Well, so far I've got this athlon 3000+ running at 2.41ghz with 1:1 ram 241x10 cas 2.5 . The htt mult is at 4x also so its running at 1948mhz So far I'm pretty happy with the computer. I wish my x800 pro were unlockable, so far I've not done that. 25000 on 3dmark 2001 and 12000 on 2003 with the x800 pro running stock x800 xt -pe speeds of 520/560. I wish that my mobile would have worked because this board is very good so far. I'll let ya know what else I get out of it. I'm thinking my proc is limiting my right now b/c i lowered the htt mult to 2x and the ram to 166 and it still wouldn't hit 2.43ghz stable. BTW it is CG core.
I have a question regarding my low overclock. Could
it be because I have a cheap, generic 400W power supply?
I'm using the PSU that came with this case:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=11-124-060&depa=0
Keep in mind that it's not even posting @ 230 HTT. It just
beeps 3 times over and over.
(I'm not sure if a cheap PSU would prevent my computer
from posting, but I am pretty sure that it would cause some
instability. At least I think...).
-jellysandwich
it be because I have a cheap, generic 400W power supply?
I'm using the PSU that came with this case:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=11-124-060&depa=0
Keep in mind that it's not even posting @ 230 HTT. It just
beeps 3 times over and over.
(I'm not sure if a cheap PSU would prevent my computer
from posting, but I am pretty sure that it would cause some
instability. At least I think...).
-jellysandwich
I started pricing out a system using the above recommendations.
I'm prefacing what I'm about to say with the following. I know that part of the fun/point of overclocking is "seeing if you can do it", and experiencing the thrill of squeezing the most from a given setup. I realize this.
But...
I was pricing out a nice 3200+ DTR (CG stepping "AR code") from Newegg is $239. An Alpha PAL 8150M81 is $46 shipped. That comes to $285.
A -retail- 3400+ with 1MB cache is $289.
What's my point? For the cost of the 3200+ DTR and the best air cooling I -might- hit 2.5Ghz, but I'd have a whole host of motherboard issues and be forced to use boards I don't like or jump through various hoops, etc...
For $4 more, I can get a chip that's 2.4Ghz out of the box, select a cheaper and better motherboard that has no compatibility issues, and the 3400+ will most likely hit 2.6 or higher with the retail HSF.
Bang for the buck seems to be with the more conventional, less-exotic formula.
Ron
I'm prefacing what I'm about to say with the following. I know that part of the fun/point of overclocking is "seeing if you can do it", and experiencing the thrill of squeezing the most from a given setup. I realize this.
But...
I was pricing out a nice 3200+ DTR (CG stepping "AR code") from Newegg is $239. An Alpha PAL 8150M81 is $46 shipped. That comes to $285.
A -retail- 3400+ with 1MB cache is $289.
What's my point? For the cost of the 3200+ DTR and the best air cooling I -might- hit 2.5Ghz, but I'd have a whole host of motherboard issues and be forced to use boards I don't like or jump through various hoops, etc...
For $4 more, I can get a chip that's 2.4Ghz out of the box, select a cheaper and better motherboard that has no compatibility issues, and the 3400+ will most likely hit 2.6 or higher with the retail HSF.
Bang for the buck seems to be with the more conventional, less-exotic formula.
Ron
Good thing it's hot today, cause that was a little chilly.
Move along eh? Where to? Why?
Why not have this discussion?
Ron
You won't hit 2.6ghz with that 2.4ghz 1mb cache. Its very unlikely especially with stock cooling. You have to understand that the core is the same, CG. The only nice thing is the 1mb cache.
Actually, it's 2.2 Ghz out the box.
And it is very improbable, if not impossible, that it will hit
2.6 on air cooling, let alone stock cooling.
