The Official ANTI-WOKE anti-lgbt conservaterrorist mob thread!

[Greenman]

High prices and homelessness are direct consequences of bad housing/land use policy as are drug addicts to a lesser extent. As far as crowding goes as that's the famous Yogi Berra quote - 'nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded.'

As for crime, the southern states expats from New York and California usually go to often have comparable or in many cases much higher crime rates than they do as generally speaking the South is a very high crime area. I found it funny that recently DeSantis was complaining about how crime ridden NYC was while if NYC had a crime rate anything like cities in Florida or the south as a whole it would be considered a national emergency.

What could be true though is that in moving from a high housing cost area to a low one you can then afford to move into a neighborhood with less crime but that's back to housing cost again.

High prices and homelessness are a direct consequence of to many people. Homes are cheaper in the South because land is cheaper, and there isn't $30k worth of reviews and fees to pay.
Material costs are about the same, labor is less because the cost of living is less. The area where I moved to is seeing substantial growth because of those factors among others.

 

[fskimospy]

High prices and homelessness are a direct consequence of to many people. Homes are cheaper in the South because land is cheaper, and there isn't $30k worth of reviews and fees to pay.
Material costs are about the same, labor is less because the cost of living is less. The area where I moved to is seeing substantial growth because of those factors among others.

No, high home prices are primarily due to an imbalance of supply and demand. Land is cheaper in the south because fewer people want the land, because it’s a less desirable place to live.

The demand to live in California and NYC is sky high and home building has not kept pace because it is banned.

 

[Moonbeam]

No, high home prices are primarily due to an imbalance of supply and demand. Land is cheaper in the south because fewer people want the land, because it’s a less desirable place to live.

The demand to live in California and NYC is sky high and home building has not kept pace because it is banned.

It won't take too long for the people down South to get sick of the growth they are experiencing and start voting to keep people away if they haven't been self interested enough to do so already. I've heard all kinds of business reports about big companies building mega factories down there. I guess one way to become the place to go is to be shitty enough that its cheep to live there. The worse it gets the better it is. I pity the alligators. Meanwhile, I can't wait for global warming to melt enough ice that nobody in their right mind would move where I live.

Just a different perspective.......

 

[fskimospy]

It won't take too long for the people down South to get sick of the growth they are experiencing and start voting to keep people away if they haven't been self interested enough to do so already. I've heard all kinds of business reports about big companies building mega factories down there. I guess one way to become the place to go is to be shitty enough that its cheep to live there. The worse it gets the better it is. I pity the alligators. Meanwhile, I can't wait for global warming to melt enough ice that nobody in their right mind would move where I live.

Just a different perspective.......

Very true - they will figure out, like you have, that they can make enormous profits by limiting housing supply.

The good news is that the humanitarian crisis that people like you have caused is finally causing government to act and we are just getting started. We are going to help humans find a place to live despite your best efforts.

I hope in the future you will see the virtue in fewer people living on the streets even if it means you can’t dictate the use of land you don’t own but I tend to doubt it. Alternatively you could just buy the land but your position seems to be you should own it for free.

 

[Moonbeam]

Very true - they will figure out, like you have, that they can make enormous profits by limiting housing supply.

The good news is that the humanitarian crisis that people like you have caused is finally causing government to act and we are just getting started. We are going to help humans find a place to live despite your best efforts.

I hope in the future you will see the virtue in fewer people living on the streets even if it means you can’t dictate the use of land you don’t own but I tend to doubt it. Alternatively you could just buy the land but your position seems to be you should own it for free.

I can't see how you accuse me of wanting enormous profits when I wish where I live were such that nobody would want to move here. That would be land, say, that will disappear under water in a few years. That will make my home worthless, no.

You have never seemed to understand that I don't give a shit about property values. They are totally meaningless to me because I have people to take care of locally and just don't want to be the last person alive who manages to survive without being driven out by being forced to paying the current property tax rate were my house to sell at current market rates. I only bought to avoid 4 hours of commute to find affordable rent and I mean affordable for me.

