answer depends on variables like 1) how acrimonious is the marriage, 2) how often is the child exposed to the acrimony, and 3) the age of the child (older children are less traumatized by divorce than younger ones but then the younger ones are also likely more traumatized by the acrimony.)

So you have an answer?

 

[woolfe9998]

It’s not a deflection it’s a statement of fact. Also yes we ado have different ideals you seem to believe the route to human dignity is by controlling people instead of giving them the ability to live their lives without having your religious morality forced in them to constrain that freedom.


I firmly believe that you are entitled to live your faith. You are also absolutely not entitled to force those same beliefs on anyone else.

Yes 100%. Only religious conservatives think we should use the power of the state to force people to make only personal choices they approve of. Can't get an abortion. No same sex coupling, and make sure you don't say gay in class. Don't dress in drag. Oh, and make sure you don't get a divorce because an ancient text I believe in says so!

 

[kitkat22]

Can we change the wording of "protecting children" and phrase it about the "well-being of children?"

Protecting children feels like we are needing to lock children away or place them in bubble wrap. There is no feasible way to protect children from every danger, perceived or otherwise. Completely isolating children actually causes more harm. How many of us see "helicopter" parents?

Children are naturally curious. They are going to get stung by a bee, fall down the stairs, get in a fight with friends or a sibling, they will see death at some point.

Instead of looking at it as a "protecting" mentality - look at it as "well-being." Teach them what to do if they are stung by a bee. Teach them how to appropriately handle anger. Teach them about death and dying. Teach them about illness. Teach them about their bodies and how to respect their body and others. It's stupid to think this will always and only come from parents. Don't be so naive. The next best place is in school. If caring adults don't teach it, children's friends will.

So, right now Florida basically has a ban on "sex education." Kids will learn about this stuff regardless of parents. They are now going to get incorrect info because I can guarantee not all parents are teaching them.

 

[Ajay]

It’s not a deflection it’s a statement of fact. Also yes we ado have different ideals you seem to believe the route to human dignity is by controlling people instead of giving them the ability to live their lives without having your religious morality forced in them to constrain that freedom.


I firmly believe that you are entitled to live your faith. You are also absolutely not entitled to force those same beliefs on anyone else.

No, I believe that there is an objective reality. You do not. I believe that there is a natural order the that is embedded in the fabric of human beings. You do not. I believe that human beings have a physical and spiritual nature. You do not. I believe that it is God who Instills human beings in an act of co-creation with God. You do not. I do not believe I have the right to control anyone. You believe I’m exercising my will over others when I don’t believe that my will is even what matters.

I would rather live as a slave to Jesus Christ - than have the 'freedoms' you propose. Ultimately, my desire to serve a God who suffered an ignominious death to restore my freedom in Him offends your desire to live according to your the whims of your own ego. You justify yourself by saying your way of life makes everyone free. I say the same. Yet, we will never agree.

Those are the facts. And such is our enmity for the ways of each other. Hence our politics will be at odds over many issues.

 

[MrSquished]

And holy shit there it is. Batshit nuttery.

 

[Pohemi]

No, I believe that there is an objective reality. You do not.
I believe that there is a natural order the that is embedded in the fabric of human beings. You do not.
I believe that human beings have a physical and spiritual nature. You do not.
I believe that it is God who Instills human beings in an act of co-creation with God. You do not.
I do not believe I have the right to control anyone. You believe I’m exercising my will over others when I don’t believe that my will is even what matters.

And yet...you also believe that anyone who does not share your beliefs is morally wrong and "not in touch with God".

You can say you don't believe in having the right to control others, but your faux moral superiority complex does exactly that. Those are the beliefs you espouse, and those are likely the people you vote for, who share those beliefs.

If this is indeed your truth, then you ARE trying to control the choices and conditions of existing for other people. You just don't recognize it for what it is. God forbid you be an oppressor in His name, right?

I would rather live as a slave to Jesus Christ - than have the 'freedoms' you propose. Ultimately, my desire to serve a God who suffered an ignominious death to restore my freedom in Him offends your desire to live according to your the whims of your own ego. You justify yourself by saying your way of life makes everyone free. I say the same. Yet, we will never agree.

Those are the facts. And such is our enmity for the ways of each other. Hence our politics will be at odds over many issues.

And there's the clincher. You ARE a slave, of a type. A slave to your own beliefs in God and religion, and holding onto this feeling of superiority over others who are not pious.

You openly admit that you do not want to live by the choices that liberals would give everyone, including LGBTQ folks. You would rather be subservient if it meant you could have all your beliefs as the way the country is run.