-jellysandwich
I'm running a DTR 3200+ on an Asus K8V SE Deluxe. I wanted it mostly because it runs so much cooler. I know the ASUS isn't a very good overclocking board, but I don't really want to overclock more than 200-250 MHz, which I've been able to do no problem. I am having a problem though--any time my computer locks up (which it has done a few times ebcause I haven't quite had all of my settings correct), my boot.ini file or hal.dll file gets corrupted. The recovery console doesn't work to fix the problem ebcause it doesn't detect any windows installs and won't let me enter the admin password. So, whenever I try to copy a file from the cd (for the hal.dll) or fix the master boot record and stuff (for boot.ini) I just get access denied messages. I'm not sure if my problem is the hard drive (Western Digital Raptor 74GB, brand new) or the motherboard. At any rate, I thought I would mention it to see if anyone else has had similar problems. I'm not sure if I should just be really careful not to ever have the system shut down inproperly or if this is the kind of thing that occurs frequently with a faulty motherboard or hard drive. Also, if I were to RMA the motherboard, which motherboard on the market right now has proven to be the most compatable with the processors? Like I said, I'm not looking so much for a max overclock (although oc'ing is nice), I am more concerned wth a stable system.
You know what? I was confused by some retailers claiming that the 3400+ 1MB was a 2.4 chip. I looked again and realized that it's 2.2. Good grab. I forgot that they called the 2.4Ghz 1MB cache the 3700+.
The 3400+ 512KB chip is 2.4Ghz though. Weird.
Thanks,
Ron
The 3400+ 512KB chip is 2.4Ghz though. Weird.
Thanks,
Ron
that's because it isn't clawhammer. Clawhammers are 200MHz slower with a 1MB cache for the same class processor. a clawhammer 3200+ is 2 GHz vs 2.2 GHz
I have just receive my Soltek K8AN2GE-R. It will POST with the mobile A64 2800. The voltage is wrong and multiplier may be wrong. Manually select 1.4V and 8x will work. However, I have not boot into winxp yet as I am now in the office. Few problems though:
1. Vcore limited to just 1.55V, this affects all CPUs and not just mobile. Voltage IC is the Intersil ISL6559CB. Same as the Abit KV8 Max 3.
2. Max FSB is 250MHz. There is a performance BIOS posted in another thread. Unfortunately, values above 250MHz won't work.
1. Vcore limited to just 1.55V, this affects all CPUs and not just mobile. Voltage IC is the Intersil ISL6559CB. Same as the Abit KV8 Max 3.
2. Max FSB is 250MHz. There is a performance BIOS posted in another thread. Unfortunately, values above 250MHz won't work.
Avalon
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You are forgetting that stock A64 retail cooling is not that bad. Regardless, you are probably right that it will be quite hard to get from 2.2ghz to 2.6ghz on stock cooling. This is with the 3400+ 1mb L2 clawhammer. However, you probably can hit 2.4ghz if done properly. A 200mhz overclock on stock cooling is not uncommon. You'll have just as much a chance with a 2.2ghz chip to hit 2.4 on stock as with a 2ghz DTR reaching that same 2.4 speed on whatever HSF you desire. If the two were the same price, I could understand.
Now, let's look at this. As it stands right now, a 1mb L2 3200+ DTR @ 2ghz runs for $239. A 1mb L2 3200+ Desktop non retail @ 2ghz runs for $219. If both chips were presumably be CG cores in this case, why buy the DTR mobile at all? Choosing it means you've just chosen to limit your motherboard selection, for $20 more. You still get to pick whichever method of cooling you'd like. So, since we're assuming both are CG cores, it's safe to say that if they're both good chips, they'll both overclock roughly the same. I've seen no evidence of a mobile A64 out-overclocking a desktop variant. With this in light and what I stated above, I see no reason to go mobile A64. Back when I got my mobile barton, I knew it was a proven golden overclocker, and it was cheap. It made sense to go mobile back then.
Man, this is a long thread to read. After reading through 6pgs, I'm still a lil shady in terms of which nForce3 board would be my best gamble on a 3400+ DTR in terms of compatibility and overclockability. (I'm getting a good deal from a friend)
Most of the replies are about Mobiles, but if the "If mobile works, DTR works" theory stands true, then Chaintech VNF3-250 and the MSI K8N Neo is probably my best bet with compatibility and overclocking.
