The most significant flaw of the Star Wars prequels...

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Chompman

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Chompman

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Chompman

Originally posted by: K1052
On the other hand, we now know who Luke gets his whining from.

Though Lea is he mother through and through. She will act all dignified one second, then proceed to gun down storm troopers the next.

Wait, you think Leia is Luke's mother? ....:Q

Oops.

Fixed.

Who is Lea ( Leia?) and who is she the mom of?

Leia. Padme was her mother.

I think it is about bedtime for me.

Ok, that makes sense.

I was going to say if you thought otherwise that's a excuse for us nerds to come to your house and keep you up all night shouting "Ni".

I'm a couple dozen floors up.

Do your worst.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: EpsiIon
Umm, are there spoilers in paragraph 3? Because as much as I'm annoyed at Lucas, I'm still a purist nerd at heart.

Obviously If I'm posting something to change your mind about a movie, it's going to involve something from that movie

 

[Karaktu]

Originally posted by: yllus
Hmm, you do have a point. Even from the trailer, where Kenobi screams, "You were the chosen one!" ...where did it ever seem that way? A prodigy, sure, but nothing amazing or Yoda-replacing. Boo, Lucas. Boo urns.

Of course I'll still be watching Ep III ASAP.

I actually believe Luke is the "Chosen One," or the "One Who Will Bring Balance to the Force." Anakin/Vader was just the vehicle for him to come into being and create that balance. The Jedi of the old Republic made a mistake (of which they made many in the final years of the Old Republic) assuming that it was Anakin because of his high mitochondrian????? level / Force ability.

You would have to read the books that take place after Episode VI, but basically, in the Old Republic, Jedi didn't marry, sire children or do much of anything except server the Jedi Temple and the Republic. Luke changed all that, since he was the only Master once Yoda died, and brought family and living back to the Jedi.

 

[sonambulo]

hey this reminds me. did anyone call up those assholes in line in cali and lie to them that ep3 is on the net yet? that would be some funny sihte.

 

[yoda291]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Hayden Christenson might be the biggest miscasting in movie history.

QFT

I respectfully submit Jake Lloyd as worse.

 

[WhiteKnight]

Originally posted by: Karaktu

Originally posted by: yllus
Hmm, you do have a point. Even from the trailer, where Kenobi screams, "You were the chosen one!" ...where did it ever seem that way? A prodigy, sure, but nothing amazing or Yoda-replacing. Boo, Lucas. Boo urns.

Of course I'll still be watching Ep III ASAP.

I actually believe Luke is the "Chosen One," or the "One Who Will Bring Balance to the Force." Anakin/Vader was just the vehicle for him to come into being and create that balance. The Jedi of the old Republic made a mistake (of which they made many in the final years of the Old Republic) assuming that it was Anakin because of his high mitochondrian????? level / Force ability.

You would have to read the books that take place after Episode VI, but basically, in the Old Republic, Jedi didn't marry, sire children or do much of anything except server the Jedi Temple and the Republic. Luke changed all that, since he was the only Master once Yoda died, and brought family and living back to the Jedi.

It seems to me that Anakin is the chosen one and that he does "bring balance to the force." The Jedi existed peacefully for, what, 11 bajillion years with no Sith lords around. Sounds pretty unbalanced to me. Anakin just comes in and evens out the playing field a bit.

Edit: fixed typo

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Don't forget Kenobi's quote in Episode IV, "When I first met your father, he was already the finest starpilot in the galaxy," or some crap like that. Enter Anakin in The Phantom Menace, "Let's spin, that's a good trick!"

I like how the main reactors for the ship were in the docking/launch bays too, where a ship might crash into them or be able to blast them.

Lucas needs to figure out more ways to end movies than just having main reactors blow up.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: EpsiIon
My roommate and I were discussing Star Wars today and we figured out what sucks so much about the prequels (other than the glaring acting and scripting flaws). It's really pretty obvious; I don't know why it hadn't occurred to me before.

Basically, the originals spent a lot of time setting Anakin up as a dignified, respectable jedi warrior who sort of fell from grace. They made him seem like a legend. Then we find out he's really just an annoying, whiny twit who needs a good beating. It totally destroys the Vader image.

I have no respect for the character. I don't dread his turning to the Dark Side. I look forward to it because maybe then he'll stop whining.

After that, we turned our attention to the conundrum of "why we're not getting laid".

fixed.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

Originally posted by: yllus
Hmm, you do have a point. Even from the trailer, where Kenobi screams, "You were the chosen one!" ...where did it ever seem that way? A prodigy, sure, but nothing amazing or Yoda-replacing. Boo, Lucas. Boo urns.

