The mobile Athlon 64 and motherboards

[stelleg151]

Thanks a lot for the info, really wanted to know about that divider stuff, noone else seems to know.

 

[Banja]

Hi all,

Just bought an Epox 8kda3+ Mobo with an A64 DTR 3200+, unfortunately, i saw this topic AFTER buying my new PC
I tried with a A64 Desktop, flash the Bios, put multiplier to 4 (4 was the default setting) and put back my A64 DTR. Everything was fine @ 4*200.
Then, i tried to set the default speed (10*200) but it didn't boot, so I made a clear Cmos but now I still get a 29 post error code and the mobo doesn't boot... (nothing on screen, fan & HD are running)
Is it possible that the clear cmos, clear the updated Bios? Never seen this...

 

[knowone201]

Are you sure 4 is the default multiplier setting. I thought it was auto, so clearing the bios just set to multiplier back to auto. Put your desktop cpu back in and set to multiplier to 10, volts to 1.8. save and turn off. put your DTR back in it should power up but you might have to play with the power reset button a little. If you over clock to much your going to reset the bios and do this all over again.

imo This board is not worth the trouble, get a diff board.

 

[Andres3605]

idn about DTRS but "(or any other CPU for that matter." in the MSI board is completely false, excellent experience, even reaching 270Htt at 1:1 maybe i got the cherry pick one...

 

[ktgktg]

I'm asking you because I really don't know who else to ask.
Does anyone know what the new 35 W mobile 90 nm are called? I've found AMD3000BKX4LB but I'm really not sure what it is. 1.2 V should be the "Q", not "K", and what is "LB"?? If it's a revision D core then it should be "B(x)", like "BI" AFAIK. I've found them on very few places (also 2800+ and 2700+):

http://www.frontierpc.com/prod...spx?CategoryID=CA-1203
https://ssl.itbutikken.dk/vare..._vare.asp?varenr=77993
http://www.verkkokauppa.com/po.../prodinfo.php?id=10784

...and mentioned here:
http://reseller.seagate.com/pr...s/americas/RESG1k.html
http://www.chipworks.com/webre...eportcode=SAR-0410-004

Confused...

Trying to make a 90 nm mobile A64 to work with a regular desktop mobo seemed like a bad idea to me, just because the S754 mobos today neither "support" mobile CPUs nor 90 nm. That's twice the trouble at least compared to what you people have experienced, which is a lot! But now I see some of Abits S754 mobos support that, such as the NF8 and KV8 Pro.

 

[imported_wikiwiki]

Sorry

 

[imported_wikiwiki]

Sorry triplicated

 

[imported_wikiwiki]

Trying to choose a correct and better value rig, i would like to know your comments:

http://www.newegg.com/app/view...amp;manufactory=BROWSE
http://www.newegg.com/app/view...amp;manufactory=BROWSE

And to know if this is a good heatsink? It will fit this mobile cpu ?

http://www.newegg.com/app/view...amp;manufactory=BROWSE

Thanks

 

[giorgioprimo]

Any news about the compatibility between mobile a64 and the ABIT KV8 (k800t chipset)?

Thanks

 

[placebodk]

As a new reader to this thread (read all 32 pages) and grateful for the information, I was hoping some of you HW experts might answer me this:

In section 4c in first post it says "Because the mobile Athon 64 CPUs are not desktop processors... ...the BIOS of the motherboard you want to use must recognize the microcode"

For the untrained eye (ie. mine) this seems to group the 2 "mobile" CPU's (ie. the 1.2v & 1.4v) as having the same micro code, with the 1.5v having a different type of microcode than the other two's. Does this mean that a motherboard able to work with the 1.4v CPU is likely to work with the 1.2v version as well? Or would it be wise to assume that the 1.2v and the 1.4v also have slightly different micro code and hence brings no guarantee that a MoBo working with one of the CPU's will work with the other?

I have a great interest in pairing a DFI LANParty UT nF3-250Gb with the 1.2v "true mobile" version, not for overclocking but underclocking instead (though I guess whether or not it worked out would still help the people reading this thread), and I haven't seen anyone trying this on the previous 32 pages of this thread (or anywhere else google could lead me)...

... however before jumping into this potentially risky uncharted territory I would like to hear if anyone knows the odds for this to work, given the fact that the LANParty is verified as working with the 1.4v version?

Cheers

 

[imported_wikiwiki]

Does anybody know if a Thermalright XP120 will work on a DFI Lanparty UT NF3 250GB using a Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3400+ 2.2 GHz, 1MB L2 Cache 64-bit Processor 62W - OEM
Model# AMN3400BIX5AR, i found only some Thermalright Heatsink SLK-948U will fit... is that correct? should i then get an SLK-948U, i though XP120 as new should be better, or anybody knows other heatsink that fit a mobile Athlon 64 processor. As i've been reading both XP120 and SLK 948u will fit the MOBO.

THANKS a lot...

 

[ktgktg]

placebodk and wikiwiki: Try the forums at www.dfi-street.com , maybe they know.

 

[BigTy]

I emailed Thermalright and this i swhat they had to say about the XP-90.

I have an AMD 3400+ DTR chip on the way I currently have a chaintech VNF3-250 motherboard and the XP-90. My current setup works fine without any issues I just want to know since the DTR doesn't have the heat spreader on it will there be any issues with me using the XP-90 with the DTR chip?

