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herkulease

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Originally posted by: shimsham
as ive said before, i think he is guilty. not because he is a freak, but because of his actions and behaviors concerning these young boys. why, in this day and age and with his prior problems with these accusations, would he continue to conduct himself in this manner with children if there wasnt something inappropriate going on? even if he is innocent, i still cant fathom why someone would continue to act that way and open themselves up to more accusations and potential charges. it defies logic and reason, IMO.

why would he continue? maybe because he thinks there was nothing wrong with what he is doing or had been doing. If kobe wasn't married would he suddenly just stop having sex with women because he's now open to possible claims of rape?

personally i find this odd, hundreds if not thousands of people, a lot of which are children,have been to never land, if Michael Jackson has this obession with young boys wouldn't more than 2 allegations would have been made?

I mean after the big settlement in 93 wouldn't others who were molested or inapproiately touched by MJ come forward. I don't know about you but I would be seeing dollar signs.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Grunt03
I think he is guilty

Guilty of what???????????????????????????????????????????????

Child molestation...duh.

and what do you mean by "child molestation"? Rape? Oral sex? Anal sex? There is an alarming lack of specifics in this thread.

Do those distinctions really matter? To me those are all molestation which is a criminal offense. On the other hand showing porno and givign drinks is not (though it supports motive). I'm not sure whether them seeing his wang qualifies either... but I don't think it does.

I would like people to put their cards on the table and actually define what they think he is guilty of. So much easier to accuse him of being a pedophile and leave it there.

Actualy, the accuser is saying he was "fondled" on 2 occasions. That's the extent of the more serious allegations. And the molestation was supposed to have taken place AFTER the Martin Bashir documentary aired. That just seems preposterous to me.

Well, the judge today ruled that he will allow testimony from earlier accusations to be brought as evidence in this trial. I've heard on talk radio today what some of that evidence is and it sounds pretty devestating to Michael Jackson. Example, a former employee is going to testify that she saw Michael Jackson in bed with 4 boys and their underwear was on the floor next to the bed. That is pretty fvcking creapy. I also read through the deposition of one child and the stuff in there would get anyone thrown in jail for a very very long time. I'm not going to go into it but it is more than just "fondling."

BTW-Any man tries to "fondle" my son, even once and I'm going to expect the sick motherfvcker be locked up for life and be labeled a child molester. :|
 

shimsham

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Originally posted by: herkulease
Originally posted by: shimsham
as ive said before, i think he is guilty. not because he is a freak, but because of his actions and behaviors concerning these young boys. why, in this day and age and with his prior problems with these accusations, would he continue to conduct himself in this manner with children if there wasnt something inappropriate going on? even if he is innocent, i still cant fathom why someone would continue to act that way and open themselves up to more accusations and potential charges. it defies logic and reason, IMO.

why would he continue? maybe because he thinks there was nothing wrong with what he is doing or had been doing. If kobe wasn't married would he suddenly just stop having sex with women because he's now open to possible claims of rape?

personally i find this odd, hundreds if not thousands of people, a lot of which are children,have been to never land, if Michael Jackson has this obession with young boys wouldn't more than 2 allegations would have been made?

I mean after the big settlement in 93 wouldn't others who were molested or inapproiately touched by MJ come forward. I don't know about you but I would be seeing dollar signs.


i would think that others who were molested, if there are any, wouldnt come forward for the typical reasons: shame, humiliation, embarrassment, etc. as far as money goes, putting my childs life back together and helping them get over that type of trauma would be more important than money and having to suffer through that whole circus.
 

Grunt03

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Ok let me feed the fire a bit, what do you guys think about MJ stateing that it is a Race Issue?
 

herkulease

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Originally posted by: Grunt03
Ok let me feed the fire a bit, what do you guys think about MJ stateing that it is a Race Issue?

