Oh I thought this was pretty ironic as well.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/10/in_downtown_portland_fears_tha.html
Protest corporations
Become a corporation
OrByte
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Good point. Once upon a time logic and reasoning were only abused in 30 second foood commercials
Now logic and reasoning are under constant attack by 24 hour "news" feeds and "fair and balanced" news reporting
All in an effort to protect what exactly?? People like peshkang need to ask themselves that... if they are being intellectually honest of course.
Bowfinger
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That might be ironic ... if they were protesting corporations. They aren't. They're protesting corruption. If the allegations discussed in the article are correct, they've now been victimized by a corrupt person who infiltrated Occupy Portland.
Infiltration is part of warfare
Look at all the feverish hiring at a certain Government level just for that purpose.
Lanyap
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And you know these freeloaders are criminals and professional homeless, how? These people could legitimately be part of the 99% and could really use some goat cheese.
The complaint is that the people are there for food alone, not to protest. Similarly, if all the cops just went over there, grabbed food and left without doing anything, that would be a problem as well.
I'm seriously not getting what is so hard to understand about this.
OrByte
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I'm just going off of what the article has to say
Admittedly assuming that someone has done the investigation used to determine the status of these individuals
PeshakJang; They are on the street starving because of the banksters they spend all day protesting, aren't they?
M: Whom are you talking about? You seem to be saying there are two groups of people in the street, the homeless who show up to eat and protesters who also cook for the folk who protest to sustain the protest movement. The protesters are obviously not starving because of the banksters. They are protesting because that's where they are headed if something isn't done about income inequities. They have food and feed each other. Then along come the homeless who are folk who have already been emotionally destroyed by the system and looking for a nice free meal. They are in need of reconstruction of self respect, a very very difficult and totally different sort of task. Feeding them does nothing for their disease and they all were well enough as far as diet to get themselves to a better meal than those perhaps given at homeless shelters and food banks etc. They came to leech and this damages them further. They should not be fed for free, as I patiently explained above.
PJ: Why should the protestors get to eat gourmet meals all day while the homeless starve? Arent they equally valuable to society? Or would you rather they starve?
M: The protesters aren't eating gourmet meals all day nor are the homeless starving. What folk consider valuable to society can be very different things. You, for example, are less than worthless to society, in my opinion, because your thinking is dangerous to it. For you the homeless and protesters are worthless. That is because you feel worthless and need to compare yourself to others to generate a false sense of worth. I, on the other hand, while being totally worthless, am, none the less, a master of the universe. Everything I see is me. In my heart is a door that opens out on infinity. You have one too, of course, deeply buried and hidden under all the shit you believe.
PJ: The protestors obviously got lucky in life to be where they are. The homeless people were just unlucky. They are part of the 99% right?
M: Indeed
PJ: For all the twisting going in by those trying to explain this, there has been no real answers.
M: Of course there are. As I said earlier, you harm people by helping them for free. We have a disease called self hate. It manifests in two ways, by the destruction of the ego and the manifestation of self destructive low self esteem, and by the disease you have, denial behind hubris and a disgustingly assertive and pompous ego. It's all the same thing. You, too, are what you see and I know you for the same reason.
PJ: To the bat cave, comrade!
M: You have been living there since you were a child. The madness has long been within you. You are not going to get to the kingdom of heaven without going through hell and you are too full of yourself to know it.
M: Whom are you talking about? You seem to be saying there are two groups of people in the street, the homeless who show up to eat and protesters who also cook for the folk who protest to sustain the protest movement. The protesters are obviously not starving because of the banksters. They are protesting because that's where they are headed if something isn't done about income inequities. They have food and feed each other. Then along come the homeless who are folk who have already been emotionally destroyed by the system and looking for a nice free meal. They are in need of reconstruction of self respect, a very very difficult and totally different sort of task. Feeding them does nothing for their disease and they all were well enough as far as diet to get themselves to a better meal than those perhaps given at homeless shelters and food banks etc. They came to leech and this damages them further. They should not be fed for free, as I patiently explained above.
PJ: Why should the protestors get to eat gourmet meals all day while the homeless starve? Arent they equally valuable to society? Or would you rather they starve?
M: The protesters aren't eating gourmet meals all day nor are the homeless starving. What folk consider valuable to society can be very different things. You, for example, are less than worthless to society, in my opinion, because your thinking is dangerous to it. For you the homeless and protesters are worthless. That is because you feel worthless and need to compare yourself to others to generate a false sense of worth. I, on the other hand, while being totally worthless, am, none the less, a master of the universe. Everything I see is me. In my heart is a door that opens out on infinity. You have one too, of course, deeply buried and hidden under all the shit you believe.
PJ: The protestors obviously got lucky in life to be where they are. The homeless people were just unlucky. They are part of the 99% right?
M: Indeed
PJ: For all the twisting going in by those trying to explain this, there has been no real answers.
M: Of course there are. As I said earlier, you harm people by helping them for free. We have a disease called self hate. It manifests in two ways, by the destruction of the ego and the manifestation of self destructive low self esteem, and by the disease you have, denial behind hubris and a disgustingly assertive and pompous ego. It's all the same thing. You, too, are what you see and I know you for the same reason.
