The media is killing health care reform

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Patranus
"The Media" got Obama elected so whats your point?

You mean the absolutely dismal performance of the prior Republican Administration and McCain picking a dumber than a rock Bimbo as a running mate didn't have anything to do with it?:roll:

Thats pretty much exactly what I was thinking. I'm not especially pro or anti Obama, but its pretty clear the media in general loves him, and I dont think they'd deliberately sabotage him, especially considering how smooth he is and how good a public impression he makes.

 

[ZeGermans]

In the interest of being "fair to both sides" the media present democratic and republican commentary in equal light, and don't dare point out how utterly false the majority of republican talking points are.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Did you miss my suggestion that you could start by proposing a small 10-page bill that would specifically address, via regulations, just that one issue?

My guess is that such a bill would pass with little to no trouble at all.

Short, specific, and effective 10 page bills > 1000 page debacles.

What's going to be in this 10-page bill?

Specific regulation to halt the practice of denials of enrollment and treatments by private insurance companies.

In other words, we should attack the healthcare problems one at a time in an effective and coherent manner, instead of trying to take on every single issue in one massive and unreadable piece of garbage.

Okay, so no one will be denied due to a pre-existing condition or be dropped from their insurance plan after undergoing a costly health care procedure, but will the insurance companies be allowed to charge premiums so high that they cannot afford it, effectively denying them?

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
In the interest of being "fair to both sides" the media present democratic and republican commentary in equal light, and don't dare point out how utterly false the majority of republican talking points are.

Bingo :thumbsup:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I'm in the industry and my bottom line and workload will likely be affected by health care reform (lower pay and a tax hike)

:thumbsup:

Bout time the overpaid scamming medical and insurance industries joins the rest of the club of the overworked, underpaid and taxed the shit out of club.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I'm in the industry and my bottom line and workload will likely be affected by health care reform (lower pay and a tax hike)

:thumbsup:

Bout time the overpaid scamming medical and insurance industries joins the rest of the club of the overworked, underpaid and taxed the shit out of club.

Ah yes, the class envy/warfare card.

I'm sure you went to 8+ years of school to master your profession like a doctor does.....

 

[Slew Foot]

The media isnt killing reform. A shitty bunch of proposals is killing reform.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: OCguy
Yea, it has nothing to do with a rushed turd of a bill in a time when we have no money to spend.

We should keep letting Republicans start endless wars and occupations, doubling our deficit.. so by the time someone else gets in, they are stuck doing nothing because we have "no money to spend."

Great argument.

I'm sorry, I forgot that we here at AT pretend that the democrats didnt fund and vote for Iraq.

Oh man, did I forget that republicans had complete control of both houses with a president as well then? Because that kinda means that the ones in complete control of all of congress and the executive should shoulder the blame... IF you have a brain.

Oh man, did you forget that the dems have complete control of both houses (with a supermajority in the senate) with a president as well then? Because that kinda means that the ones in complete control of all of congress and the executive should shoulder the blame... IF you have a brain. Oh wait, you don't.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I'm in the industry and my bottom line and workload will likely be affected by health care reform (lower pay and a tax hike)

:thumbsup:

Bout time the overpaid scamming medical and insurance industries joins the rest of the club of the overworked, underpaid and taxed the shit out of club.

Ah yes, the class envy/warfare card.

I'm sure you went to 8+ years of school to master your profession like a doctor does.....

To learn how to scam people, no thank you

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

To learn how to scam people, no thank you

WOW, what an idiot. People who dedicate their lives to helping others and go through absolute hell in med school, residency, etc. are "scamming" people.

You have NO clue what it is like to have to work like that. How many years did you spend in school??

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I'm in the industry and my bottom line and workload will likely be affected by health care reform (lower pay and a tax hike)

:thumbsup:

Bout time the overpaid scamming medical and insurance industries joins the rest of the club of the overworked, underpaid and taxed the shit out of club.

Ah yes, the class envy/warfare card.

