Extelleron
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Good luck sending an aircraft like the A-10 into a "real" conflict facing sophisticated SAM and enemy fighters.
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Good luck sending an aircraft like the A-10 into a "real" conflict facing sophisticated SAM and enemy fighters.
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Good luck sending an aircraft like the A-10 into a "real" conflict facing sophisticated SAM and enemy fighters.
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Good luck sending an aircraft like the A-10 into a "real" conflict facing sophisticated SAM and enemy fighters.
Do you know what the definition of "Close Air Support" is?
If not I suggest you look it up.
Originally posted by: BouZouki
I like how the F-22 looks better.
The F-35 has a better price tag though.
Are they equal in performance?
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Good luck sending an aircraft like the A-10 into a "real" conflict facing sophisticated SAM and enemy fighters.
Do you know what the definition of "Close Air Support" is?
If not I suggest you look it up.
It's supporting infantry, tanks, etc on the battlefield.
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Good luck sending an aircraft like the A-10 into a "real" conflict facing sophisticated SAM and enemy fighters.
Originally posted by: Craig234
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone.
It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.
It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.
It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.
It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.
We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat.
We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.
This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron...
As progress in all these areas strengthens world trust, we could proceed concurrently with the next great work-the reduction of the burden of armaments now weighing upon the world. To this end we would welcome and enter into the most solemn agreements. These could properly include:
1. The limitation, by absolute numbers or by an agreed international ratio, of the sizes of the military and security forces of all nations.
2. A commitment by all nations to set an agreed limit upon that proportion of total production of certain strategic materials to be devoted to military purposes.
3. International control of atomic energy to promote its use for peaceful purposes only and to insure the prohibition of atomic weapons.
4. A limitation or prohibition of other categories of weapons of great destructiveness.
5. The enforcement of all these agreed limitations and prohibitions by adequate safeguards,including a practical system of inspection under the United Nations.
The details of such disarmament programs are manifestly critical and complex. Neither theUnited States nor any other nation can properly claim to possess a perfect, immutable formula. But the formula matters less than the faith-the good faith without which no formula can work justly and effectively.
The fruit of success in all these tasks would present the world with the greatest task, and the greatest opportunity, of all. It is this: the dedication of the energies, the resources, and the imaginations of all peaceful nations to a new kind of war. This would be a declared total war, not upon any human enemy but upon the brute forces of poverty and need.
The peace we seek, founded upon decent trust and cooperative effort among nations, can be fortified, not by weapons of war but by wheat and by cotton, by milk and by wool, by meat and by timber and by rice. These are words that translate into every language on earth. These are needs that challenge this world in arms.
- President Eisenhower
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Good luck sending an aircraft like the A-10 into a "real" conflict facing sophisticated SAM and enemy fighters.
Do you know what the definition of "Close Air Support" is?
If not I suggest you look it up.
It's supporting infantry, tanks, etc on the battlefield.
So what does that have to do with SAMs and enemy fighters?
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Will enemy fighters suddenly stop flying sorties over the battlefield just because ground troops are there? How do you know that the battlefield your A10/F-35 will be on is not contested airspace?
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Building aircraft on the assumption that you will have total air supremacy is not such a wise idea.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
The a10 will always be loved by those of us on the ground; but i think the F35 can provide even more support, so i give this thread, and the F35 itself, a big thumbs-up!
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Will enemy fighters suddenly stop flying sorties over the battlefield just because ground troops are there? How do you know that the battlefield your A10/F-35 will be on is not contested airspace?
That's why the F-22 Raptors were invented.
Total airspace domination against enemy fighters.
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Building aircraft on the assumption that you will have total air supremacy is not such a wise idea.
I don't understand the logic in your statement here.
So why then did we and are we still wasting money building F-22 Raptors?
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Will enemy fighters suddenly stop flying sorties over the battlefield just because ground troops are there? How do you know that the battlefield your A10/F-35 will be on is not contested airspace?
That's why the F-22 Raptors were invented.
Total airspace domination against enemy fighters.
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Building aircraft on the assumption that you will have total air supremacy is not such a wise idea.
I don't understand the logic in your statement here.
So why then did we and are we still wasting money building F-22 Raptors?
The same camp that says not to build the F-35's says not to build F-22's either. The F-15's and A-10's are enough to them. Therefore, scratch your F-22's off the list.
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Will enemy fighters suddenly stop flying sorties over the battlefield just because ground troops are there? How do you know that the battlefield your A10/F-35 will be on is not contested airspace?
That's why the F-22 Raptors were invented.
Total airspace domination against enemy fighters.
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Building aircraft on the assumption that you will have total air supremacy is not such a wise idea.
I don't understand the logic in your statement here.
So why then did we and are we still wasting money building F-22 Raptors?
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Will enemy fighters suddenly stop flying sorties over the battlefield just because ground troops are there? How do you know that the battlefield your A10/F-35 will be on is not contested airspace?
That's why the F-22 Raptors were invented.
Total airspace domination against enemy fighters.
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Building aircraft on the assumption that you will have total air supremacy is not such a wise idea.
I don't understand the logic in your statement here.
So why then did we and are we still wasting money building F-22 Raptors?
The logic is if we butt heads with a Russia or China. It will most likely be we dont have total air superiority over the area. Just because we gained air superiority over the Iraqi's twice doesnt mean we will in the future. The F-22 is designed to give us the ability to gain air superiority but it wont gurantee it. To think we will always have it is foolish and shortsighted.
Originally posted by: Lothar
I don't believe the F-35 will overtake the F-22 in the role air to air combat performance.
Where did I say we will always have air superiority? I don't rememer ever saying that.
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: Lothar
I don't believe the F-35 will overtake the F-22 in the role air to air combat performance.
Where did I say we will always have air superiority? I don't rememer ever saying that.
The F-22 is degigned for Air Superiority Missions . . period, but may be adapeted to other performance capacities
including a version to perform as a high speed, long range bomber to deliver specific munitions on specially designated targets.
The F-35 is NOT designed to perform i the role of Air Superiority Fighter, but may have the capability to
partially perform in a back-up of assistance role to the F-22 under conditions that may arise within a combat theatre.
Many of the munitions that the F-22 carries can also be carried by the F-35, although in a smaller quantity.
Two F-35's do not equal an F-22 any more than an F-22 being the equivalent of a pair of F-35's - they have different, but overlaping, scopes.
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Given the differences between the old reliable A-10 Warthog and the new F-35, the F-35 is a much more capable machine,
designed for survival in the theatre of war - the flight station and pilot area is made of carbon fiber (graphite)
and kevlar composite and can stop 50 cal machine gun bullets cold.
Wings made of composite materials and their embedded internal structures have demonstrated the ability
to take a missle strike and absorb a large amount of damage and retain functionality of the vehicle to where the
aircraft can be safely landed for repairs, or at least to exit the theatre of warfare and reach a destination
where the pilot can evacuate the vehicle safely in an area where he can be recovered away from enemy action.
Originally posted by: Lothar
I certainly hope you're right about that and the USAF proves me wrong.
A-10 Warthogs are only $10 million a piece.