PJ: To the bat cave, comrade!
M: You have been living there since you were a child. The madness has long been within you. You are not going to get to the kingdom of heaven without going through hell and you are too full of yourself to know it.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/..._kitchen_PIZ7EsDJEZqzPgzzEWKX7I#ixzz1cI09AWn7
They seem to be eating better than I am. Last night I had a can of soup. They could probably feed more people if they cut back a bit.
JSt0rm
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Because people are donating good food to them. So what? All that says is that the movement is popular but you will never see that.
davmat787
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Don't your taste-buds get tired of you vomiting the same shit day after day after day?
Now, Dear Moonie, tell me why I hate myself please!
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This so-called irony is non-existent. OP is putting words in the OWS-protestors' mouths, and then pretending they're being hypocrites.
OWS is movement is NOT saying "the haves should take care of the have-nots." They're saying, "The top 1% have stacked the economic deck, and the remaining 99% of the population are increasingly suffering; the rules should be changed to reverse this trend."
OP thinks the 99% (as represented by the OWS protestors) should be taking care of the hungry, and that's EXACTLY the OPPOSITE of the OWS message: OWS is saying more of the burden should be shifted AWAY from the 99% and more ONTO the 1%. The right wants to shift more of the burden onto the 99% and away from the 1%, exactly what the OP is advocating.
OWS is movement is NOT saying "the haves should take care of the have-nots." They're saying, "The top 1% have stacked the economic deck, and the remaining 99% of the population are increasingly suffering; the rules should be changed to reverse this trend."
OP thinks the 99% (as represented by the OWS protestors) should be taking care of the hungry, and that's EXACTLY the OPPOSITE of the OWS message: OWS is saying more of the burden should be shifted AWAY from the 99% and more ONTO the 1%. The right wants to shift more of the burden onto the 99% and away from the 1%, exactly what the OP is advocating.
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I really have no problem with people who decide to leave this shitty system completely.
Hell, I would love to see a general protest and shut this country down to get a quick and effective message to the establishment.
But deciding that you will not generate income of your own and shall live off the scraps of the system (which is fine with me also) but this puts you very low on the priority list of people who I have limited resources to help. Dumpstered food is not so bad if you get it from a bakery that wraps stuff or puts food in their own containers.
If people are helping themselves then yeah. Get them common food supplies. Get them resources. But if people refuse to help and want handouts, get to the back of the line comrades. People will do their best but do not expect in tight circumstances much more then you could have done yourself.
Hell, I would love to see a general protest and shut this country down to get a quick and effective message to the establishment.
But deciding that you will not generate income of your own and shall live off the scraps of the system (which is fine with me also) but this puts you very low on the priority list of people who I have limited resources to help. Dumpstered food is not so bad if you get it from a bakery that wraps stuff or puts food in their own containers.
If people are helping themselves then yeah. Get them common food supplies. Get them resources. But if people refuse to help and want handouts, get to the back of the line comrades. People will do their best but do not expect in tight circumstances much more then you could have done yourself.
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I hope the right keeps doing their best to Alienate these voters too
Attention Rightists out there...bums do vote
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jackstar7
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If that is the true case, then their message sucks. Ever wonder why 99% of America is not supporting this protest?
Lithium381
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So basically a NIMBY situation.... i support stuff, as long as I don't have to do it myself?
Have and Have-not is relative. If i've got $100,000 and you've got $20..... I'm a Have and you're a have-less. Why create a disparity threshold between who is responsible? All of a sudden Bobo qualifies 250k+ as rich and they're the enemy? Now they're fully responsible for those who have-less? How does that make sense?
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NIMBY is being against something because you dont think it is convenient, not a nessesity.
There is plenty of food here at the OWS camp, so everyone is fed. Simple enough.
If there is not enough then only campers are fed from kitchen tent since they cannot leave for extended periods, the local Christian outreaches can be there in a hour or so like Glide to bring their food in for backup for OWS. (yes the churches are in solidarity now also nowadays)
OWS is a protest camp, it is not set up as a mass food distribution although people do their best with limited resources and help from religious charities/donations from fellow 99%/local police/fireman unions etc.
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Now they don't even want to share the park with the homeless.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/...laza-article-1.969320?localLinksEnabled=false
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/...laza-article-1.969320?localLinksEnabled=false
JSt0rm
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You republicans sure spend a lot of time trying to find ways to discredit this group as a whole. I dont think ive ever seen anything like it.
Not a Republican, conservative, or otherwise. Just a guy with a distaste for idiots who think they're revolutionists when they can't even figure out what they stand for.
JSt0rm
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Its been spelled out to those of you critical a thousand times what they are standing for and yet you refuse to understand. You arent shaping public opinion at all by posting this stuff. Its been shown that ows is wildly successful in its popularity among people in this country. No one needs you to make this happen. you can sit on the internet and cherry pick stories that conform with your preconceived notions forever and it wont change anything.
Bowfinger
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I pointed that out in the main OWS thread too. He's awfully obsessed with a movement he claims doesn't matter.
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