I'm sure you went to 8+ years of school to master your profession like a doctor does.....

To learn how to scam people, no thank you

It's clear that in your time off you didn't spend it reading. Damn. If nurses like Pliablemoose and doctors are scamming, are we supposed to go to you if we need surgery?

 

[blackangst1]

Topic: The media is killing health care reform

Problem: no reform is being offered.

I think what the OP meant was: The media is killing the current health care bill

To which I say bravo!

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Did you miss my suggestion that you could start by proposing a small 10-page bill that would specifically address, via regulations, just that one issue?

My guess is that such a bill would pass with little to no trouble at all.

Short, specific, and effective 10 page bills > 1000 page debacles.

What's going to be in this 10-page bill?

Specific regulation to halt the practice of denials of enrollment and treatments by private insurance companies.

In other words, we should attack the healthcare problems one at a time in an effective and coherent manner, instead of trying to take on every single issue in one massive and unreadable piece of garbage.

Okay, so no one will be denied due to a pre-existing condition or be dropped from their insurance plan after undergoing a costly health care procedure, but will the insurance companies be allowed to charge premiums so high that they cannot afford it, effectively denying them?

We can regulate premiums, perhaps as a factor of inflation, in our second 10-page masterpiece.

Baby steps to healthcare nirvana.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
In the interest of being "fair to both sides" the media present democratic and republican commentary in equal light, and don't dare point out how utterly false the majority of republican talking points are.

Yeah, because we all know that the media are generally right-wing folks who do nothing but bash Obama any chance they get :roll: Idiot.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Notice that yesterday, CNN showed Obama claiming that the AARP is behind the UHC proposals.

Then the COO of the AARP issues a statement immediately aftwards stating that the AARP is NOT behind and still evaluating the impact.

It was Obama's making the statement, not the media.
And CNN is not Fox News - the infomration did not come from talking heads, but from Obama's lips
READ HIS LIPS


Why would he make such a statement?

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Notice that yesterday, CNN showed Obama claiming that the AARP is behind the UHC proposals.

Then the COO of the AARP issues a statement immediately aftwards stating that the AARP is NOT behind and still evaluating the impact.

It was Obama's making the statement, not the media.
And CNN is not Fox News - the infomration did not come from talking heads, but from Obama's lips
READ HIS LIPS

Why would he make such a statement?

Thanks for the heads-up... I just reported President Obama to flag@whitehouse.gov

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52418

President Obama:

?Well, first of all, another myth that we've been hearing about is this notion that somehow we're going to be cutting your Medicare benefits. We are not,? Obama said at a town hall meeting in Portsmouth, N.H. ?AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare, okay??

Obama also said: ?We have the AARP on board because they know this is a good deal for our seniors,? Obama said.

AARP COO:

?While the President was correct that AARP will not endorse a health care reform bill that would reduce Medicare benefits, indications that we have endorsed any of the major health care reform bills currently under consideration in Congress are inaccurate,? AARP Chief Operating Officer Tom Nelson said in a statement.

WH Spokesman Backpedaling:

?What the president said--the AARP has said they are certainly supportive for years of health care reform that is comprehensive,? Gibbs said.

I love it!

 

[ccbadd]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I thought Congress had already exempted themselves from this.

Anyway in this case the ends justify whatever means are going on. The current bills is a mess, so however it dies it's probably for the best. There is NO reason in the world to rush this thing as it is being rushed. It needs to be refined massively.

Except if something isn't rushed through congress, it doesn't get done, period. ANYTHING that exempts pre-existing conditions and cancellations of insurances, is worth WHATEVER COST WE HAVE TO PAY. We have unlimited funds for 2-10+ year occupations of foreign countries, but when it comes to our own people, we do nothing.

Republicans had control for 12 years and did NOTHING. They have always been against ANYTHING that hurts for profit companies(even if they kill our people). Republican presidents have actively been against it, using smear campaigns and outright lies(as they are doing now) to derail it.