There's nothing wrong with having faith and religious beliefs...until you start believing that everyone else should be following your beliefs as well in order to "fix" things as they are now. It doesn't work like that.

And one last point...those aren't facts. They are how you subjectively feel. Learn the difference.

 

[brycejones]

No, I believe that there is an objective reality. You do not. I believe that there is a natural order the that is embedded in the fabric of human beings. You do not. I believe that human beings have a physical and spiritual nature. You do not. I believe that it is God who Instills human beings in an act of co-creation with God. You do not. I do not believe I have the right to control anyone. You believe I’m exercising my will over others when I don’t believe that my will is even what matters.

I would rather live as a slave to Jesus Christ - than have the 'freedoms' you propose. Ultimately, my desire to serve a God who suffered an ignominious death to restore my freedom in Him offends your desire to live according to your the whims of your own ego. You justify yourself by saying your way of life makes everyone free. I say the same. Yet, we will never agree.

Those are the facts. And such is our enmity for the ways of each other. Hence our politics will be at odds over many issues.

What did I just read?

Also are we now done with your deflection about divorces and the nuclear family in a thread about attacks on lgbtq rights?

 

[Ajay]

And there's the clincher. You ARE a slave, of a type. A slave to your own beliefs in God and religion, and holding onto this feeling of superiority over others who are not pious.

I am not, nor did I claim to be superior.

And yet...you also believe that anyone who does not share your beliefs is morally wrong and "not in touch with God".

Didn’t say that.

You openly admit that you do not want to live by the choices that liberals would give everyone, including LGBTQ folks.

Didn’t say that either.

There's nothing wrong with having faith and religious beliefs...until you start believing that everyone else should be following your beliefs as well in order to "fix" things as they are now. It doesn't work like that.

You say that, and yet if I act according to my beliefs - I’m forcing others. If you act according to your beliefs, you are not. Sounds fishy, or convenient.

And one last point...those aren't facts. They are how you subjectively feel. Learn the difference.

Didn’t write about my feelings, just my thoughts. Uh, learn the difference?

So, Prejudice much? Honestly, so many people have prejudiced views on Christians like we are all your beloved Christo-facist terrorists. So many in P&N say it’s fine to be religious, but if someone claims to be Christian, they are labeled *checks notes* as batshit crazy before the hour.

We have all the freedom we want - as long as we don’t disagree publicly with the current group think of the modern moral and intellectual relativists. Marx would be so proud. Descartes would toast to your success. I think you get the point.

 

[Ajay]

What did I just read?

Also are we now done with your deflection about divorces and the nuclear family in a thread about attacks on lgbtq rights?

Bummer, and I tried to make it simple.

 

[brycejones]

I am not, nor did I claim to be superior.


Didn’t say that.

Didn’t say that either.

You say that, and yet if I act according to my beliefs - I’m forcing others. If you act according to your beliefs, you are not. Sounds fishy, or convenient.

Didn’t write about my feelings, just my thoughts. Uh, learn the difference?

So, Prejudice much? Honestly, so many people have prejudiced views on Christians like we are all your beloved Christo-facist terrorists. So many in P&N say it’s fine to be religious, but if someone claims to be Christian, they are labeled *checks notes* as batshit crazy before the hour.

We have all the freedom we want - as long as we don’t disagree publicly with the current group think of the modern moral and intellectual relativists. Marx would be so proud. Descartes would toast to your success. I think you get the point.

The point is you are free to practice your faith in this country. You are free to worship, no one has forced changes in what a church considers to be a valid marriage in a religious sense. Pastors are not forced to conduct religious marriage ceremonies for couples that would violate that religion’s definition of marriage. No one forces you to get an abortion or use birth control. You can have as many children as you want. You are free to express your sexual/gender identify as you see fit. Claiming Christians are victimized in anyway in this country is disgusting and demeaning to victims of actual religious persecution and oppression. Comparing people who really just want to be left alone to live their lives to Marxists means you are not engaged with objective reality.

So which branch of Christianity did you convert to as an adult?

 

[brycejones]

Bummer, and I tried to make it simple.

You made an astounding number of assumptions in that post that should trouble you if you are really trying to lead a Christ like life.

 

[Pohemi]

I am not, nor did I claim to be superior.

Didn’t say that.

Didn’t say that either.

You say that, and yet if I act according to my beliefs - I’m forcing others. If you act according to your beliefs, you are not. Sounds fishy, or convenient.