I highly doubt it, as there's no real basis. not because he now looks white but that there really is no use for him to use it. What can they use it for to attack the prosecutor himself? they should keep with their issue now that its all about money.

plus so far from what the media has put out for us to see, the prosecution case is weak and they are grasping at straws (such as the Porn evidence) and MJ's legal team is tearing them to shreds. he just needs to stay his course and not be stupid like mark geragos or whoever Scott Peterson's lawyer is and put his foot in his mouth.

according to cnn one of the prosecution's witness has a shady background and right now is sitting in jail in vegas after 4 armed robberies. I think Jackson's lawyer can paint him as an uncredible witness.

with past allegations now being allowed in we'll have to see how things turn out.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: aidanjm

Outside the strength of the actual case and whether he should be convicted in this particular allegation, do you think it's even remotely likely that Jackson has molested any kids?

who knows. I wouldn't be surprised to learn he has molested one or more children. Then again, I would not be surprised to learn he has never molested a child.
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: herkulease
personally i find this odd, hundreds if not thousands of people, a lot of which are children,have been to never land, if Michael Jackson has this obession with young boys wouldn't more than 2 allegations would have been made?
The thing is that there have not been merely two allegations against Michael Jackson, but others you didn't hear about. As I understand it, there are at least 7 previous allegations before the current one.
Santa Barbara County Superior Court Judge Rodney S. Melville could allow prosecutors to present evidence about seven allegations.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me...062.story?coll=la-headlines-california
 

herkulease

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: herkulease
personally i find this odd, hundreds if not thousands of people, a lot of which are children,have been to never land, if Michael Jackson has this obession with young boys wouldn't more than 2 allegations would have been made?
The thing is that there have not been merely two allegations against Michael Jackson, but others you didn't hear about. As I understand it, there are at least 7 previous allegations before the current one.
Santa Barbara County Superior Court Judge Rodney S. Melville could allow prosecutors to present evidence about seven allegations.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me...062.story?coll=la-headlines-california

I mean more along lines of actually going public. anyhow only 1 will actually testify 2 including the home alone kid(I can't spell his name) said nothing happened. the kid who settled in 93 won't testify either. his mother though the prosecutor claims will. another 2 were excluded by the judge. the last 2 I haven't found anything as to what part they'll play.

but as it stands now only 1 of the seven will actually take the stand.
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: herkulease
plus so far from what the media has put out for us to see, the prosecution case is weak and they are grasping at straws (such as the Porn evidence) and MJ's legal team is tearing them to shreds. he just needs to stay his course and not be stupid like mark geragos or whoever Scott Peterson's lawyer is and put his foot in his mouth.
By the way, while its possible to argue Scott Peterson's lawyer made mistakes during the trial, Scott Peterson was definately not simply convicted on that. The issue of Scott Peterson suddenly developing an interest in fishing and buying a boat shortly before the murder, and then admiting to being in that boat in the bay where Laci Peterson's body was found, on the day she went missing was extremely damming on its own before any other evidence came into it. Its not as if the Bay was someplace that Scott Peterson regularly fished and anyone who dumped the body there would know that, or the bay was close to his house. Ultimately the defense was never able to come up with a really plausible alternate explanation for this piece of evidence.
 

Grunt03

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Aegeon
By the way, while its possible to argue Scott Peterson's lawyer made mistakes during the trial, Scott Peterson was definately not simply convicted on that. The issue of Scott Peterson suddenly developing an interest in fishing and buying a boat shortly before the murder, and then admiting to being in that boat in the bay where Laci Peterson's body was found, on the day she went missing was extremely damming on its own before any other evidence came into it. Its not as if the Bay was someplace that Scott Peterson regularly fished and anyone who dumped the body there would know that, or the bay was close to his house. Ultimately the defense was never able to come up with a really plausible alternate explanation for this piece of evidence.

That is one way to put it. Speaking for myself, I thought that they guy was guilty starting day one when the story filled the news. I was just amazed at how long it was dragged out. I guess it goes to show, if you have enough money.....
 

herkulease

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: herkulease
plus so far from what the media has put out for us to see, the prosecution case is weak and they are grasping at straws (such as the Porn evidence) and MJ's legal team is tearing them to shreds. he just needs to stay his course and not be stupid like mark geragos or whoever Scott Peterson's lawyer is and put his foot in his mouth.
By the way, while its possible to argue Scott Peterson's lawyer made mistakes during the trial, Scott Peterson was definately not simply convicted on that. The issue of Scott Peterson suddenly developing an interest in fishing and buying a boat shortly before the murder, and then admiting to being in that boat in the bay where Laci Peterson's body was found, on the day she went missing was extremely damming on its own before any other evidence came into it. Its not as if the Bay was someplace that Scott Peterson regularly fished and anyone who dumped the body there would know that, or the bay was close to his house. Ultimately the defense was never able to come up with a really plausible alternate explanation for this piece of evidence.


its damning true but were easily explained away. I believe bought the fishing stuff way before then and had obtain fishing license for previous years. plus how stupid one someone be to admit to being the same place they dumped the body?

