The Middle Class Is Steadily Eroding. Just Ask the Business World.

[Ausm]

Walmart's unimpressive earnings are a prime example. They pay their "associates" peanuts, squeeze suppliers, well, their customers are squeezed too, so they don't have money to spend at Walmart.

I'm not sure how the Walton family makes ends meet. :awe:

 

[Ausm]

Originally Posted by Engineer
Another one added to "Ignore".



There are some that post some ridiculous shit the only reasonable thing to do is to ignore the garbage. You are on the edge of my ignore threshold for example.

That douche nozzle made my list long ago.

 

[BoberFett]

Oh good, Autism is back.

 

[Throckmorton]

The difference is that Americans still want to do manufacturing jobs and work in stores. They don't want to be in the fields doing back breaking work all day. And with health care costs being what they are, it's probably going to cost them more over time than they will make. It's not about feeling sorry for illegal immigration. It's about taking care of Americans and make sure they get healthy fruits and vegetables to eat at prices they can afford.

The reason it's backbreaking work is because it's cheaper to pay illegal immigrants a few bucks than it is to invest in proper equipment and hire Americans (and legal immigrants) for a living wage.

Americans do want those jobs. If I could work on a farm for $20/hr I'd take that job in a heartbeat.

 

[theeedude]

You're such a racist.

You are such an idiot.

 

[Throckmorton]

The farmers aren't going to pay those higher wages, they'll switch to less labor intensive produce and we'd need to import the rest.

Huh? That's exactly the same as the anti-living wage conservative argument.

So what if they automate and reduce the number of jobs? At least they'd be paying a living wage.

 

[theeedude]

About the only thing you seem to be concerned with is retail jobs and maybe tecg. You don't care about manufacturing, farming, raw materials. Those jobs seem to be beneath you, and you're ok with them going elsewhere. Am I right?

You're all of what's wrong with America.

That's not what I said. I said that Americans don't want to do menial farming jobs. Georgia tried banning illegals, they couldn't find enough Americans to do those jobs, food was rotting in the fields until judges put the whole mess on hold. So it's not me who is saying it's beneath Americans, it's Americans who are saying it's beneath them and not taking those jobs.
So if anyone is going to send those farming jobs elsewhere, it's going to be you. If there is no labor to pick produce in US, that produce will be grown overseas, and we'll be growing wheat and other stuff that's not hand picked.

 

[theeedude]

The reason it's backbreaking work is because it's cheaper to pay illegal immigrants a few bucks than it is to invest in proper equipment and hire Americans (and legal immigrants) for a living wage.

Americans do want those jobs. If I could work on a farm for $20/hr I'd take that job in a heartbeat.

Why don't you go to a farmer, and ask him how fast you'd need to pick fruit for him to be able to pay you $20/hr without raising produce prices. It's not rocket science, farmer can afford to spend some money on labor per fruit picked, if you can pick enough fruit to justify $20/hr, go get it, tiger.

 

[glenn1]

The reason it's backbreaking work is because it's cheaper to pay illegal immigrants a few bucks than it is to invest in proper equipment and hire Americans (and legal immigrants) for a living wage.

Americans do want those jobs. If I could work on a farm for $20/hr I'd take that job in a heartbeat.

If you could work watching porn and jerking off all day for $20/hr I'm sure you'd take that job also. Good luck finding someone who finds that value proposition worth hiring you for. Ditto that for millions of American workers saying similar things - "I'd work screwing lug nuts on wheels for $75/hour" and you can see why employers don't fill those jobs with Americans or automate the jobs away. I'd get tired quickly of dealing with all the unrealistic employees myself in short order.

 

[shady28]

Why don't you go to a farmer, and ask him how fast you'd need to pick fruit for him to be able to pay you $20/hr without raising produce prices. It's not rocket science, farmer can afford to spend some money on labor per fruit picked, if you can pick enough fruit to justify $20/hr, go get it, tiger.