Acting according to your beliefs is fine and good (assuming the beliefs are benign); voting for and supporting/arguing for those who oppress others makes you just as guilty. You want others to live how you see fit and proper. Your nuclear family commentary is just one example.

I don't want to force anyone to do anything. I want to give everyone the right to do what they feel is right for themselves, and not be restricted by christofascist laws that shouldn't have been passed.

And you DID say these things, just not exactly the words you used. You're pulling a pcgeek, "I didn't say those words exactly how you said them so I didn't say that or mean that."

Do you think we can't see the messages behind the commentary? Maybe you fool yourself, but not everyone is so gullible.

Didn’t write about my feelings, just my thoughts. Uh, learn the difference?

Okay, and still...your thoughts are not necessarily facts. I understand the difference, which is why I called it out when you claimed to be using facts.

You weren't.

So, Prejudice much? Honestly, so many people have prejudiced views on Christians like we are all your beloved Christo-facist terrorists. So many in P&N say it’s fine to be religious, but if someone claims to be Christian, they are labeled *checks notes* as batshit crazy before the hour.

We have all the freedom we want - as long as we don’t disagree publicly with the current group think of the modern moral and intellectual relativists. Marx would be so proud. Descartes would toast to your success. I think you get the point.

Prejudiced against the church? Yes. Prejudiced against individuals trying to live a Christian life? No. But I will call out their hypocrisy when I witness it. But that isn't the issue here. If you think nobody has the right to be critical of Christianity after the past 40 years of fuckery and pedophilia, then you're at a cultist level of blindness.

And we don't ALL have the freedom we want. The bolded is pure projection, if you have no self-awareness. You might have the freedoms YOU want. But you could give two shits about freedoms for those who don't live in your subjective, moralistic world view. I don't know how you can claim freedom for everyone as (GOP) legislators all around the country strip rights and freedoms from others. It's a lie.

Of course, YOU are the poor victim because you are Christian. Gimme a break. You have no recognition of the people outside of yourself (and your beliefs) that are having their rights taken away from them RIGHT NOW.

 

[Pens1566]

Ah, the "my imaginary sky friend that loves me demands I do XYZ or else they'll doom me for all eternity" bit. Seems both rational and not at all an unhealthy relationship.

 

[kitkat22]

Wouldn't it be great if everyone was Christian? All his problems would go away.

 

[Ajay]

Wouldn't it be great if everyone was Christian? All his problems would go away.

No they wouldn’t. In fact, we specifically say in our theology that that wouldn’t happen. We accept the corruptible nature of man. How could any sane person now see the actions of mankind in our communities and worldwide and not accept that reality. I could give you a bunch of scripture versus on this - but that provides no meaningful context.

 

[kitkat22]

No they wouldn’t. In fact, we specifically say in our theology that that wouldn’t happen. We accept the corruptible nature of man. How could any sane person now see the actions of mankind in our communities and worldwide and not accept that reality. I could give you a bunch of scripture versus on this - but that provides no meaningful context.

Wait, so you aren't interested in Zion? Gathering Isreal? Go forth and teach all nations?

Or do you need people to be left behind during the rapture?

 

[Ajay]

Claiming Christians are victimized in anyway in this country is disgusting and demeaning to victims of actual religious persecution and oppression. Comparing people who really just want to be left alone to live their lives to Marxists means you are not engaged with objective reality.

I fully understand the difference between being 'labeled' as if all Christians were the same and being turned into a meme like Christo-facists and being literally martyred (murdered) for the faith like my brothers in Nigeria (I’m friends with a priest from Nigeria). Still, that type of labeling forms the basis of a tendency to judge a Christian without even knowing anything about him or her.

Marx was simply the terminus of a line of philosophical thinking (from his predecessors starting with Descartes) that not only divorces man from God, but also divorced mankind from reason. Which is to say that people and things are what we decide they are. Everything is fungible. There is no objective truth. Of course, it’s an obvious lie, since claiming there is no objective truth means that one cannot truthfully make the claim that there is no objective truth.

So which branch of Christianity did you conver to as an adult?

Roman Catholicism.

 

[Ajay]

Wait, so you aren't interested in Zion? Gathering Isreal? Go forth and teach all nations?

Or do you need people to be left behind during the rapture?

No. Don't care about the rapture. Want people to know Christ's love. Don’t wish for people to suffer damnation for opposing us or doing evil stuff. Don’t want 'the gays' to burn in hell. Love the sinner, hate the sin (hell, it’s the only way to cope with my own sins). I’m not a saint, and thus am often a very poor reflection of the love that Christ has for those I encounter. I do the best I can.