Hi,

There should be no problems, but just be cautious as you would with any CPU without a heat spreader.

For Thermalright,

 

[tolgae]

Originally posted by: TyShawn
I emailed Thermalright and this i swhat they had to say about the XP-90.

I have an AMD 3400+ DTR chip on the way I currently have a chaintech VNF3-250 motherboard and the XP-90. My current setup works fine without any issues I just want to know since the DTR doesn't have the heat spreader on it will there be any issues with me using the XP-90 with the DTR chip?

Hi,

There should be no problems, but just be cautious as you would with any CPU without a heat spreader.

For Thermalright,

Hmmm, I wrote to TR support yesterday (before seeing this last page of the thread) and I got a different answer. When I quoted this thread, this is the response I got:

"Hi,

That was before I obtained a DTR CPU, I had tried a DTR CPU with a the SI-97 which is for socket seven and what I wrote was true, when I finally got my hands on a DTR A64, I found that there was a space between the CPU and a 754 socket, that is why I responded to you as I did.

We don't automatically get every CPU AMD comes out with and we must look at the norm, the DTR is not the norm but rather a mobile CPU that some users are using in a desktop arrangement, not AMD's original intent for that CPU.

For Thermalright,
"

So what I understand from this is that only SLK-948U works with the lidless CPUs, as far as what TR produces.

I tried to buy a SLK-948U but it seems to have disappeared out of the face of the earth. If anyone knows a retailer who has it in stock, please let me know.

PS: Did you get it working with an XP-90?

 

[BigTy]

Yes I got mine working though the temps are NOT super it works just fine with my 200MHz OC I am just over 50c. know what I know now Ill cal them and see what they have to say.I just got off teh phone with them and based on my system 3400+ over clocked to 2.475 1.6 volts 54-56 is normal my case temp is at 33c. These are the SAME temps I was getting with my 3200+ so I cant tell a big difference. Yes it could better but it works without any modding what so ever.On a side note I did try and add more presure to see if that would help and sorry friends it didnt. not in my case.I am using the thermaltake silent boost 92mm fan also I hate alot of humming from my PC.

 

[Tyson95]

Mine works fine with the XP-90(DFI UT250) with temps at 49c @ 2.5ghz with 1.5V. The guy I bought my chip from was using an XP-120 with no problems.

 

[IlllI]

does anyone know if i can use an amd 64 mobile/dtr in a shuttle SN85G4 sff?
the main concern that i have is how the heatsink comes in contact with the exposed core. i'm afraid that there might be a small gap between the heatsink and the processor core, since the metal shim-thingy is not present on the mobile/dtr processors.

has anyone tried using one of these in a shuttle? or know of anyone that has?

any info would be appreciated,
thanks

 

[c0V3Ro]

I believe the problem is not with the board but which cooler are you going to use with it. I've successfully tested two coolers with my DTR, the Thermaltake polo735 and the Zalman7000B-Cu, in both Chaintech VNF3-250 and Abit NF8.

 

[IlllI]

Originally posted by: c0V3Ro
I believe the problem is not with the board but which cooler are you going to use with it. I've successfully tested two coolers with my DTR, the Thermaltake polo735 and the Zalman7000B-Cu, in both Chaintech VNF3-250 and Abit NF8.

is that in reference to my question?

 

[kvndoom]

I've successfully installed a mobile 3000+ on my Soltek SL-K8AN2E-GR with my Thermaltake Silent boost! Here's how:

I had an old stock Athlon XP HSF lying around, and if you look at one you'll see that it has a thin block of copper screwed to the bottom of it. Guess what? This block of copper is only a hair thicker than the height of the A64 heat spreader. So when my mobile arrived today, I seated it in the socket, put a little AS5 on the die, centered the copper block on top of the CPU, then installed my TT Silent Boost over the whole contraption. It locked into place, I fired her up, and SUCCESS!

The Soltek board only gives 1.55v max Vcore, but even with that I'm running this 3000 mobile rock-solid at 2.23GHz (9*248). Throw in 1MB of cache to boot, and I've got an Athlon 64 3400+ that I only paid $108 for! When I get my DFI Lanparty NF3 board next week and have more Vcore to work with, I'm gonna push this bad boy even further!

 

[BigTy]

What kind of temps are you seeing with that setup? also did you slap a little AS5 on the metal slab for that contact?

 

[kvndoom]

Originally posted by: TyShawn
What kind of temps are you seeing with that setup? also did you slap a little AS5 on the metal slab for that contact?

I've got AS5 on both sides of the copper block. Er, what's a good program to monitor temps with? MBM5 is dead and it died before my board was added. Ditto Aida32.

 

[BigTy]

speedfan. google that it should give you all the info you want

 

[kvndoom]

Gotcha! I got a "Temp 1" and "Temp 3", neither of which exceed 44* C under load. I don't know what the heck "Temp 2" is, but it stays at a steady 128* under load or not, so I'm guessing that's irrelevant, otherwise I'd be calling the fire department and not replying to you right now.

 

[BigTy]

Temp one is your CPU I cant remember if it was temp 2 or 3 was the case mine are always about the same and you have the option for HD temp if your drive supports it.