The New Argentinian President Deserves His Own Thread

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Perknose

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They got what they wanted. good luck to them. They deserve what they voted for .
Except the entire world -- politically and economically -- is intertwined and interconnected.

For all of you here who love memes, Argentina going further down the tubes is a hell of a lot more than a butterfly burping.
 

KMFJD

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Except the entire world -- politically and economically -- is intertwined and interconnected.

For all of you here who love memes, Argentina going further down the tubes is a hell of a lot more than a butterfly burping.
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Warning from Colombia's president...

i urge anyone interested in why Latin America is such a fucked up place to read or listen to Open Veins Of Latin America, it's over 50 years old now.

 
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Warning from Colombia's president...

i urge anyone interested in why Latin America is such a fucked up place to read or listen to Open Veins Of Latin America, it's over 50 years old now.

One difference in Argentina is that the young are more likely to vote Milei. Don't know if its more of a protest vote by choosing an outsider even if he seems crazy or if they are more neoliberal in their outlook.
 
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KMFJD

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devalued their currency from 350'ish to 800 sole to the dollar

~promised not to renew the contracts of public employees who have been in their posts for less than one year, and announced increases in the prices of basic services and public transportation.

~This week, prices in supermarkets have risen by up to 40% after the end of the freeze on costs for basic groceries promoted by Peronism, while the price of fuels has increased by at least 30%.


A winning combination
 
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Vic

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The "anti-globalist libertarian nationalist" slashed his country's currency in order to satisfy the IMF.
Political leaders either promise bread or circus, but rarely both. And Milei is all circus.
 

JEDI

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The "anti-globalist libertarian nationalist" slashed his country's currency in order to satisfy the IMF.
Political leaders either promise bread or circus, but rarely both. And Milei is all circus.
Why does de-valuing the peso by 50% satisfy the IMF?
Won't re-payments to IMF loans be worth 50% less?
 

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devalued their currency from 350'ish to 800 sole to the dollar

~promised not to renew the contracts of public employees who have been in their posts for less than one year, and announced increases in the prices of basic services and public transportation.

~This week, prices in supermarkets have risen by up to 40% after the end of the freeze on costs for basic groceries promoted by Peronism, while the price of fuels has increased by at least 30%.


A winning combination
When i was in Argentina earlier this year, the street money exchangers (ie: cambios) were giving around double the official exchange rate for new $100 US bills.

so $1 USD now gets you 1600 pesos with the Cambio people? :eek:
 

JEDI

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The repayments are paid in dollars not pesos.
if the re-payments are in usd, then why does the imf care what the peso is worth?
why does de-valuing satisfy the imf?

and wont devaluing their own currency make the payments cost double since they have to buy USD?
 

Vic

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if the re-payments are in usd, then why does the imf care what the peso is worth?
why does de-valuing satisfy the imf?

and wont devaluing their own currency make the payments cost double since they have to buy USD?
Yes, that's the whole point. Argentina is a poor credit risk so the IMF wants to accelerate repayments.
 

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Yes, that's the whole point. Argentina is a poor credit risk so the IMF wants to accelerate repayments.
how does de-valuing their own peso by 50% accelerate payments?
To me, it just seems it makes i t more expensive to for Argentina to buy usd?
 

Vic

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how does de-valuing their own peso by 50% accelerate payments?
To me, it just seems it makes i t more expensive to for Argentina to buy usd?
Yes, it now takes twice as many pesos for Argentina to repay its debts to the IMF.
 

KMFJD

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Ah the Pinochet method of governance


Protesting individuals and organizations will be identified with “video, digital or manual means” – and then billed for the cost of sending security forces to police their demonstrations, said Milei’s security minister, Patricia Bullrich, as she announced the new protocol on Thursday.

“What Bullrich announced is absolutely unconstitutional … The right to protest is the first of all rights.”

José Luis Espert, a legislator in Bullrich’s Together for Change alliance, which is in coalition with Milei’s Liberty Advances party, replied with a three-word phrase: “Prison or bullet.”

will they be sending them the bill for the bullets used as well?
 

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Yes, it now takes twice as many pesos for Argentina to repay its debts to the IMF.
but if the imf takes usd, what does it matter that to them that it takes twice as many pesos to buy usd?
 

Vic

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but if the imf takes usd, what does it matter that to them that it takes twice as many pesos to buy usd?
No offense, but I'm not here to educate you on basic economic principles, much less common sense.
 
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cytg111

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Protesting individuals and organizations will be identified with “video, digital or manual means” – and then billed for the cost of sending security forces to police their demonstrations, said Milei’s security minister, Patricia Bullrich, as she announced the new protocol on Thursday.

“What Bullrich announced is absolutely unconstitutional … The right to protest is the first of all rights.”

José Luis Espert, a legislator in Bullrich’s Together for Change alliance, which is in coalition with Milei’s Liberty Advances party, replied with a three-word phrase: “Prison or bullet.”

will they be sending them the bill for the bullets used as well?

Not as much sliding as a free fall from democracy.
 
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IronWing

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Yes, it now takes twice as many pesos for Argentina to repay its debts to the IMF.
It doesn't take any pesos to repay the IMF; it takes dollars. Devaluing the peso does two things. First it makes Argentina's exports cheaper so there is an expectation that foreigners will buy more Argentinian goods. To do so, they will have to buy pesos with dollars so more dollars enter the country. The second is that it makes foreign goods more expensive (unaffordable) so fewer dollars leave the country. Argentina can use the dollars to pay back the IMF. The end result is a lower standard of living in Argentina. This is why Bolivians threw out their corrupt government when it secretly took out a loan from the IMF. IMF loans f' over the recipients.