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mhillary

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm wondering what he'll do if he goes to jail. Would he just accept it? It would have to be a complete nightmare for him, more than even most celebrities given his bizarreness. (I"m thinking his celebrity status will protect his rear-end, if you know what I mean).

I think he would not except going to jail. He would avoid going.

 
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Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
I tell you what, though. If he'd pay me off with $30 million, I'd let him molest ALL my orifices all damn day long :)

Jason

Fvck that, I need college money! $500 for books is all I need! :(

You cheap whore :)

Jason
 
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: aidanjm
one porn magazine (out of a case full of porn mags in the house) with both MJ's prints and the kid's prints.
conflicting accounts from 2 people (the accuser and his brother) on 2 episodes of "fondling" - which supposedly occurred AFTER the Martin Bashir documentary
allowing children to consume alcohol

that's all the evidence. it's not enough to convict, imo.

That's not all the evidence, they also have FIVE kids who claim to have been molested, some of them also paid off. They are going to testify according to news reports on Monday. It's not a videotape or smoking penis, to be sure, but multiple childrens' testimony to the same effect could *easily* be enough to convict.

And in all honesty, maybe they SHOULD convict. If he's guilty, he's *bad* guilty. If he's not, I hope he swears off of helping "unfortunate" children and never gives anyone another dime.

Jason

Well, no, the prosecutors don't have 5 kids who claim to have been molested. 2 of the 5 claim NOT to have been molested. In one case, it is the parents claiming the kid was molested (the child says it didn't happen; this kid has sued for emancipation from the parents). None of these 5 cases were strong enough to prosecute on their own.

Maybe that's true about them not being strong enough on their own, maybe it isn't: the five combined could easily spell the end for Jacko.

In any case, while I was *absolutely* convinced of his innocence the first time around (what kind of parent would take *money* to shut up if they sincerely believed their child had been molested? I'll tell you one thing: If *I* sincerely believed that had happened to my child, the only police/court involvement would have been when *I* was arrested standing over Jackson's dead, twitching corpse) but with these continued allegations, there may in fact be some merit to the claims.

Whatever is right, let Justice be done. But let's not sit here and pretend that *any* of us knows the truth conclusively.

Jason
 

Hossenfeffer

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My thoughts...

I don't care. Give me a little blurb in the news when a verdict is handed down. I have a degree of faith that the justice system will work. Perfect? nah, I have my doubts on that.



I might just be bitter that the Michael Jackson joke I posted in OT got locked in under 30 seconds. Talk about a shot to the gut. Hrmph. You'd think somebody pissed in my cheerios.
 

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Bashir didn't pull his punches in other parts of the documentary. But I am offering you my impressions of his kids, based on their outward appearance. (i.e., they appeared carefree, untroubled, they looked like they were thriving).

You're the one telling me looks are decieveing! Micheal Jackson looks like a freak, but that doesn't mean he's a child molester right? Just because the kids look great doesn't mean they are okay.

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
I dont even want to think about what goes on in the bathtub with "daddy" at bath time for these little darlin's. And I have yet to see any plausible explanation for the third baby he has "aquired". How about a DNA test for all three????
(Dont hold your breath).

Of course, another possibility is that nothing untoward goes on at bath time. What evidence do you have that he is sexually molesting his own kids?

In the Martin Bashir documentary, his kids (what little you saw of them) appeared to be pretty happy.

He's molestings kids? He held his newborn child of a balcony in germany! ONE HANDED!

That is irresponsible or thoughtless behavior. You can't equate that kind of irresponsibility or thoughtlessness with the sexual molestation of children.

Why the fvck not! Sexual abuse of a child is thoughtless and irresponsible behavior!


Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
MJ wears lipstick, affects an artificially high female voice, wears a woman's wig, hates the fact he was born black (self hate), and was so fearful of his father that he used to vomit sometimes at the mere sight of him.

So fvcking what?

How does any of the above shed any light, whatsoever, on the question at hand (whether he sexually molested the kid)?

It shows that Micheal is unsatsified with him self and will goto extreme measures to correct it. This shows that he has abused himself and his more than likely abused. We know form millions of cases of abuse, that abuses often become abusers.

People who are sexually abused as children are at risk of becoming abusers.

