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[nickqt]

Well the first officially counted votes happen at midnight in dixville notch, NH. All 5 votes went to Biden

So, my guy is up, just stop counting ballots now, we need finality.

That's how this works, right?

 

[pcgeek11]

It certainly points out the bias and extreme tilt of this forum doesn't it? The fact that almost 1/2 of this countries voters will be voting for President Trump in this election and yet I may be the only one in this forum that will state i'm a Trump voter? Why do you think this is?


I have no way of knowing what the results are going to be on Nov. 4th to whenever the Democrats can be stopped from adding fraudulent votes, but my guess is that Trump will be re-elected, that the Republicans will hold control of the Senate and that Republicans will pick up seats in the House. Now it's just a matter of waiting and watching the results.

No, you are not alone. I am not happy with everything Trump does / says, but I refuse to vote for a Trojan Horse candidate. I don't think Joe would last a year before they dump him with the 25th amendment. Nancy is already warming it up.

 

[manly]

Alas, no.

The Atlantic has an absolutely chilling and fascinating piece on what election chaos could be like if Trump contests the results using the full force of his office. It includes the doomsday scenario where Congress decides. Although Dems would currently lose a state delegation vote 24-26, would it be voted on by the current representation or the one that's seated in early January?

The Election That Could Break America

If the vote is close, Donald Trump could easily throw the election into chaos and subvert the result. Who will stop him?

www.theatlantic.com

Sorry they have a paywall but it should work via anonymous browser (few free articles per months).

 

[Paratus]

No, you are not alone. I am not happy with everything Trump does / says, but I refuse to vote for a Trojan Horse candidate. I don't think Joe would last a year before they dump him with the 25th amendment. Nancy is already warming it up.

Well good thing you won’t be doing that.

 

[interchange]

No, you are not alone. I am not happy with everything Trump does / says, but I refuse to vote for a Trojan Horse candidate. I don't think Joe would last a year before they dump him with the 25th amendment. Nancy is already warming it up.

You could choose not to vote for either.

 

[interchange]

Any idea how the poll lines are going? Haven't seen any big stories, conflicts, etc. Turnout today will tell a huge story as early and absentee is a big Biden lean.

 

[K1052]

Any idea how the poll lines are going? Haven't seen any big stories, conflicts, etc. Turnout today will tell a huge story as early and absentee is a big Biden lean.

Thus far my twitter feed which follows a lot of election reporters seems pretty smooth. I mean 100M people have already voted so that's obviously going to take some strain off of Election Day.

A lot of people trying to read the tea leaves on registration data for votes cast but that's almost all useless except perhaps for Nevada.

 

[pmv]

No, you are not alone. I am not happy with everything Trump does / says, but I refuse to vote for a Trojan Horse candidate. I don't think Joe would last a year before they dump him with the 25th amendment. Nancy is already warming it up.

I can see Biden potentially being a one-term President before packing it in to make way for Harris to run, but to speak of the 25th amendment given the state of the current incumbent is clearly in bad-faith. Biden's old and not very dynamic, but all this conservative talking-point stuff of him being too decrepit for the job is so obviously pure projection. Trump is clearly a physical and mental wreck.

 

[fskimospy]

No, you are not alone. I am not happy with everything Trump does / says, but I refuse to vote for a Trojan Horse candidate. I don't think Joe would last a year before they dump him with the 25th amendment. Nancy is already warming it up.

It’s weird that you’re justifying your vote for Trump based on the fact that you don’t understand how the 25th amendment works, lol. It would be impossible for Congress to dump Biden for Harris unless Republicans join with Democrats to do this.

 

[brycejones]

I don't think Joe would last a year before they dump him with the 25th amendment. Nancy is already warming it up.

Your evidence is?

 

[fskimospy]

I can see Biden potentially being a one-term President before packing it in to make way for Harris to run, but to speak of the 25th amendment given the state of the current incumbent is clearly in bad-faith. Biden's old and not very dynamic, but all this conservative talking-point stuff of him being too decrepit for the job is so obviously pure projection.