Of course I'll still be watching Ep III ASAP.

I was saying Boo-urns

 

[skace]

This thread just made me realize how much potential the first 2 star wars movies could have had, had they been done correctly. Argh.

 

[hevnsnt]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Hayden Christenson might be the biggest miscasting in movie history.

who?

 

[PingSpike]

I think you're right. Its played up in the original trilogy that Anakin was this mega great jedi that was lured by the dark side...but he isn't. He never really became a full blown awesome jedi, he was just Obi Wans b|tchy side kick who lacks any discipline or control. No one even seems to like or respect him, they only tolerate him because they feel bad about quin gon or whatever getting killed. Their main mistake was not spending any time building him up, so when he eventually falls its not awe inspiring...its expected. We don't see this amazing character broken...we see a weakling subcoming to his natural tendencies. Anakin turns to the dark side? You bet.

Originally posted by: Mo0o
But from what I hear Lucas redeems himself with this last movie.

Thats really not possible at this point. He's sh|t on the originals with his countless moron edits and totally blew the first two movies to varying degrees. Even if EPIII is fantastic, the best star wars movie ever made, its just not good enough to redeem him in my eyes.

 

[Tom]

How come R2-D2 can't talk ?

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Tom
How come R2-D2 can't talk ?

He can talk, he speaks droid beeps, which for some reason everyone can understand. Just like Chewy.

 

[ajskydiver]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
I think you're right. Its played up in the original trilogy that Anakin was this mega great jedi that was lured by the dark side...but he isn't. He never really became a full blown awesome jedi, he was just Obi Wans b|tchy side kick who lacks any discipline or control.

Actually, in the recent book, it is mentioned that Anakin is the great mega jedi...there are just no details about it. It mentions all of his exploits that must have happend between Ep II and III...but it's a pretty pathetic attempt at making him a "hero" so he can fall from grace.

From Ep I, he was a nice kid but just a kid. In Ep II, he was a spoiled, whiny brat jerkoff...not too much to fall from grace from IMO. More poor writing abounds in the last installment it seems (much like this post).

If his seduction by the dark side is anything like the novelization, it's pretty weak.

~AJ

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Aj_UF
Actually, in the recent book, it is mentioned that Anakin is the great mega jedi...there are just no details about it. It mentions all of his exploits that must have happend between Ep II and III...but it's a pretty pathetic attempt at making him a "hero" so he can fall from grace.

From Ep I, he was a nice kid but just a kid. In Ep II, he was a spoiled, whiny brat jerkoff...not too much to fall from grace from IMO. More poor writing abounds in the last installment it seems (much like this post).

If his seduction by the dark side is anything like the novelization, it's pretty weak.

~AJ

That's something else I'm beginning not to like about the Star Wars prequel franchise. To understand what is going on in the movies you have to read the books, see the cartoons, play the games that surround it. Gets to be a bit much.

 

[Aftermath]

Originally posted by: Karaktu

Originally posted by: yllus
Hmm, you do have a point. Even from the trailer, where Kenobi screams, "You were the chosen one!" ...where did it ever seem that way? A prodigy, sure, but nothing amazing or Yoda-replacing. Boo, Lucas. Boo urns.

Of course I'll still be watching Ep III ASAP.

I actually believe Luke is the "Chosen One," or the "One Who Will Bring Balance to the Force." Anakin/Vader was just the vehicle for him to come into being and create that balance. The Jedi of the old Republic made a mistake (of which they made many in the final years of the Old Republic) assuming that it was Anakin because of his high mitochondrian????? level / Force ability.

You would have to read the books that take place after Episode VI, but basically, in the Old Republic, Jedi didn't marry, sire children or do much of anything except server the Jedi Temple and the Republic. Luke changed all that, since he was the only Master once Yoda died, and brought family and living back to the Jedi.

I thought Darth Vader sacrificing himself to kill the Emperor, bringing an end to the Sith master/apprentice cycle, was exactly what the "Chosen One" was supposed to do. My interpretation was that the light side of the force is balance, stability, life, etc. The dark side is chaos, death, destruction, etc. Bringing "balance" to the force would mean an end to the Sith, the end which he provided in Return of the Jedi. At least that's my $.02, but I'm a Trekkie, not a SW geek.

 

[Aftermath]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Tom
How come R2-D2 can't talk ?

He can talk, he speaks droid beeps, which for some reason everyone can understand. Just like Chewy.

I don't think that's entirely true. If you notice at least in Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace, it looks like there are little screens in the cockpit of the fighters that function as a translator for the droid. Luke was conversing with R2-D2 when he changed course to head to Degobah (sp?) to see Yoda, but most of the time it sounds like they're just talking *at* their droids. Except for C-3PO and the like.