However people who self-harm (e.g., cut themselves) or are addicted to plastic surgery are not at any higher risk of sexually molesting children. Your link between plastic surgery addiction, a "feminine" voice, use of make-up, self-loathing, etc. AND pedophilia is totally spurious.


Exactly, Micheal Jackson may have been definatly abused at an early age.

Tell me this. You have two people, one is is the average joe hasn't hade any major surgery and then you have Micheal Jackson. Which one do you think would has more "issuses"...

Which kids are these? Are you talking about the current case?

Childeren interviewed during the orginal 1993 ordeal. Police interviewed kids who had been with micheal jackson and they were able to accurately id his wang. That's just disgusteding...

 

Grunt03

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I would say that the children being able to identify his wancker is sickening.
No matter what the verdic amounts to, I think that he is guilty with or without the money.
 

IdaGno

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if it walks like a duck & sounds like a duck, then yeah, it probably is a serial pedophile
 

Yellow Dog

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Originally posted by: aidanjm

no, he's not a perfect example of why child labor laws are needed.

MacDonald's and Walmart are perfect examples of why child labor laws are needed and required.
you equate child molestation with McDonalds or Wal-mart. Don't you think that is a bit of a reach?
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Yellow Dog
Originally posted by: aidanjm

no, he's not a perfect example of why child labor laws are needed.

MacDonald's and Walmart are perfect examples of why child labor laws are needed and required.
you equate child molestation with McDonalds or Wal-mart. Don't you think that is a bit of a reach?

uh... why are you quoting me without including the post I was responding to? NO, I am not equating child molestation with McDonald's or Walmart. I was responding to another person's comment that Michael Jackson is the reason we need child labor laws.

 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Tabb
Bashir didn't pull his punches in other parts of the documentary. But I am offering you my impressions of his kids, based on their outward appearance. (i.e., they appeared carefree, untroubled, they looked like they were thriving).

You're the one telling me looks are decieveing! Micheal Jackson looks like a freak, but that doesn't mean he's a child molester right? Just because the kids look great doesn't mean they are okay.

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
I dont even want to think about what goes on in the bathtub with "daddy" at bath time for these little darlin's. And I have yet to see any plausible explanation for the third baby he has "aquired". How about a DNA test for all three????
(Dont hold your breath).

Of course, another possibility is that nothing untoward goes on at bath time. What evidence do you have that he is sexually molesting his own kids?

In the Martin Bashir documentary, his kids (what little you saw of them) appeared to be pretty happy.

He's molestings kids? He held his newborn child of a balcony in germany! ONE HANDED!

That is irresponsible or thoughtless behavior. You can't equate that kind of irresponsibility or thoughtlessness with the sexual molestation of children.

Why the fvck not! Sexual abuse of a child is thoughtless and irresponsible behavior!


Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
MJ wears lipstick, affects an artificially high female voice, wears a woman's wig, hates the fact he was born black (self hate), and was so fearful of his father that he used to vomit sometimes at the mere sight of him.

So fvcking what?

How does any of the above shed any light, whatsoever, on the question at hand (whether he sexually molested the kid)?

It shows that Micheal is unsatsified with him self and will goto extreme measures to correct it. This shows that he has abused himself and his more than likely abused. We know form millions of cases of abuse, that abuses often become abusers.

People who are sexually abused as children are at risk of becoming abusers.

However people who self-harm (e.g., cut themselves) or are addicted to plastic surgery are not at any higher risk of sexually molesting children. Your link between plastic surgery addiction, a "feminine" voice, use of make-up, self-loathing, etc. AND pedophilia is totally spurious.


Exactly, Micheal Jackson may have been definatly abused at an early age.

Tell me this. You have two people, one is is the average joe hasn't hade any major surgery and then you have Micheal Jackson. Which one do you think would has more "issuses"...

Which kids are these? Are you talking about the current case?

Childeren interviewed during the orginal 1993 ordeal. Police interviewed kids who had been with micheal jackson and they were able to accurately id his wang. That's just disgusteding...

look - I don't believe or take on face value any of the claims you have made. Why? Because you haven't provided a single, reputable link. Also, your approach is unbalanced. For example, there are people (in positions to know) saying the 1993 case was a frame job perpetrated by the LA (?) police department.