I did find it funny that earlier this year the Republican talking point was that Biden was crippled by dementia right up until he cleaned Trump’s clock at the debates, at which point they started arguing that the dementia patient had memorized all the questions ahead of time, hahaha.

Anyone who thinks Biden could be involuntarily removed by Nancy Pelosi doesn’t know how the 25th amendment works. Anyone who thinks Biden is running for president in order to immediately hand off the office to Kamala Harris is delusional.

 

[Paratus]

I did find it funny that earlier this year the Republican talking point was that Biden was crippled by dementia right up until he cleaned Trump’s clock at the debates, at which point they started arguing that the dementia patient had memorized all the questions ahead of time, hahaha.

Anyone who thinks Biden could be involuntarily removed by Nancy Pelosi doesn’t know how the 25th amendment works. Anyone who thinks Biden is running for president in order to immediately hand off the office to Kamala Harris is delusional.

And if she did become President so what? What’s going to happen? Riots, a quarter million dead, massive job loss, being beholden to foreign interests? None of those are currently dealbreakers.

So WTF is she a “Trojan horse” for?

Is she going to force small businesses to be transgendered?

 

[JD50]

And if she did become President so what? What’s going to happen? Riots, a quarter million dead, massive job loss, being beholden to foreign interests? None of those are currently dealbreakers.

So WTF is she a “Trojan horse” for?

Is she going to force small businesses to be transgendered?

Haven't you heard? She's the most liberal member of congress, even more liberal than Bernie!

 

[K1052]

And if she did become President so what? What’s going to happen? Riots, a quarter million dead, massive job loss, being beholden to foreign interests? None of those are currently dealbreakers.

So WTF is she a “Trojan horse” for?

Is she going to force small businesses to be transgendered?

They claim she is a radical socialist which...lol. Kamala Harris is about as much a radical socialist as Trump is a health expert.

 

[fskimospy]

And if she did become President so what? What’s going to happen? Riots, a quarter million dead, massive job loss, being beholden to foreign interests? None of those are currently dealbreakers.

So WTF is she a “Trojan horse” for?

Is she going to force small businesses to be transgendered?

I was thinking yesterday about how quickly republicans normalized the utter catastrophe of the last four years and have decided that democrats would still be worse.

Think back to November 2016. Things in America weren’t GREAT, but they were generally okay. After four years of Donald Trump we are facing a quarter million dead from a plague, economic calamity, impeachment because he was trying to extort foreign leaders to illegally help him win this election, people boarding up their shops to protect them from social unrest, and more.

Amazing how partisanship is so strong for some people that they see a disaster of this magnitude and would rather it continue than admit they made a mistake.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If Donald Trump doesn't get the full 270 needed to win, and the SC blocks Biden from getting 270, then the election goes to the House. The Twelfth Amendment says:

Even with this court and charged political climate, I do not believe that Electoral College votes would be denied directly or otherwise to take such action.

 

[eelw]

I can see Biden potentially being a one-term President before packing it in to make way for Harris to run, but to speak of the 25th amendment given the state of the current incumbent is clearly in bad-faith. Biden's old and not very dynamic, but all this conservative talking-point stuff of him being too decrepit for the job is so obviously pure projection. Trump is clearly a physical and mental wreck.

Well a butt kissing party protecting him helped

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, to be fair, technical websites (which Anandtech is) tends to attract smarter, clearer thinking people to it's ranks. So I guess it makes sense that most the members here are Democrats.

The downside of that is the number of ignorant and unintelligent tend to flock to Trump and there's a whole lot of those. Hopefully they'll drink themselves into a stupor on cheap beer and forget to vote.

 

[Paratus]

They claim she is a radical socialist which...lol. Kamala Harris is about as much a radical socialist as Trump is a health expert.

I’m always trying to figure out what makes a “radical socialist” scary.

Is it the worry that the debt will soar so others might get an education or healthcare who “don’t deserve it” instead of going to pay businesses and billionaires?