Anyhow what I"m saying is MJ's lawyer unlike Peterson lawyer should just stick with what he has been doing, and only shoot for proving MJ is not guilty. Peterson's lawyer after poking holes in the prosecutions case as it was all cirmcumstanial decided at some point he'll take a leap and prove peterson is innocent. its just plain stupid. cause you better have some incredible evidence to back it up. but he didn't.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Well, the judge today ruled that he will allow testimony from earlier accusations to be brought as evidence in this trial. I've heard on talk radio today what some of that evidence is and it sounds pretty devestating to Michael Jackson. Example, a former employee is going to testify that she saw Michael Jackson in bed with 4 boys and their underwear was on the floor next to the bed. That is pretty fvcking creapy. I also read through the deposition of one child and the stuff in there would get anyone thrown in jail for a very very long time. I'm not going to go into it but it is more than just "fondling."

BTW-Any man tries to "fondle" my son, even once and I'm going to expect the sick motherfvcker be locked up for life and be labeled a child molester. :|

What happens if a woman fondles your son? I'm sure you've noticed this apparent rash of women raping their young male students occurring over recent months.

The allowing of previous accusations into the current trial might backfire on the prosecution. Of the 5 cases, 2 of the boys involved have claimed publically that the abuse never happened. (It will be their parents claiming abuse occurred.) 1 of these kids sued for emancipation from the parents. The ex-employees of MJ claiming to have seen inappropriate touching taking place actually sued MJ in the 90s and lost (over an unrelated matter). Their previous unsuccessful lawsuit against MJ does make their testimony appear somewhat questionable, i.e., it looks like they have an axe to grind. And then you have people like Macauley Culkin - some of the prosecution witnesses will no doubt claim they saw MJ inappropriately touching Macauley. Macauley himself claims this never happened. It seems to be more hearsay from people with axes to grind.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Well, the judge today ruled that he will allow testimony from earlier accusations to be brought as evidence in this trial. I've heard on talk radio today what some of that evidence is and it sounds pretty devestating to Michael Jackson. Example, a former employee is going to testify that she saw Michael Jackson in bed with 4 boys and their underwear was on the floor next to the bed. That is pretty fvcking creapy. I also read through the deposition of one child and the stuff in there would get anyone thrown in jail for a very very long time. I'm not going to go into it but it is more than just "fondling."

BTW-Any man tries to "fondle" my son, even once and I'm going to expect the sick motherfvcker be locked up for life and be labeled a child molester. :|

What happens if a woman fondles your son? I'm sure you've noticed this apparent rash of women raping their young male students occurring over recent months.

The allowing of previous accusations into the current trial might backfire on the prosecution. Of the 5 cases, 2 of the boys involved have claimed publically that the abuse never happened. (It will be their parents claiming abuse occurred.) 1 of these kids sued for emancipation from the parents. The ex-employees of MJ claiming to have seen inappropriate touching taking place actually sued MJ in the 90s and lost (over an unrelated matter). Their previous unsuccessful lawsuit against MJ does make their testimony appear somewhat questionable, i.e., it looks like they have an axe to grind. And then you have people like Macauley Culkin - some of the prosecution witnesses will no doubt claim they saw MJ inappropriately touching Macauley. Macauley himself claims this never happened. It seems to be more hearsay from people with axes to grind.

Uhm? So what? It's still sexsual abuse, might not be as mad. It's still is abuse.

2 out of the 5? Okay that still leaves 3 others...

If it's a unrelated matter why'd you have to bring it up? It really seems to be all you're doing is destroying the other sides credbility and not proving them wrong.

It might be hearsay, but so what?

Lets look at the main points of evidence mounted agaisnt him...

1)We've always had that "hunch" that there is something just werid with Micheal Jackson.

2)He was exposed to sex at an early age. His older brothers would bring their "groupies" over to the house.

3)His father was extremely violent. Micheal hated his father and was scared to death of him. It's been said that his nose reseambled his father nose, and thats why he got surgery.

4)It's clear that his father more than likely may have abused him, we know that abusies(sp?) almost always become abusers.

5)He was shoved out into a world of fame and in the public spotlight. Professsing that he's gay would remove all of this and his father would have more than likely killed him.

