The New Face of PC Gaming

[thilanliyan]

http://www.industrygamers.com/...new-face-of-pc-gaming/

 

[Markbnj]

Pretty interesting, and not much there to disagree with.

 

[Mide]

Yeah not too shabby of an article

 

[Anubis]

sorry but peggle and stupid online flash games are not PC gaming 99% of women are not PC gamers

 

[Soundmanred]

Originally posted by: Anubis
sorry but peggle and stupid online flash games are not PC gaming 99% of women are not PC gamers

What's your angle here? Do you hate women or just plain angry?
Games played on a PC = PC game.
Do you argue that Wii players aren't gamers either?
I've heard that nutcase belief as well.

 

[Barfo]

Originally posted by: Soundmanred

Originally posted by: Anubis
sorry but peggle and stupid online flash games are not PC gaming 99% of women are not PC gamers

What's your angle here? Do you hate women or just plain angry?
Games played on a PC = PC game.
Do you argue that Wii players aren't gamers either?
I've heard that nutcase belief as well.

Yeah, I guess the guys behind games like bejeweled make huge profits without the investment needed to make a game like Crysis.

 

[Koudelka]

Originally posted by: Anubis
sorry but peggle and stupid online flash games are not PC gaming 99% of women are not PC gamers

Technically, if you include flash f2p games, women make up a much higher % of gamers than men. But yes, normally we dont include or think about it that way.


Also.. on the whole Indie section.. its surprising they do not mention Counter-Strike. Most likely the most popular Indie game ever created. As it started off as a random nobodies mod for Half-Life, and is now the most popular online FPS for a decade running almost.

 

[PingSpike]

I like the montage at the time. Some nerds with huge grins on their face in a dark room playing a game, across from from an extremely bored looking mom in her pajamas playing what I assume is bejeweled on the living room floor.

 

[EnzoLT]

very nice article indeed. agreed with pretty much all of them

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: Soundmanred

Originally posted by: Anubis
sorry but peggle and stupid online flash games are not PC gaming 99% of women are not PC gamers

What's your angle here? Do you hate women or just plain angry?
Games played on a PC = PC game.
Do you argue that Wii players aren't gamers either?
I've heard that nutcase belief as well.

Yes? Everyone I know who has bought a Wii eventually sold it because there were no games to play on it. It's as much a game system as a DVD player can be called a babysitter.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Yes? Everyone I know who has bought a Wii eventually sold it because there were no games to play on it.

Ignoring most of the shovelware, MarioKart and SmashBros alone are enough to keep it around for when friends come over IMO. Titles like Metroid, Zelda, Mario, etc aren't too bad either. I sure as hell wouldn't want it as a primary gaming system, but it easily has enough exclusive good games to justify owning it.

 

[Malladine]

i'll read the article first

 

[paperfist]

Originally posted by: Barfo

Originally posted by: Soundmanred

Originally posted by: Anubis
sorry but peggle and stupid online flash games are not PC gaming 99% of women are not PC gamers

What's your angle here? Do you hate women or just plain angry?
Games played on a PC = PC game.
Do you argue that Wii players aren't gamers either?
I've heard that nutcase belief as well.

Yeah, I guess the guys behind games like bejeweled make huge profits without the investment needed to make a game like Crysis.

See that makes no sense to me.

What do we hear 99% of the time from the 'big' PC game makers? Something along the lines of we can't support the PC anymore because we lose 80% of our sales to piracy.

So how in the world can a game like bejeweled and the rest of the 'indie' games talked about in that article which have no real form of copy protection make 'huge profits'?

Also, I take issue with this from the article, "This market is still there... but the numbers are not what they once were.". I'd like to see some numbers backing that up and I'd really, really like to see piracy numbers and not someone emulating Obama and pulling numbers from the sky

That said I tend to agree with what it says where PC gaming is headed. To be honest I'm enjoying PC gaming again playing these types of inventive games. It's not much different then how the PC started anyway. We had really cool, innovative games that boasted more brains then beauty. Today we have the opposite and it's getting tiresome for me to buy a $300 GPU every other year to play something that looks sweet, but can't hold my attention because the controls or AI is regressing.

And to me that's the big thing with PC games, they are regressive. How many times do you see the 2nd and 3rd versions of a game look better, but play worse? How many times do get the 2nd version of the game and find out it's now missing maps and weapons that it had in the 1st version? It's a pretty lame way to do things.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Anubis
sorry but peggle and stupid online flash games are not PC gaming 99% of women are not PC gamers

Why is Peggle not PC gaming? It is a video game that you play on the computer. Just because you don't like a game it becomes not true "PC gaming"?

Peggle has one numerous awards, sold many copies, and has been downloaded more than 50 million times. It has an 85 on metacritic and causes major sales wherever they bring it.

I'd like to see what you think is true "PC gaming".

