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gregheitz

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to tell you the truth, its probably more worth it to just buy the asrock k8s8x and get a 3200+ instead of the 3000+ b/c I know my asrock ran stable at 260htt. Combine that with 10x multi I'm looking at 2.6ghz no prob if the core is willing. The dtr also seems better b/c it is cheaper and has the capability on the asrock to run at 1.55v instead of 1.45. My mobile 1.4 3000+ was running 28 cel idle, 34 load, with 948u and fan on low, so I'm not even near worried about heat. I'm just not in the mood to screw with a diff mobo. Fact of the matter is , even if I got that k8ns pro i'm only looking at about 500 more 3dmarks at best, so who cares.

Bar81, The only big quirk I had with my asrock as the HTT multiplyer deal. I had to lower it to 400mhz to get it to run stable at 260 htt. I didn't see much of a perf decrease if at all. Does the 400-800 mhz jump in the HTT ( 800 - 1600mhz ) even matter that much? Thanks.
 
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gregheitz

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figures, just figures............

Turns out that the k8ns-pro that I bought is only available for replacement of exact same mobo, no refunds. Damnit. Now what? Do I get another 3000+ and try my luck again? Or do I get a 1.5v 3000+ DTR and try it out? OR do I just ditch mobiles and go with a 3000+ newcastle. I'm a bit frustrated. I don't want to have to rma another proc. What do you guys think? Since I am stuck with the motherboard, which proc should I get, as far as being the most likely to work with this board.. .. DTR over true mobile? Gahhhhhhhhhh.
 
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Bar81

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I don't think that's going to work like you want it to as I haven't heard of anyone getting even 2.5 on air with only 1.55v If you get a great chip you could probably hit 2.4ish (I did that with a Desktop Newcastle 3200+) Unless you somehow figure out how to vmod the board I think you may be in for a dissapointment. But I could be wrong, if you have the will, let us know how it turns out :)

This whole HTT thing is strange. I've seen many posts from users saying the exact same thing, that lowering the HTT doesn't really affect performance which is not something you would expect but it's possible that eve at the 400 mhz setting for 99% of user activities there is enough bandwidth. I wouldn't worry about if I were you, just get the max overclock you can from a board and enjoy.
 
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Bar81

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Originally posted by: gregheitz
figures, just figures............

Turns out that the k8ns-pro that I bought is only available for replacement of exact same mobo, no refunds. Damnit. Now what? Do I get another 3000+ and try my luck again? Or do I get a 1.5v 3000+ DTR and try it out? OR do I just ditch mobiles and go with a 3000+ newcastle. I'm a bit frustrated. I don't want to have to rma another proc. What do you guys think? Since I am stuck with the motherboard, which proc should I get, as far as being the most likely to work with this board.. .. DTR over true mobile? Gahhhhhhhhhh.
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If you have the patience give the mobile one more shot. If not, just go with the desktop. The guy who got it working said he used a 1.4v mobile so I wouldn't think that should be an issue but I don't really know as I have no personal experience with the combination.

Also, I don't get this whole only replace with same mobo thing at newegg. What is everyone doing to their mobos that they have to institute such a policy?
 
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gregheitz

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Good Question. That eliminated the whole asrock thing right off. I am so tempted to go 1.4 or 1.5 mobile cpu's one more time. I got a good sale rep at newegg and he took off the 30% restocking fee for my cpu which saved me $60. I was going to rma the mobo but it seems like it is fine and its just the cpu i would imagine. I'm just afraid to go with the same cpu again. Do you really think its worth going one more time mobile and seeing what happens? I am a hardcore overclocking and I love the exp but I'm anxious to get this setup going. I have a clear acrylic case with 5 multi color leds and a x800 pro modded to xt just BEGGIN to be run. I know the benefits of a mobile are great....but jee. I'd have to get a 3400+ to be able to get a CG cored desktop right? Are the newcastle cores CG at any speed? blah
 
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gregheitz

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if im gonna go desktop, ( looking that way ). Which should i get? 3000+ newcastle 2.0ghz 10x mult 512kb cache, or.... 3200+ 2.0ghz 10x mult 1mb cache. I'm looking for the top perf/oc on a proc under $220. Right now I don't think I can go mobile since only a few, ( what 1 person? ) have got it to work on this board. Price diff between these two is about 30 dollars, with the newcastle being the cheapest.
 
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Bar81

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Originally posted by: gregheitz
if im gonna go desktop, ( looking that way ). Which should i get? 3000+ newcastle 2.0ghz 10x mult 512kb cache, or.... 3200+ 2.0ghz 10x mult 1mb cache. I'm looking for the top perf/oc on a proc under $220. Right now I don't think I can go mobile since only a few, ( what 1 person? ) have got it to work on this board. Price diff between these two is about 30 dollars, with the newcastle being the cheapest.
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Preferably, you want a CG revision 3200+ 1MB L2 CPU. If you can't a guaranteed CG revision then pick up the Newcastle.
 
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Bar81

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Originally posted by: jellysandwichx
Quick question: Do I have to enable AGP/PCI lock on
the ASRock K8S8X, or does it do it automatically?