But I guess your argument sounds better if you make it about me and money. Well it's is about money in one sense but money I could never afford to pay so my home and way of life should be taken, not about what I can make by selling or preserving it's value at others expense. And I just can't imagine how you think that were I to be forced out that the homeless would some how benefit. No homeless person can afford to live anywhere here no matter how dense housing gets.

I grew up in the middle of location location location so now thanks to that I'm a real somebody rich beyond my wildest dreams. Funny though, I love lobster. I used to get them at Fisherman's Wharf #9 with my family in my teenage years. But I have never bought one myself in my life. Too fucking cheap. I have become what I hated. My Dad never would buy the lobster for himself. He always bought the cheapest on the menu, the sea bass.

Anyway, still doing my part for the homeless. I have another house that someone lives in bills and rent free who has a disability and does not have a job. Don't worry, soon enough I will be too broke to pay my taxes even reduced as they are in my primary dwelling. Are you in tears yet?

I do understand supply and demand and the havoc it can bring. Competition for living space is capitalism's hidden face. Desire and privilege walk hand and hand. Only the best deserve the best things, only those who will sell their lives to earn it. The right to sell ones soul to the highest bidder is what we call freedom. Hope the up and coming can afford their student loans. I trades my college fund for a Triumph Bonneville and bugs on my teeth. Now I have a wild cat at my back door watching me like a hawk because she saw me pick up her food bowl to soak in the sink. Time to wash it and fill it for here, ny poor homeless kitty. How beautiful she is.

 

[fskimospy]

I can't see how you accuse me of wanting enormous profits when I wish where I live were such that nobody would want to move here. That would be land, say, that will disappear under water in a few years. That will make my home worthless, no.

You have never seemed to understand that I don't give a shit about property values. They are totally meaningless to me because I have people to take care of locally and just don't want to be the last person alive who manages to survive without being driven out by being forced to paying the current property tax rate were my house to sell at current market rates. I only bought to avoid 4 hours of commute to find affordable rent and I mean affordable for me.

But I guess your argument sounds better if you make it about me and money. Well it's is about money in one sense but money I could never afford to pay so my home and way of life should be taken, not about what I can make by selling or preserving it's value at others expense. And I just can't imagine how you think that were I to be forced out that the homeless would some how benefit. No homeless person can afford to live anywhere here no matter how dense housing gets.

I grew up in the middle of location location location so now thanks to that I'm a real somebody rich beyond my wildest dreams. Funny though, I love lobster. I used to get them at Fisherman's Wharf #9 with my family in my teenage years. But I have never bought one myself in my life. Too fucking cheap. I have become what I hated. My Dad never would buy the lobster for himself. He always bought the cheapest on the menu, the sea bass.

Anyway, still doing my part for the homeless. I have another house that someone lives in bills and rent free who has a disability and does not have a job. Don't worry, soon enough I will be too broke to pay my taxes even reduced as they are in my primary dwelling. Are you in tears yet?

I do understand supply and demand and the havoc it can bring. Competition for living space is capitalism's hidden face. Desire and privilege walk hand and hand. Only the best deserve the best things, only those who will sell their lives to earn it. The right to sell ones soul to the highest bidder is what we call freedom. Hope the up and coming can afford their student loans. I trades my college fund for a Triumph Bonneville and bugs on my teeth. Now I have a wild cat at my back door watching me like a hawk because she saw me pick up her food bowl to soak in the sink. Time to wash it and fill it for here, ny poor homeless kitty. How beautiful she is.

It’s even sadder that you want to cause mass human suffering for no reason at all.

Every time you see a homeless person or drive by an encampment remember - people who think like you caused it. How does that make you feel?

 

[Greenman]

No, high home prices are primarily due to an imbalance of supply and demand. Land is cheaper in the south because fewer people want the land, because it’s a less desirable place to live.

The demand to live in California and NYC is sky high and home building has not kept pace because it is banned.

35 million isn't enough? What's the right number? A hundred million, a billion? If everyone wants to live there, no number of homes will solve the problem.

 

[brycejones]

35 million isn't enough? What's the right number? A hundred million, a billion? If everyone wants to live there, no number of homes will solve the problem.

lol, just lol

 

[fskimospy]

35 million isn't enough? What's the right number? A hundred million, a billion? If everyone wants to live there, no number of homes will solve the problem.