 

wchou

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michael is still richasfuck so i can see why he is the target of child molester. It's just easy money for the scum in the real world to get rich by doing no work other then suing and bitching like theirs no tomorrow. I'm sure most children in the 3rd world get molested quite often, now why isn't that on the news?
If mike is a bum on the road, I don't think anyone would care anymore!
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Bashir didn't pull his punches in other parts of the documentary. But I am offering you my impressions of his kids, based on their outward appearance. (i.e., they appeared carefree, untroubled, they looked like they were thriving).

You're the one telling me looks are decieveing! Micheal Jackson looks like a freak, but that doesn't mean he's a child molester right? Just because the kids look great doesn't mean they are okay.

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
I dont even want to think about what goes on in the bathtub with "daddy" at bath time for these little darlin's. And I have yet to see any plausible explanation for the third baby he has "aquired". How about a DNA test for all three????
(Dont hold your breath).

Of course, another possibility is that nothing untoward goes on at bath time. What evidence do you have that he is sexually molesting his own kids?

In the Martin Bashir documentary, his kids (what little you saw of them) appeared to be pretty happy.

He's molestings kids? He held his newborn child of a balcony in germany! ONE HANDED!

That is irresponsible or thoughtless behavior. You can't equate that kind of irresponsibility or thoughtlessness with the sexual molestation of children.

Why the fvck not! Sexual abuse of a child is thoughtless and irresponsible behavior!


Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
MJ wears lipstick, affects an artificially high female voice, wears a woman's wig, hates the fact he was born black (self hate), and was so fearful of his father that he used to vomit sometimes at the mere sight of him.

So fvcking what?

How does any of the above shed any light, whatsoever, on the question at hand (whether he sexually molested the kid)?

It shows that Micheal is unsatsified with him self and will goto extreme measures to correct it. This shows that he has abused himself and his more than likely abused. We know form millions of cases of abuse, that abuses often become abusers.

People who are sexually abused as children are at risk of becoming abusers.

However people who self-harm (e.g., cut themselves) or are addicted to plastic surgery are not at any higher risk of sexually molesting children. Your link between plastic surgery addiction, a "feminine" voice, use of make-up, self-loathing, etc. AND pedophilia is totally spurious.


Exactly, Micheal Jackson may have been definatly abused at an early age.

Tell me this. You have two people, one is is the average joe hasn't hade any major surgery and then you have Micheal Jackson. Which one do you think would has more "issuses"...

Which kids are these? Are you talking about the current case?

Childeren interviewed during the orginal 1993 ordeal. Police interviewed kids who had been with micheal jackson and they were able to accurately id his wang. That's just disgusteding...

look - I don't believe or take on face value any of the claims you have made. Why? Because you haven't provided a single, reputable link. Also, your approach is unbalanced. For example, there are people (in positions to know) saying the 1993 case was a frame job perpetrated by the LA (?) police department.

I don't need to post a damn link! Why the hell did you start debating me in the first place then?My god you are fvcking dense! Do you think I have some personal vendetta agaisnt the man. You quickly change the subject to the credibility of the police departments. It has NOTHING to do with the police departments! The orginal 1993 case was setteled OUT OF COURT!
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: wchou
michael is still richasfuck so i can see why he is the target of child molester. It's just easy money for the scum in the real world to get rich by doing no work other then suing and bitching like theirs no tomorrow. I'm sure most children in the 3rd world get molested quite often, now why isn't that on the news?
If mike is a bum on the road, I don't think anyone would care anymore!

Yes we would, he'd just be in jail or dead a lot sooner.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Bashir didn't pull his punches in other parts of the documentary. But I am offering you my impressions of his kids, based on their outward appearance. (i.e., they appeared carefree, untroubled, they looked like they were thriving).

You're the one telling me looks are decieveing! Micheal Jackson looks like a freak, but that doesn't mean he's a child molester right? Just because the kids look great doesn't mean they are okay.

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
I dont even want to think about what goes on in the bathtub with "daddy" at bath time for these little darlin's. And I have yet to see any plausible explanation for the third baby he has "aquired". How about a DNA test for all three????
(Dont hold your breath).

Of course, another possibility is that nothing untoward goes on at bath time. What evidence do you have that he is sexually molesting his own kids?

In the Martin Bashir documentary, his kids (what little you saw of them) appeared to be pretty happy.