6)He sleeps with kids and walks around naked with kids being present. He does a extremely poor job of defending it. Why is he walking around naked?

7)Kids were able to easy identify his penis. They called it a "barber pole" micheal bleechs his skin and when his johnson is erect it has a baberpole apperance. Why do these kids know this?

8)He gave a very sick child alcholol, why? Does he even know the child's exact medical problems? Does he know what will happen with the use of alcholol on the child.

9)Settled the previous case in 1993 for 15 Million.

10)Has porn lying around the house a enviorment which child will be in, why?

11)7 other allegations of child molestation.

There is certainly enough evidence here that would make anyone think twice about Micheal Jackson as a "good" person, agreed?
 

randym431

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He'll get off (no pun).
The one fact that will get him off is that the parents willingly brought the kids to him.
And if he gets off, theres more parents just waiting with their 9 year old kids, to drop them off at "the jacksons".
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: randym431
He'll get off (no pun).
The one fact that will get him off is that the parents willingly brought the kids to him.
And if he gets off, theres more parents just waiting with their 9 year old kids, to drop them off at "the jacksons".

No parent would give their kid to Micheal if they knew the Micheal wants to stick his ChooChoo in their sons' poopoo.
 

randym431

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Hey, theres plenty of parents that "stick their ChooChoo in their sons' poopoo.
We have no shortage on sick parents.
 

judasmachine

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As big of a freak as I think he is, it's not up to me. It's for the judge and jury to decide.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Tabb
There is certainly enough evidence here that would make anyone think twice about Micheal Jackson as a "good" person, agreed?

Yes he is odd, and his behavior wrt children is disturbing.


 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: herkulease
its damning true but were easily explained away. I believe bought the fishing stuff way before then and had obtain fishing license for previous years. plus how stupid one someone be to admit to being the same place they dumped the body?

Anyhow what I"m saying is MJ's lawyer unlike Peterson lawyer should just stick with what he has been doing, and only shoot for proving MJ is not guilty. Peterson's lawyer after poking holes in the prosecutions case as it was all cirmcumstanial decided at some point he'll take a leap and prove peterson is innocent. its just plain stupid. cause you better have some incredible evidence to back it up. but he didn't.
It was not explained away. The boat was definately purchased shortly before the day Laci Peterson dissapeared, and I don't believe a patern of that kind of fishing at least had been established significantly in advance. The how stupid argument doesn't work at all in the case. Scott Peterson admitedly being in San Francisco bay fishing to police the day Laci Peterson dissapeared, its likely he didn't think police would find the body. He also was probably calculating that witnesses could probably place him there, and being caught lying about that would have been in fact increadibly damaging. While admiting it may have been a mistake for Scott Peterson, the fact he admited it certainly doesn't suggest he didn't commit the crime.
 

Miramonti

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Good thing Michael Jackson isn't russian, or else he'd be known around the world as "Wackoff Jackov".
 

hdeck

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Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: herkulease
Originally posted by: shimsham
as ive said before, i think he is guilty. not because he is a freak, but because of his actions and behaviors concerning these young boys. why, in this day and age and with his prior problems with these accusations, would he continue to conduct himself in this manner with children if there wasnt something inappropriate going on? even if he is innocent, i still cant fathom why someone would continue to act that way and open themselves up to more accusations and potential charges. it defies logic and reason, IMO.

why would he continue? maybe because he thinks there was nothing wrong with what he is doing or had been doing. If kobe wasn't married would he suddenly just stop having sex with women because he's now open to possible claims of rape?

personally i find this odd, hundreds if not thousands of people, a lot of which are children,have been to never land, if Michael Jackson has this obession with young boys wouldn't more than 2 allegations would have been made?

I mean after the big settlement in 93 wouldn't others who were molested or inapproiately touched by MJ come forward. I don't know about you but I would be seeing dollar signs.


i would think that others who were molested, if there are any, wouldnt come forward for the typical reasons: shame, humiliation, embarrassment, etc. as far as money goes, putting my childs life back together and helping them get over that type of trauma would be more important than money and having to suffer through that whole circus.

well wouldn't the parent's of the accuser have the same rationale? if so why did they try to settle out of court instead of getting him put in jail? if you molest my child i want you in jail/dead, i don't want you to be free and have some of your money.
 

EndlessDennis

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Grunt03
I think he is guilty

Guilty of what???????????????????????????????????????????????