Well as opposed to changing the idea of human procreation I would adopt the conservative position that excessive government regulation has negative effects.

 

[Vic]

It’s even sadder that you want to cause mass human suffering for no reason at all.

Every time you see a homeless person or drive by an encampment remember - people who think like you caused it. How does that make you feel?

They feel like they just want to make the problem go away from their sight.
I won't accuse Moonie of anything, but I know that's what my extremely vocal "neighbors" on Nextdoor here in Portland want to do. The very sight of the homeless fills them with an angry guilt that makes them lash out in astonishingly ugly ways.
It can't possibly be that rents and housing prices have doubled in the last decade, it must be that the homeless have some kind of character defect that requires govt intervention and punishment.
To them, homelessness is a crisis that afflicts the housed. Or whatever mental gymnastics they need to justify their NIMBYism while ignoring its terrible impact.
Most troubling is how self-righteous they are. They just won't see what the policies they supported have done, and will use whatever govt intervention they feel necessary in order to keep not seeing.

 

[MrSquished]

NYC and Los Angeles are both safer than the US at large.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I'm in the city all the time. Last two nights for social outings, last Sunday just to ride all over and take photos and eat. I have been on the subway in the last week with teenagers on the subway at night, walking around just people doing their thing, at all times, young kids, single women, guys, old men, old ladies. ON the subway, on the sidewalks. People from all walks of life, all ethnicities, all sexualities, dressed totally normal or with their own style from chic to very expressive. Nobody cares. It's normal. Meanwhile you got a bunch of regressive cavepeople that live in these red areas, hopped up on guns and assault rifles and religion to oppress others any way they can, saying how scary it is in NYC. The scariest thing to us, is you, and your regressive ways.

Please, stay the fuck away, but why the fuck do you horrible people have such over-representation in our country and are destroying it every minute of every day? Go build a fortress in the sticks, and stop telling us how to live our lives. And you fucks living off the government teat at the same time. Our blue state money goes to your shitty red states, and our urban money goes to your shitty sticks. Until the last decade, I was fine with that arrangement, but you have gone too fucking far and are now infringing on all things decent and good and are just nasty creatures. Fuck off.

 

[Fenixgoon]

They feel like they just want to make the problem go away from their sight.
I won't accuse Moonie of anything, but I know that's what my extremely vocal "neighbors" on Nextdoor here in Portland want to do. The very sight of the homeless fills them with an angry guilt that makes them lash out in astonishingly ugly ways.
It can't possibly be that rents and housing prices have doubled in the last decade, it must be that the homeless have some kind of character defect that requires govt intervention and punishment.
To them, homelessness is a crisis that afflicts the housed. Or whatever mental gymnastics they need to justify their NIMBYism while ignoring its terrible impact.
Most troubling is how self-righteous they are. They just won't see what the policies they supported have done, and will use whatever govt intervention they feel necessary in order to keep not seeing.

poverty itself isvery much viewed as character defect in the US. if we didn't see it that way, maybe we'd have a more robust social safety net.

 

[Vic]

poverty itself isvery much viewed as character defect in the US. if we didn't see it that way, maybe we'd have a more robust social safety net.

Imagine the safety nets we'd need if we didn't force people into poverty who might have otherwise been productive members of society if given the chance.

 

[Moonbeam]

It’s even sadder that you want to cause mass human suffering for no reason at all.

Every time you see a homeless person or drive by an encampment remember - people who think like you caused it. How does that make you feel?

Seriously, I don't see how you justify blaming me. How do I cause human suffering. I own two houses one occupied by a disabled person in poverty. The one I live in I live in because I still have enough money to pay my bills. Do you think I should voluntarily pay 6 times what I do in property tax voluntarily, something I could not do for the rest of my life. Should I move so some high earner can move in. I never voted for a single issue that preserves my suburban neighborhood from higher density and I voted against prop 13 the only reason I can stay where I am. Should I have rented to make someone else rich, and polluted the atmosphere with a massive commute for decades while working. Every vote I have ever taken in my life has always been for the common good and never what most financially benefits me.