He's molestings kids? He held his newborn child of a balcony in germany! ONE HANDED!

That is irresponsible or thoughtless behavior. You can't equate that kind of irresponsibility or thoughtlessness with the sexual molestation of children.

Why the fvck not! Sexual abuse of a child is thoughtless and irresponsible behavior!


Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
MJ wears lipstick, affects an artificially high female voice, wears a woman's wig, hates the fact he was born black (self hate), and was so fearful of his father that he used to vomit sometimes at the mere sight of him.

So fvcking what?

How does any of the above shed any light, whatsoever, on the question at hand (whether he sexually molested the kid)?

It shows that Micheal is unsatsified with him self and will goto extreme measures to correct it. This shows that he has abused himself and his more than likely abused. We know form millions of cases of abuse, that abuses often become abusers.

People who are sexually abused as children are at risk of becoming abusers.

However people who self-harm (e.g., cut themselves) or are addicted to plastic surgery are not at any higher risk of sexually molesting children. Your link between plastic surgery addiction, a "feminine" voice, use of make-up, self-loathing, etc. AND pedophilia is totally spurious.


Exactly, Micheal Jackson may have been definatly abused at an early age.

Tell me this. You have two people, one is is the average joe hasn't hade any major surgery and then you have Micheal Jackson. Which one do you think would has more "issuses"...

Which kids are these? Are you talking about the current case?

Childeren interviewed during the orginal 1993 ordeal. Police interviewed kids who had been with micheal jackson and they were able to accurately id his wang. That's just disgusteding...

look - I don't believe or take on face value any of the claims you have made. Why? Because you haven't provided a single, reputable link. Also, your approach is unbalanced. For example, there are people (in positions to know) saying the 1993 case was a frame job perpetrated by the LA (?) police department.

I don't need to post a damn link!

Well, yes, you do need to post a damn link if you're making fact claims.

Originally posted by: Tabb
Why the hell did you start debating me in the first place then? My god you are fvcking dense!

Thanks. :)

Originally posted by: Tabb
Do you think I have some personal vendetta agaisnt the man.

I think you are maybe too lazy to sustain a clear line of argument.


Originally posted by: Tabb
You quickly change the subject to the credibility of the police departments. It has NOTHING to do with the police departments! The orginal 1993 case was setteled OUT OF COURT!

This is what you said:
Childeren interviewed during the orginal 1993 ordeal. Police interviewed kids who had been with micheal jackson and they were able to accurately id his wang. That's just disgusteding.

I.e., the police were involved in the 1993 "ordeal" (according to you). Police interviewed children and (according to you) found they were able to "accurately identify his wang". My comment is that there are people who seem to think that the police work in 1993 was tainted, fabricated, dishonest, and that the police were seeking essentially to frame Jackson. If that is really the case, then it makes it more difficult to assess the worth of claims that kids were able to identify his penis by surface markings. And by the way, I am not "changing the subject", I was responding directly to your comments.

 

Grunt03

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the sad thing about the entire situation, no matter what good MJ has done in the past, no matter how many children he helped, the current situation will forever change the way people look, treat and react to MJ.
He and he alone has created this situation, I wonder where all of the staff were? You know the body guards, his manager, any of the ones who are traveling with him. Oh wait they are there for the ride and for the money.

I think that should MJ survive this one, he should fire everyone on his staff, and start fresh.

I know I would.....
 

Tab

Lifer
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Bashir didn't pull his punches in other parts of the documentary. But I am offering you my impressions of his kids, based on their outward appearance. (i.e., they appeared carefree, untroubled, they looked like they were thriving).

You're the one telling me looks are decieveing! Micheal Jackson looks like a freak, but that doesn't mean he's a child molester right? Just because the kids look great doesn't mean they are okay.

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
I dont even want to think about what goes on in the bathtub with "daddy" at bath time for these little darlin's. And I have yet to see any plausible explanation for the third baby he has "aquired". How about a DNA test for all three????
(Dont hold your breath).

Of course, another possibility is that nothing untoward goes on at bath time. What evidence do you have that he is sexually molesting his own kids?

In the Martin Bashir documentary, his kids (what little you saw of them) appeared to be pretty happy.

He's molestings kids? He held his newborn child of a balcony in germany! ONE HANDED!