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: Soundmanred

Originally posted by: Anubis
sorry but peggle and stupid online flash games are not PC gaming 99% of women are not PC gamers

What's your angle here? Do you hate women or just plain angry?
Games played on a PC = PC game.
Do you argue that Wii players aren't gamers either?
I've heard that nutcase belief as well.

Yes? Everyone I know who has bought a Wii eventually sold it because there were no games to play on it. It's as much a game system as a DVD player can be called a babysitter.

OK troll, lets talk about this for a second. The Wii has had more entertaining, quality exclusives in its years of existence than the PC has. What games has the PC released in the last couple years that compete with Super Mario Galaxy, Zack and Wiki, Twilight Princess, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, etc?

Just because you don't like the game system or the games on it doesn't mean that people who play games on it aren't "gamers". What is with you elitist assholes?

If someone plays games, any games, they are a "gamer". Stop trying to hand onto this term like it is some holy grail that describes your life. Anyone who plays games is a gamer, not just people who play games you don't like.

I own every platform, and I would have to say that over the past couple years the Wii has given me more valuable exclusives than the PC has.

EDIT: Also your anecdotal evidence is silly. Just to counter it, everyone I know who has bought a Wii hasn't sold it. :roll:

 

[BenSkywalker]

So how in the world can a game like bejeweled and the rest of the 'indie' games talked about in that article which have no real form of copy protection make 'huge profits'?

A game like Bejeweled probably has a development cost of around $200K, if they make $400K in ad revenue off of the on line version of the game they are doubling their money before you take in any purchase revenue at all. In order for a game like say Crysis to make a comparable ROI percentage wise it would probably need to sell around 3-4Million copies at full retail. On a realistic basis Bejeweled has likely made several million in total revenue offerng utterly insane ROI based on a percentage basis- this is something accountant types drool over.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: paperfist

Originally posted by: Barfo

Originally posted by: Soundmanred

Originally posted by: Anubis
sorry but peggle and stupid online flash games are not PC gaming 99% of women are not PC gamers

What's your angle here? Do you hate women or just plain angry?
Games played on a PC = PC game.
Do you argue that Wii players aren't gamers either?
I've heard that nutcase belief as well.

Yeah, I guess the guys behind games like bejeweled make huge profits without the investment needed to make a game like Crysis.

See that makes no sense to me.

What do we hear 99% of the time from the 'big' PC game makers? Something along the lines of we can't support the PC anymore because we lose 80% of our sales to piracy.

So how in the world can a game like bejeweled and the rest of the 'indie' games talked about in that article which have no real form of copy protection make 'huge profits'?

Probably because the targeted audience is the type that doesn't deal with pirating. It is a casual game, and the casual audience tends to not be pirates.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: Dumac

The Wii has had more entertaining, quality exclusives in its years of existence than the PC has. What games has the PC released in the last couple years that compete with Super Mario Galaxy, Zack and Wiki, Twilight Princess, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, etc?

This is all pointless subjective chatter...but to contribute my own voice I contend that you can't possibly have played all PC games released since the wii arrived. Reviews from gamespot don't count. Honest
But that's cool you've found more enjoyment out of your wii than on the PC. Good for you.

Just so it's clear, nothing's gonna come from everyone steadfastly holding that their own opinions are worth more than anyone elses.

edit: I do see your point about Anubis though. He is elitist about his gaming, from everything i've read.

Each to his/her own though! :beer:

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: Dumac

The Wii has had more entertaining, quality exclusives in its years of existence than the PC has. What games has the PC released in the last couple years that compete with Super Mario Galaxy, Zack and Wiki, Twilight Princess, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, etc?

This is all pointless subjective chatter...but to contribute my own voice I contend that you can't possibly have played all PC games released since the wii arrived. Reviews from gamespot don't count. Honest
But that's cool you've found more enjoyment out of your wii than on the PC. Good for you.

Just so it's clear, nothing's gonna come from everyone steadfastly holding that their own opinions are worth more than anyone elses.

edit: I do see your point about Anubis though. He is elitist about his gaming, from everything i've read.

Each to his/her own though! :beer:

And no one here has played all the games on the Wii either.

I don't play every game. I try to only play the good ones

Which the PC has been lacking lately....

 

[Malladine]

I guess I somewhat agree with that. I blame obsession with graphics...

That said, there are quite a few titles i'm looking forward to though, on PC that is.

I do own a wii but haven't managed to get into any game for it except for mario kart, which i played to death.

 

[paperfist]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: paperfist

Originally posted by: Barfo

Originally posted by: Soundmanred

Originally posted by: Anubis
sorry but peggle and stupid online flash games are not PC gaming 99% of women are not PC gamers

What's your angle here? Do you hate women or just plain angry?
Games played on a PC = PC game.
Do you argue that Wii players aren't gamers either?
I've heard that nutcase belief as well.