I think the monster you see in me is in your head. I have as much power to affect the homeless problem as you do and the difference between you and me in actions are nothing that I can see. The only difference I can see between the way you think and the way I think is that if I personally could fix the problem of homelessness my fix would not involve raising taxes now that 13 has passed in a way that would force them to sell. The facts are that I do not have the power to fix homelessness or prevent 13 protections from being taken from old people any more than you can fix the problem your way.

But because you focus on the problem of homelessness as a supply and demand problem your answer is in-system whereas I see the system itself as the cause of homelessness. If a job is required to have an income and an income is necessary to survive then it is the duty of the government to guarantee a living wage to every person. In this way anybody would be able to live anywhere including in areas in which there is little activity that provides jobs. Such places would then have money to support an economy and jobs would appear.

Most people, I think, find meaning in being useful in some way and will gladly work when they can do what they personally enjoy doing. In the 5competative dog eat dog world of in-system there can be no winners unless someone else is losing. Those include the homeless which the in-system solution solution creator will continue to insure the system creates.

Happy people aren't happy because of money but because they are free from the psychological needs that fear creates. Capitalism thrives on the labor of people who will starve if they won't work at slave wages.

We drive the talented youth into ever densely populated cities and decry the sticks where they came from as backward and brutish places. Well duh.

 

[fskimospy]

Seriously, I don't see how you justify blaming me. How do I cause human suffering. I own two houses one occupied by a disabled person in poverty. The one I live in I live in because I still have enough money to pay my bills. Do you think I should voluntarily pay 6 times what I do in property tax voluntarily, something I could not do for the rest of my life. Should I move so some high earner can move in. I never voted for a single issue that preserves my suburban neighborhood from higher density and I voted against prop 13 the only reason I can stay where I am. Should I have rented to make someone else rich, and polluted the atmosphere with a massive commute for decades while working. Every vote I have ever taken in my life has always been for the common good and never what most financially benefits me.

I think the monster you see in me is in your head. I have as much power to affect the homeless problem as you do and the difference between you and me in actions are nothing that I can see. The only difference I can see between the way you think and the way I think is that if I personally could fix the problem of homelessness my fix would not involve raising taxes now that 13 has passed in a way that would force them to sell. The facts are that I do not have the power to fix homelessness or prevent 13 protections from being taken from old people any more than you can fix the problem your way.

But because you focus on the problem of homelessness as a supply and demand problem your answer is in-system whereas I see the system itself as the cause of homelessness. If a job is required to have an income and an income is necessary to survive then it is the duty of the government to guarantee a living wage to every person. In this way anybody would be able to live anywhere including in areas in which there is little activity that provides jobs. Such places would then have money to support an economy and jobs would appear.

Most people, I think, find meaning in being useful in some way and will gladly work when they can do what they personally enjoy doing. In the 5competative dog eat dog world of in-system there can be no winners unless someone else is losing. Those include the homeless which the in-system solution solution creator will continue to insure the system creates.

Happy people aren't happy because of money but because they are free from the psychological needs that fear creates. Capitalism thrives on the labor of people who will starve if they won't work at slave wages.

We drive the talented youth into ever densely populated cities and decry the sticks where they came from as backward and brutish places. Well duh.

You drive human suffering by preventing people from living in a house.

This is not complicated. You don’t have to spend any money. Just stop trying to control land you don’t own.

 

[Moonbeam]

You drive human suffering by preventing people from living in a house.

This is not complicated. You don’t have to spend any money. Just stop trying to control land you don’t own.

Again, just how am I trying to control land I don't own. I have trouble keeping up with my own weeds.

 

[Amused]

I only lived in California for 60 years, perhaps I just need to spend a bit more time there.

Oh really? Where?

 

[fskimospy]

Again, just how am I trying to control land I don't own. I have trouble keeping up with my own weeds.

Can your neighbor build what they want on land they own?

More importantly, do you support laws that would allow this?

 

[Greenman]

Oh really? Where?