-jellysandwich
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It's enabled automatically. Just remember that you may have to decrease the HTT link speed if you're overclocking. Above about 210 drop it to 600mhz and above 240ish drop it to 400mhz.
 
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gregheitz

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I need a quick reply from you if possible Bar81... I went to amd's site and couldn't find OX to be a core revision code. There is a processor at newegg, well two of them. They are the EXACT same and cost the same and all. The only diff is the model number. One has a model number of ADA3000AXBOX, well that AX in there seems to report it should be a CG core but they just wrote the model number down wrong. It is a new model at newegg and I think that is my best bet for a CG core at a sub 200 price. What do you guys think? Try to reply asap. Thanks. The proc is a amd athlon 64 3000+ 512k cache retail at newegg.com.
 
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jellysandwichx

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I think it's a CG core, and that the BOX stands
for retail.

Of course, I can't really be entirely sure...

-jellysandwich
 
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Bar81

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Originally posted by: gregheitz
I need a quick reply from you if possible Bar81... I went to amd's site and couldn't find OX to be a core revision code. There is a processor at newegg, well two of them. They are the EXACT same and cost the same and all. The only diff is the model number. One has a model number of ADA3000AXBOX, well that AX in there seems to report it should be a CG core but they just wrote the model number down wrong. It is a new model at newegg and I think that is my best bet for a CG core at a sub 200 price. What do you guys think? Try to reply asap. Thanks. The proc is a amd athlon 64 3000+ 512k cache retail at newegg.com.
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The AX indicates it is a true Newcastle CG core. That should be fine.
 
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elephantman

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Well, I went and bought two k8ns pro's and tried to boot one with my 1.4 3200+ with no luck. left it on for a while, no beeps or anything. I don't have a desktop processor, but I'm sure everything else is fine.

Mobo rev 1.0 default shipping bios

all the people that seem to have it working are all running 2800+'s and one note of a 3000+...
 
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gregheitz

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well that is interesting to say the least. I guess the k8ns just doesn't like mobile's at all. They may fix it down the road, but if this newcastle CG core runs 2.4+ I'll be fine. The nice thing about the newcastle is it should be able to take up to 1.7v so I can oc the lil thing to death. Let ya know how it goes, should have it wednesday or thursday.
 
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mad3d

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I'll be getting a 3200+ 1.4v mobile on thursday...I'll try it in my k8ns-pro and let you know how it goes.
 
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gregheitz

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mad3d, don't get too pumped up. Seems like a lot of people are getting disappointed. I wish you the best of luck though. Let me know how it goes. How much was your 3200+ 1.4? thanks
 
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mad3d

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Got it for 220...if it doesn't work then I'll just eat the restocking fee at newegg I guess.
 
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jellysandwichx

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I can't get to 2.3 Ghz on my 1.4V 3200+ and ASRock.
I always get those 3 annoying beeps. The highest I've
gotten is 2.26 Ghz, and I'm afraid to try getting slightly
higher for fear of those loud beeps.

I've tried:
Settings memory to 166 Mhz
Loose timings: 3-4-4-8
2T
1.45 V
Cool N' Quiet off
HTT set to 400

I don't think temps are a problem, it's at 43 C idle
@ 2.26 Ghz. What else am I missing?

-jellysandwich
 
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proneax

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I would try upping the voltage - 1.45 seems low to be running 2.3ghz at.

On another note, I'm running into a 2300 wall on my k8n with a 3200 dtr CG Core.

Ram is on a /12 dividor so its actually running below spec, not the problem.
HT multi tried at 3 no help
SATA using port 3 - that got me past 2000 to 2300
I think it may be a voltage problem. Prime95 errors out after 2 mins

I'm having a hard time figuring out if my voltage readigns are correct. If i set 1.6 volts in the bios it reads 1.1 to 1.2, if i set it up to 1.85 it reads 1.3

If i set it with clockgen It appears to be the right voltage and runs 2300 @ 1.6v

I tried upping the voltage even to 1.76 for a short while and prime still failed.

temps are ~42c idle and 55c at full load.
 
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Bar81

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CPU-Z detects it just fine. Are you using the latest version?

And 2.26 is pretty damn close to 2.3 so I wouldn't say you got a bad CPU, just one with a little lower ceiling at 1.45v You would never be able to notice any performance difference between the two speeds. Enjoy it :)
 
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jellysandwichx

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Yea, I think so, 1.23.1. I got it from cpuid.com.

I just hope it can survive the torturous Prime95
test @2.26.

-jellysandwich
 
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Bar81

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That's strange. It reports correctly on my setup??? Good luck on the P95, I know the feeling.
 
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gregheitz

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that makes me feel pissed of but happy.... Damn my luck, I wanted to keep that lil 1mb 1.4v 3000+ so bad too. I had it running at 2.36 1.45v STABLE on the asrock. I ran prime95 for a good 2 hours and no hiccups. I had to return it b/c it wouldn't work in my new k8ns pro. I'll have my CG core newcastle on friday and if it doesn't go to AT LEAST 2.45ghz I may buy another mobile and try flashing and loading up a mobile, then return whichever cpu doesn't make my cut. I'll keep you guys informed on it all. The nice thing is the k8ns pro can do 1.8v i believe. That should get me over 2.4 easily I would imagine.
 
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