Child molestation...duh.

Glad to know that the judge in the Michael Jackson trial is with us. But on the serious side, Jules, stop judging him. None of us are in a position to judge him. People hate Michael for all the wrong reasons. I just love people who believe all this media bullcrap about Michael Jackson. Don't you people know that the media makes tons of money reporting bad things about him? If the media was fair, everyone would know that the good things Michael has done outweighs the speculations by far.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: EndlessDennis
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Grunt03
I think he is guilty

Guilty of what???????????????????????????????????????????????

Child molestation...duh.

Glad to know that the judge in the Michael Jackson trial is with us. But on the serious side, Jules, stop judging him. None of us are in a position to judge him. People hate Michael for all the wrong reasons. I just love people who believe all this media bullcrap about Michael Jackson. Don't you people know that the media makes tons of money reporting bad things about him? If the media was fair, everyone would know that the good things Michael has done outweighs the speculations by far.

ROFL. He's a sicko, it's as easy to see as ABC. :D
 

Bozo Galora

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MJ wears lipstick, affects an artificially high female voice, wears a woman's wig, hates the fact he was born black (self hate), and was so fearful of his father that he used to vomit sometimes at the mere sight of him.

Having said that, the current couple accusing him, being so flawed, may be the best thing to happen to him. If he wins, then he will feel free to continue abhorrant behavior, since it will be looked down upon to accuse him further. In other words, the accusers are scum, but the exploits actually did happen as stated.

On the other hand, there are no blacks on the jury, so the race card wont come into play, tho perhaps there will be riotous behavior follwing a guilty verdict.

I dont believe he ever had sex with Priscilla Presley, and would like to give her a lie detector test about that.

Now he has 2 kids supposedly by a woman who was later paid off, yet they both dont have a hint of black ancestry whatsoever. I dont even want to think about what goes on in the bathtub with "daddy" at bath time for these little darlin's. And I have yet to see any plausible explanation for the third baby he has "aquired". How about a DNA test for all three????
(Dont hold your breath).

The current accusers brother not only described his erect penis, but also the fact he has white splotches on it and his butt.

MJ is a sick dog, and anyone with any life experience can tell what he's all about.

If the trial/ciil suit bankrupts him, maybe he could get a job as a Catholic Priest.



 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
MJ wears lipstick, affects an artificially high female voice, wears a woman's wig, hates the fact he was born black (self hate), and was so fearful of his father that he used to vomit sometimes at the mere sight of him.

So fvcking what?

How does any of the above shed any light, whatsoever, on the question at hand (whether he sexually molested the kid)?

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
Having said that, the current couple accusing him, being so flawed, may be the best thing to happen to him. If he wins, then he will feel free to continue abhorrant behavior, since it will be looked down upon to accuse him further. In other words, the accusers are scum, but the exploits actually did happen as stated.

That's your opinion, is it? What convincing reasons can you give that support your opinion that MJ molests children? (Hint: the fact he has a high pitched voice, and wears make up, etc., are not evidence or signs that he has sexually molested children).

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
On the other hand, there are no blacks on the jury, so the race card wont come into play, tho perhaps there will be riotous behavior follwing a guilty verdict.

I dont believe he ever had sex with Priscilla Presley, and would like to give her a lie detector test about that.

Now he has 2 kids supposedly by a woman who was later paid off, yet they both dont have a hint of black ancestry whatsoever.

I thought the mother of his kids was white?

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
I dont even want to think about what goes on in the bathtub with "daddy" at bath time for these little darlin's. And I have yet to see any plausible explanation for the third baby he has "aquired". How about a DNA test for all three????
(Dont hold your breath).

Of course, another possibility is that nothing untoward goes on at bath time. What evidence do you have that he is sexually molesting his own kids?

In the Martin Bashir documentary, his kids (what little you saw of them) appeared to be pretty happy.

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
The current accusers brother not only described his erect penis, but also the fact he has white splotches on it and his butt.

Yes, and you, and Tabb, and others have also accurately described MJ's penis. Were you, Tabb, etc. molested by MJ? Or perhaps you read a description of his penis on the web like everyonbe else. Keep in mind, there were descriptions of his penis in the public domain prior to this trial.

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
MJ is a sick dog, and anyone with any life experience can tell what he's all about.

You are very stupid.

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
If the trial/ciil suit bankrupts him, maybe he could get a job as a Catholic Priest.