The Bay Area. Wonderful place to live 20 years ago. Not a bad place to live now if you have a big enough bucket of money.
Spent some time in the Sothern end of the state as well, liked the climate, didn't care at all for the crowding.
My truck and jobsites were robbed five times over the last few years I lived there. Police wouldn't even come by to take a report. I had to fill out the report on their website, an officer signed it and mailed it back to me as the official police report. The last one cost me $7k.

 

[fskimospy]

The Bay Area. Wonderful place to live 20 years ago. Not a bad place to live now if you have a big enough bucket of money.
Spent some time in the Sothern end of the state as well, liked the climate, didn't care at all for the crowding.
My truck and jobsites were robbed five times over the last few years I lived there. Police wouldn't even come by to take a report. I had to fill out the report on their website, an officer signed it and mailed it back to me as the official police report. The last one cost me $7k.

Well it’s not like you didn’t do it to yourselves.

 

[Amused]

The Bay Area. Wonderful place to live 20 years ago. Not a bad place to live now if you have a big enough bucket of money.
Spent some time in the Sothern end of the state as well, liked the climate, didn't care at all for the crowding.
My truck and jobsites were robbed five times over the last few years I lived there. Police wouldn't even come by to take a report. I had to fill out the report on their website, an officer signed it and mailed it back to me as the official police report. The last one cost me $7k.

I live on the beach in Redondo Beach. I see the homeless issues when I go downtown on the 110 and along the 110 corridor. We have a few who camp on the beach.

In all, it's less annoying than the homeless issues I had when I ran sandwich shops in the Midwest.

The MAIN reason people are leaving is cost of living (mainly housing, secondary taxes).

The primary reason (by far) after cost/taxes is politics. Conservatives don't feel "free" to be flat earth believing, science denying, conspiracy worshiping anti-gay bigots and racists here.



In fact, the most hilarious complaint I personally hear from conservative bigots here in CA is they keep having interacial couples, gays and trans people "thrown in their face" (I.E. just living their lives openly). They literally feel oppressed because they cannot oppress others here. They literally believe they have SHOULD have the right to make others hide or worse, remove them from existence. "Why do we have to SEE them?" they cry.

Homeless and crime doesn't even make the cut. Homeless and crime are political talking points. No surprise there.

Release #2019-08: Leaving California: Half of State’s Voters Have Been Considering This; Republicans and Conservatives Three Times as likely as Democrats and Liberals to be Giving Serious Consideration to Leaving the State

Author(s): DiCamillo, Mark

escholarship.org

BTW, CA is not even in the top 10 in crime rates.

1. District of Columbia - 7,986 per 100,000 people
2. New Mexico - 6,462 per 100,000 people
3. Louisiana - 6,408 per 100,000 people
4. Colorado - 6,091 per 100,000 people
5. South Carolina - 5,973 per 100,000 people
6. Arkansas - 5,899 per 100,000 people
7. Oklahoma - 5,870 per 100,000 people
8. Washington - 5,759 per 100,000 people
9. Tennessee - 5,658 per 100,000 people
10. Oregon - 5,610 per 100,000 people

Another source:
CA is in the middle. #25 in lowest crime rates.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/crime-and-corrections/public-safety

Red States with higher crime rates than CA:

Texas
Arizona
Missouri
Oklahoma
Alabama
Tennessee
South Carolina
Arkansas
Louisiana
Alaska

 

[Greenman]

It's interesting that you read party affiliation as bigotry, hate, and foolish beliefs.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It's interesting that you read party affiliation as bigotry, hate, and foolish beliefs.

Not really, conservatives voted for trump, twice. Bigotry, hate, and foolish beliefs sounds like his campaign, both times

 

[brycejones]

It's interesting that you read party affiliation as bigotry, hate, and foolish beliefs.

It’s even more telling you don’t see it.

 

[woolfe9998]

And I just can't imagine how you think that were I to be forced out that the homeless would some how benefit. No homeless person can afford to live anywhere here no matter how dense housing gets.

Right, a pauper who lives on the streets can't afford any home. Even to rent it. But he might be a pauper living on the streets because he couldn't afford the high rent he was paying and lost his job. Lower housing prices prevent people from becoming homeless to begin with. And increasing the supply will lower the prices.