Is it that others who “don’t deserve it” might be treated equally under the law?

It’s just seems like parents threatening kids with the bogey man. Better vote Republican or Hilliary Clinton and AOC will get you!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No, you are not alone. I am not happy with everything Trump does / says, but I refuse to vote for a Trojan Horse candidate. I don't think Joe would last a year before they dump him with the 25th amendment. Nancy is already warming it up.

I think it's wrong to put Trump back in office but your vote is your vote.

 

[fskimospy]

I’m always trying to figure out what makes a “radical socialist” scary.

Is it the worry that the debt will soar so others might get an education or healthcare who “don’t deserve it” instead of going to pay businesses and billionaires?

Is it that others who “don’t deserve it” might be treated equally under the law?

It’s just seems like parents threatening kids with the bogey man. Better vote Republican or Hilliary Clinton and AOC will get you!

If I remember right research indicates that the more ethnically/socially heterogeneous a society is the less support there is for social welfare programs, probably due to in group/out group dynamics.

So yeah, I think you're basically right that it's 'the others'. You can cross off the debt part though, they don't care about the debt.

 

[Paratus]

I was thinking yesterday about how quickly republicans normalized the utter catastrophe of the last four years and have decided that democrats would still be worse.

Think back to November 2016. Things in America weren’t GREAT, but they were generally okay. After four years of Donald Trump we are facing a quarter million dead from a plague, economic calamity, impeachment because he was trying to extort foreign leaders to illegally help him win this election, people boarding up their shops to protect them from social unrest, and more.

Amazing how partisanship is so strong for some people that they see a disaster of this magnitude and would rather it continue than admit they made a mistake.

I can only surmise the fear in their heads about what could happen is worse than what is happening.

“Why we would turn into Soviet Russia, (not cool Putin Russia), bare grocery shelves and having to ration toilet paper!”

 

[fskimospy]

I can only surmise the fear in their heads about what could happen is worse than what is happening.

“Why we would turn into Soviet Russia, (not cool Putin Russia), bare grocery shelves and having to ration toilet paper!”

In my experience with extreme conservatives from my hometown it is kind of more insane than that. My friend who I have previously mentioned (a conservative evangelical voting for Biden) told me about a recent conversation with her mom.

Basically, her mom spent all the Obama years saying how the various problems the country had were due to Obama being a terrible president or whatever. When my friend pointed out that things are so, so much worse now her mom's response was that things were only bad because Trump is so good, and Satan is pulling out all the stops to defeat him. I'm not kidding - this was a real conversation and her mom is not alone in that opinion.

So what do they think will happen? Nothing in particular, they will just consider things to be bad because the 'bad person' is in charge and will do whatever mental gymnastics are necessary to get there. Similarly if catastrophe continues in a second Trump term it will be the fault of Satan, or the Democrats, or whoever.

 

[Greenman]

If I remember right research indicates that the more ethnically/socially heterogeneous a society is the less support there is for social welfare programs, probably due to in group/out group dynamics.

So yeah, I think you're basically right that it's 'the others'. You can cross off the debt part though, they don't care about the debt.

Where has socialisms worked with a diverse population? The only place that comes to mind is the UK, but the diversity came after the socialism, and it looks like that lead (at least in part) to brexit.

 

[fskimospy]

Where has socialisms worked with a diverse population? The only place that comes to mind is the UK, but the diversity came after the socialism, and it looks like that lead (at least in part) to brexit.

How are you defining socialism, 'working', and diverse?

For example what the US has today is even more socialist than what US conservatives described as socialism in the 1950's and it's generally worked just fine. What I imagine you would consider 'socialism' today is a Nordic style welfare state and those clearly work fine - better than our system.

It is not that social welfare states break down in the face of diversity, it's that they are never implemented to begin with.

I would also note that shorthand for what I was talking about is 'racism' and so it would be interesting for conservatives to start arguing that the US is too racist for the social welfare state considering their repeated claims to the contrary.