And yet, you're the guy going around talking about raising wal-mart wages.

You having an epiphany senseamp?

The reality is, if you took out all the illegals picking food in the country - then free market would take care of the rest - wages and prices would go up at the bottom. And I wouldn't mind that - IF you took out all the illegals.

But that's not what you advocate, is it? You advocate just forcing people to raise wages.

It's real simple even you should get it. Get rid of illegals and UNSKILLED LABOR WAGES WILL GO UP.

 

[theeedude]

And yet, you're the guy going around talking about raising wal-mart wages.

You having an epiphany senseamp?

The reality is, if you took out all the illegals picking food in the country - then free market would take care of the rest - wages and prices would go up at the bottom. And I wouldn't mind that - IF you took out all the illegals.

But that's not what you advocate, is it? You advocate just forcing people to raise wages.

It's real simple even you should get it. Get rid of illegals and UNSKILLED LABOR WAGES WILL GO UP.

They tried it in GA. It didn't work. Illegals left, Americans never came. Food was rotting in the fields. Wages didn't go up. If you lift minimum wage, it increases both wages, but also spending power of everyone at the bottom. If farmers get rid of illegals, that doesn't increase spending power of most consumers who buy farm products. Even if wages were to go up for farm workers, it's unlikely they would consume sufficiently more produce to cause the prices to go up and allow farmers to pay those higher wages. So eventually, those farmers would lose money and/or switch to less labor intensive and less nutritious plants like wheat, and fruits and veggies will be grown overseas.

 

[Zaap]

How is it possible for first world nations anywhere in the world to feed themselves without throwing their borders wide open and tossing out all their immigration laws? Why, it must be impossible! Therefore we must have our slavery!

Such a silly idea that a majority of people working to feed the people of any nation on earth could actually be legal citizens of that nation and not someone's imported slaves! Perish the thought and keep up the drumbeat for illegal labor. OMG they can't find enough dark skinned foreigners in Georgia to work the fields while massa sits up on the porch sipping a mint juilip. Its not like we ever had that earth shattering problem before.

 

[BoberFett]

You are such an idiot.

Just admit that you're a racist scumbag. It'll feel good to get that off your chest, bigot.

 

[Matt1970]

They tried it in GA. It didn't work. Illegals left, Americans never came. Food was rotting in the fields. Wages didn't go up. If you lift minimum wage, it increases both wages, but also spending power of everyone at the bottom. If farmers get rid of illegals, that doesn't increase spending power of most consumers who buy farm products. Even if wages were to go up for farm workers, it's unlikely they would consume sufficiently more produce to cause the prices to go up and allow farmers to pay those higher wages. So eventually, those farmers would lose money and/or switch to less labor intensive and less nutritious plants like wheat, and fruits and veggies will be grown overseas.

It's funny how you change your values when you are advocating having work for the illegals.

 

[Engineer]

Walmart is getting too expensive for the middle class?

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-...expensive-for-the-middle-class-215417616.html

 

[BoberFett]

Walmart is getting too expensive for the middle class?

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-...expensive-for-the-middle-class-215417616.html

Guess we need to bring in more illegal immigrants to stock shelves. We wouldn't want Americans to go without quality food.

Right nonsenseamp?

 

[shady28]

They tried it in GA. It didn't work. Illegals left, Americans never came. Food was rotting in the fields. Wages didn't go up. If you lift minimum wage, it increases both wages, but also spending power of everyone at the bottom. If farmers get rid of illegals, that doesn't increase spending power of most consumers who buy farm products. Even if wages were to go up for farm workers, it's unlikely they would consume sufficiently more produce to cause the prices to go up and allow farmers to pay those higher wages. So eventually, those farmers would lose money and/or switch to less labor intensive and less nutritious plants like wheat, and fruits and veggies will be grown overseas.

As I said, do it across the whole country, not just in one state.

Wages will go up, or people will starve. I'm pretty sure I know which one will happen.