Yeah, I guess the guys behind games like bejeweled make huge profits without the investment needed to make a game like Crysis.

See that makes no sense to me.

What do we hear 99% of the time from the 'big' PC game makers? Something along the lines of we can't support the PC anymore because we lose 80% of our sales to piracy.

So how in the world can a game like bejeweled and the rest of the 'indie' games talked about in that article which have no real form of copy protection make 'huge profits'?

Probably because the targeted audience is the type that doesn't deal with pirating. It is a casual game, and the casual audience tends to not be pirates.

Nah I remember the World of Goo people saying piracy was high. I'm not sure there's any such thing as a casual gamer anymore at least not someone who would even know about something like peggle.

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

So how in the world can a game like bejeweled and the rest of the 'indie' games talked about in that article which have no real form of copy protection make 'huge profits'?

A game like Bejeweled probably has a development cost of around $200K, if they make $400K in ad revenue off of the on line version of the game they are doubling their money before you take in any purchase revenue at all. In order for a game like say Crysis to make a comparable ROI percentage wise it would probably need to sell around 3-4Million copies at full retail. On a realistic basis Bejeweled has likely made several million in total revenue offerng utterly insane ROI based on a percentage basis- this is something accountant types drool over.

Bah you got me on the number crunching

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: paperfist

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: paperfist

Originally posted by: Barfo

Originally posted by: Soundmanred

Originally posted by: Anubis
sorry but peggle and stupid online flash games are not PC gaming 99% of women are not PC gamers

What's your angle here? Do you hate women or just plain angry?
Games played on a PC = PC game.
Do you argue that Wii players aren't gamers either?
I've heard that nutcase belief as well.

Yeah, I guess the guys behind games like bejeweled make huge profits without the investment needed to make a game like Crysis.

See that makes no sense to me.

What do we hear 99% of the time from the 'big' PC game makers? Something along the lines of we can't support the PC anymore because we lose 80% of our sales to piracy.

So how in the world can a game like bejeweled and the rest of the 'indie' games talked about in that article which have no real form of copy protection make 'huge profits'?

Probably because the targeted audience is the type that doesn't deal with pirating. It is a casual game, and the casual audience tends to not be pirates.

Nah I remember the World of Goo people saying piracy was high. I'm not sure there's any such thing as a casual gamer anymore at least not someone who would even know about something like peggle.

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

So how in the world can a game like bejeweled and the rest of the 'indie' games talked about in that article which have no real form of copy protection make 'huge profits'?

A game like Bejeweled probably has a development cost of around $200K, if they make $400K in ad revenue off of the on line version of the game they are doubling their money before you take in any purchase revenue at all. In order for a game like say Crysis to make a comparable ROI percentage wise it would probably need to sell around 3-4Million copies at full retail. On a realistic basis Bejeweled has likely made several million in total revenue offerng utterly insane ROI based on a percentage basis- this is something accountant types drool over.

Bah you got me on the number crunching

Casual and Indie games are a bit different. Popcap is the epitome of casual gaming. People like my mom and uncle player Popcap games, and I don't think they even know what pirating is.

On the other hand, indie games attract the attention of more tech-savvy folks. I can't imagine my mom playing a game like World of Goo; it isn't really that casual and the indie scene just isn't her style. But less casual gamers might be interested, and therefore pirate it.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: Dumac
EDIT: Also your anecdotal evidence is silly. Just to counter it, everyone I know who has bought a Wii hasn't sold it. :roll:

Same here. Most of my adults-with-kids friends have a Wii as their primary gaming system as well. I'm the oddball that owns all three current-gen systems and a very nice gaming PC too.

I just got my XBox 360, so I only have 8 games for it, but I have 15-20 games for each of my other systems. My Wii gets slightly more attention for playing actual games, but my PS3 gets the most usage between games, music, and digital video playback; the time spent actually gaming on it is a very close 2nd place to the Wii. The 360 and my PC are about equal and in 3rd place for my time logged playing games.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: Dumac
EDIT: Also your anecdotal evidence is silly. Just to counter it, everyone I know who has bought a Wii hasn't sold it. :roll:

Same here. Most of my adults-with-kids friends have a Wii as their primary gaming system as well. I'm the oddball that owns all three current-gen systems and a very nice gaming PC too.

I just got my XBox 360, so I only have 8 games for it, but I have 15-20 games for each of my other systems. My Wii gets slightly more attention for playing actual games, but my PS3 gets the most usage between games, music, and digital video playback; the time spent actually gaming on it is a very close 2nd place to the Wii. The 360 and my PC are about equal and in 3rd place for my time logged playing games.

More or less my situation (sadly, minus the Play and the Xbox). Resident Evil 4 on the Wii is hard to beat.

 

[imported_oreca]

I agree... nowadays it seems to be all about graphics. Gameplay takes a backseat when it comes to how people rate a game.

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