Not looking forward to the second coming of the Lord because of the souls that will be condemned then. Literally pray and do penance for God to continue to be merciful towards us despite our ingratitude towards the Father gift of sending His son to be sacrificed that we may have friendship with Him again.

 

[skyking]

"Cues" - meaning an extremist view point. MBLA is obviously an absurdly extreme view point - an immoral one. I don’t feel like going into the bizarre stuff I’ve seen in sex positivity - maybe I’ll post an example later. Seems I hit allot of nerves today.

That's what happens when you start tossing elbows like that. Comparing sex positive policies to something as clearly offensive as MBLA will strike a whole lot of nerves.
It is akin to comparing everyone who goes to church to the Westboro clan. Ponder that for a minute.
Do they embody Christ's love for you? Hey, they are a church here in the US so they must be good.

 

[Amused]

Why do conservofascists always conflate consensual sex with non-consensual rape, child molestation and bestiality when making arguments for controlling your sexy bits and bedroom activity?

"Every conservative accusation is a confession?"

Children cannot consent.
Animals cannot consent.
Anyone you have power over cannot consent.

The rules of who can, and cannot consent are quite simple, really.
So why conflate consensual sex with non-consensual sex?

 

[kitkat22]

No. Don't care about the rapture. Want people to know Christ's love. Don’t wish for people to suffer damnation for opposing us or doing evil stuff. Don’t want 'the gays' to burn in hell. Love the sinner, hate the sin (hell, it’s the only way to cope with my own sins). I’m not a saint, and thus am often a very poor reflection of the love that Christ has for those I encounter. I do the best I can.

Not looking forward to the second coming of the Lord because of the souls that will be condemned then. Literally pray and do penance for God to continue to be merciful towards us despite our ingratitude towards the Father gift of sending His son to be sacrificed that we may have friendship with Him again.

Look, you aren't doing yourself any favors.

I am surprised at your response for "not gathering Israel" because that was an incredibly large focus of Christ's mortal ministry. Shoot, there's a ton of parables about it. Gathering wheat and tares, going for the "one," gathering zion, gathering Israel, feed His sheep/lambs. I seriously could go on.

How are you going to have people know Christ's love without sharing His message?

I'm a transgender woman married to my wife - we are technically lesbians. Thanks for telling me I am burning in hell.

Love the sinner, hate the sin is a horrible adage. It still looks at people as a sin and still passes judgement.

I'm no saint either.

 

[Ajay]

Look, you aren't doing yourself any favors.

I never am when I talk about these things on this forum.

How are you going to have people know Christ's love without sharing His message?

I do, but not here. I do it in the context of personal relationships - and only with people who are interested in listening. We have other people in the church who evangelize writ large. God has never failed to send me those who are ready to hear the word. Paraphrasing St. Paul - keep your head down, do your work and let the way you live you life be your example.

I'm a transgender woman married to my wife - we are technically lesbians. Thanks for telling me I am burning in hell.

I don’t know who’s going to burn in Hell, only God knows. I’m not going to condemn you.

Love the sinner, hate the sin is a horrible adage. It still looks at people as a sin and still passes judgement.

Uh, no. The literal point of that phrase is that you are NOT the sin that you may be committing. Ergo, we are not passing judgement on you. We recognize certain actions as being sinful (offensive to God) and cannot condone those actions. I'm not here to pass judgement on you, I haven’t and I won’t.

 

[Ajay]

Why do conservofascists always conflate consensual sex with non-consensual rape, child molestation and bestiality when making arguments for controlling your sexy bits and bedroom activity?

"Every conservative accusation is a confession?"

Children cannot consent.
Animals cannot consent.
Anyone you have power over cannot consent.

The rules of who can, and cannot consent are quite simple, really.
So why conflate consensual sex with non-consensual sex?

Well, as @skyking pointed out - I crossed the line on that comment. I went to far. Sorry, my bad. I wasn’t trying to gaslight people.

 

[nakedfrog]

I do not believe I have the right to control anyone.

I don't want to lambaste you because you generally come across as pretty reasonable, but I do wonder how exactly you square this thing that you believe about yourself with your desire to do away with no-fault divorce, since that's a thing we were actually discussing. Would that not be controlling others, without the right to do so?

 

[JD50]

Uh, no. The literal point of that phrase is that you are NOT the sin that you may be committing. Ergo, we are not passing judgement on you. We recognize certain actions as being sinful (offensive to God) and cannot condone those actions. I'm not here to pass judgement on you, I haven’t and I won’t.

This is such transparent bullshit, you realize the only people you fool with this are other Christians right?