So, if you want to blame the rush, blame the republicans and their smear and distortion campaigns that REQUIRE any bills to be rushed.

The "oh no, it is being rushed" cries are nonsense, with the republican backed smearing and distorting campaign, which over time will erode efforts if there were to be a longer timetable for planning.

Blame the republicans which never have and never will support any health reform and consistently spread lies to erode support with the braindead common people.

Blame whomever you want, because there's plenty of blame to go around. Blaming is, however, not constructive, and will do nothing to reform health care costs.

A bad plan is worse than no plan at all. A bad plan that will have far-reaching consequences over the course of the rest of our lifetimes, and the lifetimes of our children is much worse than nothing at all.

Congress was deliberately created to be ponderous and slow-reacting for a reason. I tend to agree with that concept.

It absolutely does. Republicans have never and will never do ANYTHING to reform healthcare and that was evident by 14 years of congress control.

Therefore, their "issues" now are not to be taken seriously, because they do not want reform, as evidenced above.

BRAINS....

How old are you, 12??

You are a complete idiot if you do not believe HSA's (created under Bush) are not a vast improvement to health insurance. You basically self insure for minor things and only pay insurers to manage the provider network and insure the major medical. If a person starts contributing at age 20 and accumulates an account to cover later life, the cost is spread over the life of the consumer and leaves no or little burden on society. Costs are managed by provider agreements and risk is mitigated over a long time, in the end you save a lot and my taxes don't go up. And since you are self insuring, who gives a damn about preexisting illnesses. Bush just did not force companies to offer it and very few actually do.

The house plan's biggest problem is clarity. It is so vague that, if enacted, could be interpreted is not many scary ways all the things people are afraid of could be implemented over time with no additional legislation being required, just regulation.

The other problem is that this bill encompasses health insurance and HEALTH CARE. Health care is not the problem, but it ignores the big real problems, illegal immigration and tort reform. It is completely dis-honest to not stop and identify the complete problem before spending this kind of money.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Did you miss my suggestion that you could start by proposing a small 10-page bill that would specifically address, via regulations, just that one issue?

My guess is that such a bill would pass with little to no trouble at all.

Short, specific, and effective 10 page bills > 1000 page debacles.

What's going to be in this 10-page bill?

Specific regulation to halt the practice of denials of enrollment and treatments by private insurance companies.

In other words, we should attack the healthcare problems one at a time in an effective and coherent manner, instead of trying to take on every single issue in one massive and unreadable piece of garbage.

Okay, so no one will be denied due to a pre-existing condition or be dropped from their insurance plan after undergoing a costly health care procedure, but will the insurance companies be allowed to charge premiums so high that they cannot afford it, effectively denying them?

We can regulate premiums, perhaps as a factor of inflation, in our second 10-page masterpiece.

Baby steps to healthcare nirvana.

Since the government is now regulating (limiting) premiums the insurance companies can collect, will the insurance companies being setting hard limits on health care benefits received over a lifetime?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan


I love it!

Obama lies, seniors die

 

[ccbadd]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Did you miss my suggestion that you could start by proposing a small 10-page bill that would specifically address, via regulations, just that one issue?

My guess is that such a bill would pass with little to no trouble at all.

Short, specific, and effective 10 page bills > 1000 page debacles.

What's going to be in this 10-page bill?

Specific regulation to halt the practice of denials of enrollment and treatments by private insurance companies.

In other words, we should attack the healthcare problems one at a time in an effective and coherent manner, instead of trying to take on every single issue in one massive and unreadable piece of garbage.

Okay, so no one will be denied due to a pre-existing condition or be dropped from their insurance plan after undergoing a costly health care procedure, but will the insurance companies be allowed to charge premiums so high that they cannot afford it, effectively denying them?

We can regulate premiums, perhaps as a factor of inflation, in our second 10-page masterpiece.

Baby steps to healthcare nirvana.

Since the government is now regulating (limiting) premiums the insurance companies can collect, will the insurance companies being setting hard limits on health care benefits received over a lifetime?