 

[theeedude]

As I said, do it across the whole country, not just in one state.

Wages will go up, or people will starve. I'm pretty sure I know which one will happen.

The one that happened in GA, the policy was unenforceable and the migrants came back.

 

[theeedude]

Just admit that you're a racist scumbag. It'll feel good to get that off your chest, bigot.

You'd know that from personal experience, I am sure.

 

[BoberFett]

It's amusing to watch a racist shitbag like senseamp twist in the wind, trying to backpedal and talk their way out of looking like the racist shitbag he is.

Everyone can see you for you who you really are, you American-job-killing foreigner-hating shitbag.

 

[shady28]

The one that happened in GA, the policy was unenforceable and the migrants came back.

Ironic.

So senseamp the liberal....


Lets take a look at this damage the farmers SAID was done, shall we?

http://usda01.library.cornell.edu/usda/current/VegeSumm/VegeSumm-01-29-2013.pdf

Page 13.

Principal Fresh Market Vegetable Production and Value

Georgia :

2010 - 21951 acres harvested / $477M value
2011 - 17270 acres harvested / $484M value
2012 - IMMIGRATION LAWS HOLY SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING
2012 - 21860 acres harvested / $515M value

So the migrant workers returned in 2013, whew dodged that bullet!

But wait, where's the implosion in the harvest in 2012???

Could it be that the farmers didn't want to pay a 'living wage' so they manufactured this straw man argument??

Answer : There wasn't an implosion of production. The farmers just didn't want to pay a "living wage", so everyone just decided to ignore the law.

 

[boomerang]

It's amusing to watch a racist shitbag like senseamp twist in the wind, trying to backpedal and talk their way out of looking like the racist shitbag he is.

Everyone can see you for you who you really are, you American-job-killing foreigner-hating shitbag.

Careful, he might call you a redneck.

 

[Nebor]

The last page of this thread is so strange. Senseamp is a heartless ultra-capitalist? Since when?

 

[shady28]

The last page of this thread is so strange. Senseamp is a heartless ultra-capitalist? Since when?

When the guys is saying this in this thread :

Senseamp:
"Not without a minimum wage increase that guarantees that all competitors raise their wages as well."

And in a different thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2363762&highlight=minimum+wage

Senseamp:
"If McDonalds can run with fewer workers with automation, they can afford to pay those workers more."


Now lets juxtapose that with these :

From this thread -

Senseamp :
"Why don't you go to a farmer, and ask him how fast you'd need to pick fruit for him to be able to pay you $20/hr without raising produce prices."

And in this other thread :

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=26798549&highlight=minimum+wage#post26798549

Senseamp :
"I will just tip less to offset higher cost of food to pay for minimum wages.
I liked not tipping when I went to Japan and China."


He's the true face of the Democrats.

They aren't liberals, they're neo-fascists.

 

[theeedude]

Ironic.

So senseamp the liberal....


Lets take a look at this damage the farmers SAID was done, shall we?

http://usda01.library.cornell.edu/usda/current/VegeSumm/VegeSumm-01-29-2013.pdf

Page 13.

Principal Fresh Market Vegetable Production and Value

Georgia :

2010 - 21951 acres harvested / $477M value
2011 - 17270 acres harvested / $484M value
2012 - IMMIGRATION LAWS HOLY SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING
2012 - 21860 acres harvested / $515M value

So the migrant workers returned in 2013, whew dodged that bullet!

But wait, where's the implosion in the harvest in 2012???

Could it be that the farmers didn't want to pay a 'living wage' so they manufactured this straw man argument??

Answer : There wasn't an implosion of production. The farmers just didn't want to pay a "living wage", so everyone just decided to ignore the law.

Law was passed in 2011, acres harvested collapsed. Judges put law on hold, acres harvested rebounded. Now, you may say, look more value, but that value is from higher prices on consumers, not higher production.
Thanks for making my point.