The Official 2020 General Election returns thread CONTAINS NSFW IMAGES IN POST 3,884

[Sunburn74]

No, you are not alone. I am not happy with everything Trump does / says, but I refuse to vote for a Trojan Horse candidate. I don't think Joe would last a year before they dump him with the 25th amendment. Nancy is already warming it up.

Aren't they basically the same age and Biden in better health?

Seems like an asshole reason to come up with at this time to justify your trump vote. Yeah he was impeached, used us funds to extort a country for his personal gain and lied about it, lied about paying pornstars to the American people, is making personal money from being the president illegally, lied about covid and botched the response horribly, put kids in cages, refuses to denounce Nazis, tried to rip healthcare from millions of people without any semblance of a backup plan, and has created an environment where for the first time in 160 years were worried as a nation of a civil war based on election results. However he's like one or two years younger than the other guy so he's got my vote. That's basically your asshole argument.

 

[Commodus]

Where has socialisms worked with a diverse population? The only place that comes to mind is the UK, but the diversity came after the socialism, and it looks like that lead (at least in part) to brexit.

Canada is a social democracy and thrives on diversity.

Also, Brexit was fuelled in no small part by exploiting xenophobia and mindless nationalism, so I wouldn't call that a great example.

 

[K1052]

I would also note that shorthand for what I was talking about is 'racism' and so it would be interesting for conservatives to start arguing that the US is too racist for the social welfare state considering their repeated claims to the contrary.

When people talk about social programs not working in the US due to "diversity" this is really what they mean. It is not hard to decode.

 

[Sunburn74]

Canada is a social democracy and thrives on diversity.

Also, Brexit was fuelled in no small part by exploiting xenophobia and mindless nationalism, so I wouldn't call that a great example.

I think if you look at world history, pretty much all governments are failures.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Where has socialisms worked with a diverse population? The only place that comes to mind is the UK, but the diversity came after the socialism, and it looks like that lead (at least in part) to brexit.

I know that others have already linked what you said to racism, and to tell you the truth when I read that it is what it sounded like to me as well. But, I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you what you mean when you say that social programs can't work with a country with a diverse population. What about diversity makes it so social programs fail? What extra challenges do they face as opposed to one in a society that is much more socially homogenous. I can actually think of a few answers that are not racist, but I don't want to put words in your mouth, so I'll wait for you to answer.

 

[gothuevos]

Any takeaway points from some of the early reporting from bellwether FL counties?

 

[fskimospy]

Any takeaway points from some of the early reporting from bellwether FL counties?

There is no meaningful information to be gained until the polls close and actual votes are counted.

 

[Muse]

Hey could someone on page 10 tell us who won? I’m tired of waiting.

The Rolling Stone article I linked above in this thread (I posted it yesterday) explains pretty convincingly that the result of the POTUS election will very likely not be known tonight, which is typical of POTUS elections. They explain that by tomorrow, Wednesday, perhaps around noon, it IS apt to be known... that is unless PA's results are pivotal. In that case, the result would not be known for several days, but conceivably longer. I heard the last part of an interview with the Secretary of State of PA this morning on NPR, and she projected strong confidence in PA's mail in ballot (and overall election process) handling. I figure she's a Democrat, I think the governor of PA is a Democrat.

 

[fskimospy]

The Rolling Stone article I linked above in this thread (I posted it yesterday) explains pretty convincingly that the result of the POTUS election will very likely not be known tonight, which is typical of POTUS elections. They explain that by tomorrow, Wednesday, perhaps around noon, it IS apt to be known... that is unless PA's results are pivotal. In that case, the result would not be known for several days, but conceivably longer. I heard the last part of an interview with the Secretary of State of PA this morning on NPR, and she projected strong confidence in PA's mail in ballot (and overall election process) handling. I figure she's a Democrat, I think the governor of PA is a Democrat.

It depends - there are states like Florida and Georgia whose results we will know tonight. If Biden wins one or more of those it’s over. If he doesn’t, that implies a closer election and one we might not know the result of for several days, yes.

 

[uclaLabrat]

It depends - there are states like Florida and Georgia whose results we will know tonight. If Biden wins one or more of those it’s over. If he doesn’t, that implies a closer election and one we might not know the result of for several days, yes.

I just want to clarify in your scenario it will be "unofficially" over; everyone will know the writing is on the wall but no networks will be making projections for the winner (at least from what I expect).

Semantics I know but im hoping people won't get their panties in a twist if Fl or GA or NC go biden but no network is officially projecting a winner.