That is irresponsible or thoughtless behavior. You can't equate that kind of irresponsibility or thoughtlessness with the sexual molestation of children.

Why the fvck not! Sexual abuse of a child is thoughtless and irresponsible behavior!


Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
MJ wears lipstick, affects an artificially high female voice, wears a woman's wig, hates the fact he was born black (self hate), and was so fearful of his father that he used to vomit sometimes at the mere sight of him.

So fvcking what?

How does any of the above shed any light, whatsoever, on the question at hand (whether he sexually molested the kid)?

It shows that Micheal is unsatsified with him self and will goto extreme measures to correct it. This shows that he has abused himself and his more than likely abused. We know form millions of cases of abuse, that abuses often become abusers.

People who are sexually abused as children are at risk of becoming abusers.

However people who self-harm (e.g., cut themselves) or are addicted to plastic surgery are not at any higher risk of sexually molesting children. Your link between plastic surgery addiction, a "feminine" voice, use of make-up, self-loathing, etc. AND pedophilia is totally spurious.


Exactly, Micheal Jackson may have been definatly abused at an early age.

Tell me this. You have two people, one is is the average joe hasn't hade any major surgery and then you have Micheal Jackson. Which one do you think would has more "issuses"...

Which kids are these? Are you talking about the current case?

Childeren interviewed during the orginal 1993 ordeal. Police interviewed kids who had been with micheal jackson and they were able to accurately id his wang. That's just disgusteding...

look - I don't believe or take on face value any of the claims you have made. Why? Because you haven't provided a single, reputable link. Also, your approach is unbalanced. For example, there are people (in positions to know) saying the 1993 case was a frame job perpetrated by the LA (?) police department.

I don't need to post a damn link!

Well, yes, you do need to post a damn link if you're making fact claims.

Originally posted by: Tabb
Why the hell did you start debating me in the first place then? My god you are fvcking dense!

Thanks. :)

Originally posted by: Tabb
Do you think I have some personal vendetta agaisnt the man.

I think you are maybe too lazy to sustain a clear line of argument.


Originally posted by: Tabb
You quickly change the subject to the credibility of the police departments. It has NOTHING to do with the police departments! The orginal 1993 case was setteled OUT OF COURT!

This is what you said:
Childeren interviewed during the orginal 1993 ordeal. Police interviewed kids who had been with micheal jackson and they were able to accurately id his wang. That's just disgusteding.

I.e., the police were involved in the 1993 "ordeal" (according to you). Police interviewed children and (according to you) found they were able to "accurately identify his wang". My comment is that there are people who seem to think that the police work in 1993 was tainted, fabricated, dishonest, and that the police were seeking essentially to frame Jackson. If that is really the case, then it makes it more difficult to assess the worth of claims that kids were able to identify his penis by surface markings. And by the way, I am not "changing the subject", I was responding directly to your comments.

When you start putting out sources for the police "conspiracy" I'll start putting out sources... ;)

Of course, if you want... You can watch VH1's specials.... They're bound to air the Jackson epsidoes......
 

Grunt03

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will you to ever stop going at it?

no rush it has been quite delightful reading your comments........:confused:
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Grunt03
will you to ever stop going at it?

no rush it has been quite delightful reading your comments........:confused:

you would like to end your thread? why? IMO starting a thread is a tiny bit like having a baby... you create it, but you can't control it, or decide what direction it takes, or when it will grind to a halt. You don't have to constantly monitor it, or try to end it, you have to let it live it's own life. :)
 

IGBT

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..he may be close to offing him self. He'll fail to show up for court again and will be found hung on a light fixture..or fell off the roof or something. I don't think he can hack the big house or spend the next few years shuckin and jivin in court. On the high side of 40..he's running out of life.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
You don't consider the accurate descriptions of his erect penis as evidence?

evidence of what? that he raped or molested a child?

and where are these accurate descriptions of MJ's erect penis?

http://fray.slate.msn.com/id/2113461/ Start reading...


I think you need to read the article you posted from that blog again. All it says is that MJ's wang is colored like a barber shop pole as described by police detectives because of his skin bleaching. There is nothing in that blog article that says that the alleged victim in this recent court case succesfully described the way that it looked in court. The only accurate descriptions it seems about MJ"s penis were given by police detectives.