You know, if we quit the name calling and partisan crap talk in this thread, I bet we could put together a wildly better bill then congress. Why don't we give it a try and see if AT can come up with a plan for all?

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Did you miss my suggestion that you could start by proposing a small 10-page bill that would specifically address, via regulations, just that one issue?

My guess is that such a bill would pass with little to no trouble at all.

Short, specific, and effective 10 page bills > 1000 page debacles.

What's going to be in this 10-page bill?

Specific regulation to halt the practice of denials of enrollment and treatments by private insurance companies.

In other words, we should attack the healthcare problems one at a time in an effective and coherent manner, instead of trying to take on every single issue in one massive and unreadable piece of garbage.

Okay, so no one will be denied due to a pre-existing condition or be dropped from their insurance plan after undergoing a costly health care procedure, but will the insurance companies be allowed to charge premiums so high that they cannot afford it, effectively denying them?

We can regulate premiums, perhaps as a factor of inflation, in our second 10-page masterpiece.

Baby steps to healthcare nirvana.

Since the government is now regulating (limiting) premiums the insurance companies can collect, will the insurance companies being setting hard limits on health care benefits received over a lifetime?

lol... ok, I think we've reached the end of where I need to go with these theoretical single-issue proposals. But, I also think you still get my point, right? We could implement reform in much smaller chunks and still get to where we need to be. 1000+ pages of mostly ambiguous language that might create more problems than what we have now just simply won't cut it.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: FerrelGeek

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: OCguy
Yea, it has nothing to do with a rushed turd of a bill in a time when we have no money to spend.

We should keep letting Republicans start endless wars and occupations, doubling our deficit.. so by the time someone else gets in, they are stuck doing nothing because we have "no money to spend."

Great argument.

I'm sorry, I forgot that we here at AT pretend that the democrats didnt fund and vote for Iraq.

Oh man, did I forget that republicans had complete control of both houses with a president as well then? Because that kinda means that the ones in complete control of all of congress and the executive should shoulder the blame... IF you have a brain.

Oh man, did you forget that the dems have complete control of both houses (with a supermajority in the senate) with a president as well then? Because that kinda means that the ones in complete control of all of congress and the executive should shoulder the blame... IF you have a brain. Oh wait, you don't.

Again, the blame for what?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Again, the blame for what?

What exactly are you blaming the Republicans for again? Not passing UHC?

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: FerrelGeek

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: OCguy
Yea, it has nothing to do with a rushed turd of a bill in a time when we have no money to spend.

We should keep letting Republicans start endless wars and occupations, doubling our deficit.. so by the time someone else gets in, they are stuck doing nothing because we have "no money to spend."

Great argument.

I'm sorry, I forgot that we here at AT pretend that the democrats didnt fund and vote for Iraq.

Oh man, did I forget that republicans had complete control of both houses with a president as well then? Because that kinda means that the ones in complete control of all of congress and the executive should shoulder the blame... IF you have a brain.

Oh man, did you forget that the dems have complete control of both houses (with a supermajority in the senate) with a president as well then? Because that kinda means that the ones in complete control of all of congress and the executive should shoulder the blame... IF you have a brain. Oh wait, you don't.

Again, the blame for what?

You're already blaming "hick Democrats" and Republicans for the stall on healthcare reform.

Let's just wait and see who you blame when the proposals fail altogether.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: her209
Since the government is now regulating (limiting) premiums the insurance companies can collect, will the insurance companies being setting hard limits on health care benefits received over a lifetime?

lol... ok, I think we've reached the end of where I need to go with these theoretical single-issue proposals. But, I also think you still get my point, right? We could implement reform in much smaller chunks and still get to where we need to be. 1000+ pages of mostly ambiguous language that might create more problems than what we have now just simply won't cut it.

Why? You're going to have to deal with the consequences (intended and unintended) sooner or later so that 10-page bill turns into a 100-page bill.