But the Chaintech will require a BIOS update before posting with a Mobile/DTR. (Though I personally dun like the VNF3-250 in the first place. And the MSI seems to be the most compatible since it will post at 800Mhz, which lets you update to BETA BIOS. But will be risking running into POS quality board, I've read the same thing, it seems the NEO is hit or miss.
I originally planned on the GB K8NS Pro, but seems like the Mobiles aren't working well on it, anyone here have a DTR and a K8NS Pro to test on?
Any help appreciated.
Most of the replies are about Mobiles, but if the "If mobile works, DTR works" theory stands true, then Chaintech VNF3-250 and the MSI K8N Neo is probably my best bet with compatibility and overclocking.
But the Chaintech will require a BIOS update before posting with a Mobile/DTR. (Though I personally dun like the VNF3-250 in the first place. And the MSI seems to be the most compatible since it will post at 800Mhz, which lets you update to BETA BIOS. But will be risking running into POS quality board, I've read the same thing, it seems the NEO is hit or miss.
I originally planned on the GB K8NS Pro, but seems like the Mobiles aren't working well on it, anyone here have a DTR and a K8NS Pro to test on?
Any help appreciated.
Avalon
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It's hard to guarantee a 1mb CG desktop chip, especially at Newegg. They may be shipping some, but I'd probably say more than likely not. Regardless, that would probably be the only reason anyone may want a DTR or Mobile, but since an extra 512kb of L2 cache does absolutely nothing for most people, and certainly not for me, I don't see the point in getting these things. They aren't the great overclocker's value like the mobile barton was. Get a CG 2800+ for $140, give it superb cooling solution for around $40, and you've probably got yourself a 2.4ghz $180 purchase
Avalon, I don't understand why you quoted me.
Your whole post is about things that I didn't talk
about.
??
Nonetheless, it's good information for other people
who are thinking about taking the mobile route.
-jellysandwich
Your whole post is about things that I didn't talk
about.
??
Nonetheless, it's good information for other people
who are thinking about taking the mobile route.
-jellysandwich
Im trying to build a mATX box that runs fairly cool yet overclocks well
Does anybody know if this board: AOpen "MK89-L" nForce3 150 takes the 1.2v mobile cpus?
That is the only nforce3 board that comes in mATX that i can find
Does anybody know if this board: AOpen "MK89-L" nForce3 150 takes the 1.2v mobile cpus?
That is the only nforce3 board that comes in mATX that i can find
Overclocking has to use clockgen to go above 250. Note that .5 multipliers don't work and voltage changing don't work in clockgen also.
HTT 1x and 2x don't seems to work also.
Other than these issues, everything seems OK.
with the 1.4 bios from asus for the k8n-e overclocking is now working, running at 245 by 10 at 1.6, may up to 1.65 and see if i can hit 250, then probably go back to 1.6 and try to hit 270 * 9 at 1:1 with my ocz.
funny that they did it the day dfi announced their board, probably a coincidence but interesting none the less.
Okay, updated the K8N-E info as well as adding the Soltek board to the working list. For those of you who may have missed it, the MSI K8N Neo Platinum has a new beta BIOS 1.4b2 that should resolve any issues with mobiles.
For the K8S8X, am I supposed to change any
of these settings, or do I leave them alone?
PCI Latency Timer
PCI IDE Busmaster
HT Width
HT Tristate
CRC Flood
On a side note, I figured out that I can't even
keep this thing stable @ 10 * 222 with 600 HTT.
I have to use 400 HTT instead, so disappointed.
And, I can do 6 * 232! Broke 230 baby!
But not 6 * 235.
Oh yeah. I remember something about SATA
drives being bad for overclocking. I'm using one...
Could that be affecting my overclock?
-jellysandwich
of these settings, or do I leave them alone?
PCI Latency Timer
PCI IDE Busmaster
HT Width
HT Tristate
CRC Flood
On a side note, I figured out that I can't even
keep this thing stable @ 10 * 222 with 600 HTT.
I have to use 400 HTT instead, so disappointed.
And, I can do 6 * 232! Broke 230 baby!
But not 6 * 235.
Oh yeah. I remember something about SATA
drives being bad for overclocking. I'm using one...
Could that be affecting my overclock?
-jellysandwich
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