 

[Muse]

I just want to clarify in your scenario it will be "unofficially" over; everyone will know the writing is on the wall but no networks will be making projections for the winner (at least from what I expect).

Semantics I know but im hoping people won't get their panties in a twist if Fl or GA or NC go biden but no network is officially projecting a winner.

Right and probably including AP. They're all apt to be guarded in declaring a winner, not want to chance being wrong.

 

[vi edit]

Biden and a trojan horse candidate. God damn.

You fucking loons...what has Trump done the last 4 years? He's rattled off a 4 year long honey do list for Putin. Nearly every global agreement or alignment we had with allies has gone the direction Putin wanted.

If Biden wins..maybe..maybe Americans get better access to health care?

 

[pmv]

Where has socialisms worked with a diverse population? The only place that comes to mind is the UK, but the diversity came after the socialism, and it looks like that lead (at least in part) to brexit.

Firstly, I don't think the issue with the US is "diversity" in a very general sense, it's the very specific history regarding black and white, Europeans and descendents of slaves. The hostility to any kind of wealth redistribution seems to be overwhelmingly about that.

Secondly, there does, all the same, seem to be a conflict between open-ness to immigration and any kind of wealth redistribution. The most equal society in Europe is probably Denmark, which is also one of the most negative about inward migration. Brexit seems tangled up in that conflict as well.

Finally, the USSR was pretty 'diverse', though that seemed to fall apart at the same time the socialism did. For Yugoslavia it seemed to be that the increasing movement towards the market and away from socialism just exacerbated the ethnic conflicts.

The original promise of socialism was that it would so unleash the 'productive forces' and enable economic growth that there would be plenty of wealth for everyone, so all these conflicts would be reduced. It didn't work out that way, quite the contrary. The trouble is it doesn't seem to be working out like that with capitalism either.

 

[ecogen]

Where has socialisms worked with a diverse population? The only place that comes to mind is the UK, but the diversity came after the socialism, and it looks like that lead (at least in part) to brexit.

Can you define socialism please?

 

[vi edit]

Can you define socialism please?

Right!

Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
VA Health

That evil socialism affecting almost half of the US already.

 

[ecogen]

Right!

Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
VA Health

That evil socialism affecting almost half of the US already.

"socialism is when the government does things and the more things it does the socialister it is"

 

[Zorba]

Any idea how the poll lines are going? Haven't seen any big stories, conflicts, etc. Turnout today will tell a huge story as early and absentee is a big Biden lean.

My polling place outside Oklahoma City had 3 hour lines. Other places I've heard about are around 90 minutes.

My friend who is poll working in GA couldn't sign anyone in to one of the precincts until 8. Otherwise he said no lines.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Can you define socialism please?

I like how he seems to suggest socialism can work but not if you have a divers population.

 

[ecogen]

I like how he seems to suggest socialism can work but not if you have a divers population.

I'd rather start with figuring out what he means by socialism before tackling anything else.

 

[nickqt]

Can you define socialism please?

I got this.

Socialism/Communism just means things they don't like.

Words don't actually have meanings to US Conservatives. It's all just feelings they've been trained to have by their handlers.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1323702137772277761

 

[Muse]

I'd rather start with figuring out what he means by socialism before tackling anything else.

Yeah, been thinking. You look at the etymology. "Social." Social implies focusing on people en masse. Are you concerned about the overall welfare of the populace? Or is it "every man for himself?" FYGM? I know, this may seem simple minded, but you have to start with words when you're dealing with words, right? The right managed to give "liberal" a negative connotation, and that still boggles my mind. They've been working on "socialism" that way for longer than "liberal" AFAIK. Trump said recently "we'll never have socialism in America." Well, Trump is an ignoramus when it comes to history, social anthropology, and really just anything. He's the anti-scholar, so I don't take his word for anything whatsoever. Arguably we have some socialism in America when you consider, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, Unemployment, Obama Care, Trump's own stimulus package of some months ago. So, Trump's completely wrong there already. I agree with most of what I've been hearing from Biden. I can agree with nothing I've heard from Trump, really ever. Biden called Trump a "disgrace" the other day. I've been saying that since before the 2016 election, which was nothing if not a gut punch to the USA, and I felt it by 8PM election night. I hope tonight is a very different feeling.

 

[Zorba]

Just saw Madison, WI has already counted 1/3 of their absentee ballots.

 

[brycejones]

Where has socialisms worked with a diverse population? The only place that comes to mind is the UK, but the diversity came after the socialism, and it looks like that lead (at least in part) to brexit.

This is such racist horseshit.

 

[nickqt]

This is such racist horseshit.

Never mind the fact that he doesn't know what socialism actually is.