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The N30 will be on time!!!!
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100 days to production from tape out is optimistic, but nvidia has pulled off similar feats (though not quite on this scale). so lets say that it taped out today. 100 days is just over 3 months. so you've got sept 9 is 31 days, october 9 is 61 days, nov 9 is 92 days, nov 17 is full production. by the time they hit shelves they'll be ~3 before xmas. thats with an optimistic view.
and thats if TSMC can get .13 working well enough that nvidia can debug their silicon and then have decent yields for production.
and thats if TSMC can get .13 working well enough that nvidia can debug their silicon and then have decent yields for production.
umm, they haven't gotten it right for like 3 years, why would they fix it with this 3-4 month "lead"????
Maybe ALL systems DON'T have driver issues, but MY past experiences with ATi have been aweful. Bad to the point that I can't even consider spending big dollars on their new top o the line card. My big money will go to Nvidia, no matter when the card comes out. I don't need the damn thing untill DOOM III anyway.
oh, and as for nvidia drivers being all that and a bag of chips, when i bought my GF3Ti200 i couldn't even use the drivers that came with it to play the game i bought the card to play. dark age of camelot got screwed by the det 4 drivers. i had to hack together my own drivers using bits and pieces of the det 4s and the det 12.xx drivers to keep from having incredible errors. game worked completely fine using the 12s.
I avoid NVidia cards like the plague. Any chip manufacturer that is to lazy to mandate high 2D video quality from ALL of its card makers should not have the right to sell cards at anything near what NVidia charges. Imagine - you could spend $300 on an NVidia card that can't run 1600x1200x85Hz on a 19inch monitor worth a rat's @ass. I like to run high res on a large monitor and spend alot of time in Windows - fact of the matter is that every Matrox, 3dfx, and ATI card I have ever run were excellent - both NVidia cards I have had were blurry. I will not be burned 3 times by these laggards.
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RaynorWolfcastle
Diamond Member
(word to the wise, when making overly general comments, check spelling first) 😉
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CrazySaint
Platinum Member
Originally posted by: icecool83
(word to the wise, when making overly general comments, check spelling first) 😉
-Ice
Perhaps he really meant that we're all swimming around in a river in Egypt 😉
OneOfTheseDays
Diamond Member
anyone claiming ATi's dvd performance is significantly better than Nvidias is actually quite incorrect. The 8500's have a problem with dark gamma and blotchiness, this is described in detail over at the rage3d forums, whereas the nvidia output is error free. Also, ati's dvd player is buggy as hell and very featureless compared to more robust software players like Power or WinDVD.
Ati's driver setup is even worse, having to dl two separate files for both the control panel and drivers is a mess. Also, they put all the tabs right in the properties menu which makes things very messy. Nvidia at least puts its tabs all nice and tidy.
TV-OUT on the Radeon 8500's is also very buggy. At 640X480 the output is very nice, but if you bump it up to 800X600 there is a washed out effect that occurs across the entire image.
Also, my card has trouble waking up out of sleep mode and it will just give me a blank screen.
Having used both cards, i can say that Nvidia's drivers are above and beyond anything that Ati has put out to date. I can only hope ATI's future cards can achieve the level of stability and ease that I have had with Nvidia's drivers.
Ati's driver setup is even worse, having to dl two separate files for both the control panel and drivers is a mess. Also, they put all the tabs right in the properties menu which makes things very messy. Nvidia at least puts its tabs all nice and tidy.
TV-OUT on the Radeon 8500's is also very buggy. At 640X480 the output is very nice, but if you bump it up to 800X600 there is a washed out effect that occurs across the entire image.
Also, my card has trouble waking up out of sleep mode and it will just give me a blank screen.
Having used both cards, i can say that Nvidia's drivers are above and beyond anything that Ati has put out to date. I can only hope ATI's future cards can achieve the level of stability and ease that I have had with Nvidia's drivers.
Actually, you are wrong. It's well known that the Rage Theater chip used in all the Radeon cards has much better DVD output than any of the Nvidia cards. I have both, use both, and the Radeon's output is much better than the output on my GF3. I don't use ATI's player, but I do use Power DVD 4 (XP) and the difference is quite noticable to me.
That's strictly your opinion. It's not hard to install the drivers and the control panel, and the control panel isn't even technically needed. If you just install the driver, everything works fine, you just don't get the advanced tweaking options in the display properties. I personally prefer the way ATI does it over Nvidia's way of having to click on a specific tab, then a "Advanced Setup" button, then find the right tab in that sub-menu, then change the setting. Just because ATI puts all the tabs right there instead of hiding them in sub menu's doesn't mean it's "messy".
Install drivers, reboot. Install Control Panel, reboot....pretty tough!
Works fine for me @ 640x480 and 800 x 600 on my Panasonic SF TV...you might want to get your card looked at..
Hmm..every morning when I come home from work, mine comes out of sleep mode just fine...sounds like something is screwy on your system...
The Catalyst drivers are just as stable, easy to use, and actually offer much more tweaking options than the Detonator's I use on my GF3. Sounds like you have had a bad experience, but that doesn't mean everyone else has...
Oh, one other thing...why is almost every post you make so negative?
CrazySaint
Platinum Member
And I ask you, why should I care about a four year old video card? That's kinda like saying Intel sucks because some of the Pentiums had difficulty performaing certain mathematic calculations.
the radeon isnt bad, it just sucked when it first came out. just like every ATI card. my first ATI card admittedly was an ATI rageII+ expression pc2tv. it worked fine, because it was 2 years old.
2nd ati card i had was an ati rage128 gl. that card was good on paper but drivers for it didnt get good until about a year later, at which point the geforce was already out.
the r300 will probably be not as bad, because ATI knows they have to fix their reputation. but the nv30 is going to be faster, and for only 2 more months wait, most people will not buy the ATI unless they really just have money to burn.
2nd ati card i had was an ati rage128 gl. that card was good on paper but drivers for it didnt get good until about a year later, at which point the geforce was already out.
the r300 will probably be not as bad, because ATI knows they have to fix their reputation. but the nv30 is going to be faster, and for only 2 more months wait, most people will not buy the ATI unless they really just have money to burn.
Can for example say an xpert 98 work in winXP? It would be awesome if it could but I remember when there werent even 2k drivers for that card...
Its not that I'm saying intel sucks becuase there first pentium chips suck that would be quite ignorant. hell amd would be the depths of golgotha if that were the case, there earlier chips were completely horrible. Its not really about ATI's 4 year old products its about there driver commitment to them.
I should have been more clear, when I said (1) driver, I ment (1) driver ONLY. not 1 driver out of the 100 or so to choose from. just ONE. like the dets.
damn this thread got way off topic hehe,
Its not that I'm saying intel sucks becuase there first pentium chips suck that would be quite ignorant. hell amd would be the depths of golgotha if that were the case, there earlier chips were completely horrible. Its not really about ATI's 4 year old products its about there driver commitment to them.
I should have been more clear, when I said (1) driver, I ment (1) driver ONLY. not 1 driver out of the 100 or so to choose from. just ONE. like the dets.
damn this thread got way off topic hehe,
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