 

[ajskydiver]

Originally posted by: Queasy

That's something else I'm beginning not to like about the Star Wars prequel franchise. To understand what is going on in the movies you have to read the books, see the cartoons, play the games that surround it. Gets to be a bit much.

This was the first recent one I've ever read (I read the originals a long, long time ago when they were the only ones around) and I completely agree with you.

~AJ

 

[myusername]

My (brief because I'm at lunch) thoughts on Haydn Christensen/Anakin:
I think he did a great job of acting. Yes, he's a whiny brat, but he conveyed it very well, along with the awkward social interaction. I'm suprised that a forum of adolescents, post-adolescents, and adult-adolescents is unable to see this.

Does anyone else remember the scene where he's trying to do the whole "tell her I love her so I can get down her pants" but he isn't quite capable of pulling it off - not so much that he isn't smooth enough to do it, but that he's still internally conflicted as to whether it is "right".

While the acting was towards personal interaction rather than delusions of galaxy conquest, I felt that it was an excellent job at character development. Sure, he's never been a "good guy" as much as just an innocent kid, but contrast his child character with bloodthirsty young Boba Fett.

It actually put me in mind of the Dune miniseries, where the actor who played Paul did a magnificent job of playing the development of whiny spoiled brat to self-empowered manhood.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Aftermath

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Tom
How come R2-D2 can't talk ?

He can talk, he speaks droid beeps, which for some reason everyone can understand. Just like Chewy.

I don't think that's entirely true. If you notice at least in Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace, it looks like there are little screens in the cockpit of the fighters that function as a translator for the droid. Luke was conversing with R2-D2 when he changed course to head to Degobah (sp?) to see Yoda, but most of the time it sounds like they're just talking *at* their droids. Except for C-3PO and the like.

I suppose its open to interpretation.

 

[Skel]

Originally posted by: Karaktu

Originally posted by: yllus
Hmm, you do have a point. Even from the trailer, where Kenobi screams, "You were the chosen one!" ...where did it ever seem that way? A prodigy, sure, but nothing amazing or Yoda-replacing. Boo, Lucas. Boo urns.

Of course I'll still be watching Ep III ASAP.

I actually believe Luke is the "Chosen One," or the "One Who Will Bring Balance to the Force." Anakin/Vader was just the vehicle for him to come into being and create that balance. The Jedi of the old Republic made a mistake (of which they made many in the final years of the Old Republic) assuming that it was Anakin because of his high mitochondrian????? level / Force ability.

You would have to read the books that take place after Episode VI, but basically, in the Old Republic, Jedi didn't marry, sire children or do much of anything except server the Jedi Temple and the Republic. Luke changed all that, since he was the only Master once Yoda died, and brought family and living back to the Jedi.

I always thought the same thing...

 

[pcthuglife]

the most significant flaw... Jar Jar Binks :disgust:

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: Skel

Originally posted by: Karaktu

Originally posted by: yllus
Hmm, you do have a point. Even from the trailer, where Kenobi screams, "You were the chosen one!" ...where did it ever seem that way? A prodigy, sure, but nothing amazing or Yoda-replacing. Boo, Lucas. Boo urns.

Of course I'll still be watching Ep III ASAP.

I actually believe Luke is the "Chosen One," or the "One Who Will Bring Balance to the Force." Anakin/Vader was just the vehicle for him to come into being and create that balance. The Jedi of the old Republic made a mistake (of which they made many in the final years of the Old Republic) assuming that it was Anakin because of his high mitochondrian????? level / Force ability.

You would have to read the books that take place after Episode VI, but basically, in the Old Republic, Jedi didn't marry, sire children or do much of anything except server the Jedi Temple and the Republic. Luke changed all that, since he was the only Master once Yoda died, and brought family and living back to the Jedi.

I always thought the same thing...

The problem is "balance to the force." That could mean basically anything relative to Jedi/Sith existence, so it could either be Anakin or Luke.
I always thought it was Anakin, because in the end he fulfilled his destiny. He brought Jedi/Sith back into balance - at the end of RotJ there was 1 Jedi Master and a few weak Sith ideas in other places of the Galaxy. Pretty balanced if you ask me.

 

[cerebusPu]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: EpsiIon

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: EpsiIon
I have no respect for the character.

Maybe episode 3 will change your mind

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Paragraph 3

Umm, are there spoilers in paragraph 3? Because as much as I'm annoyed at Lucas, I'm still a purist nerd at heart.

Dont read it, it has spoilers

oh man..i just read paragraph three. dude...anakin is so evil! now i wont be sad when i get to see that part in the movie theater.