Well I read "Neo is a machine" and assumed the whole frigging post was about thatOriginally posted by: thirtythree
how do you know it was all talked about if you didn't read it?Originally posted by: bootymac
HOLY SH1T. I liked the Matrix and all, maybe even appreciated it, but no way in hell am I reading all that
Besides, this was all talked about when it was in theaters
i got about half way through before i started skipping around. I bookmarked it to read later on...with what i've read so far, it's very good and pretty well in-depth. Thanks for taking the time to do a great write up!
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Originally posted by: thirtythree
how do you know it was all talked about if you didn't read it?Originally posted by: bootymac
HOLY SH1T. I liked the Matrix and all, maybe even appreciated it, but no way in hell am I reading all that
Besides, this was all talked about when it was in theaters
Exactly, thanks.
ok, when you start out a 30 page paper with "It's about what was interpited" i refuse to finish.
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well i think your interpretation of neo's purpose is off, and i'm going primarily off the quote you posted "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix." remember that the matrix is a program whose purpose is to "enslave the minds of humans." however, for all its inginuity it's not a perfect program. its fundamental flaw is that it attempts to model the human mind by a series of equations. because the machines don't completely understand humans, this task is by no means easy. therefore, the matrix is flawed. the architect, however, wants to make the matrix program perfect......"his purpose is to balance the equation." so, he created the one. the "sum remainder..." is all the mistakes that the matrix couldn't grasp = neo "collects" these imperfections and reloads the new code when the time is right, so the next iteration of the matrix is slightly more perfected.
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Originally posted by: warcrow
Someone please read it. I put alot of work into it
I actually read all of it!
It really makes a lot of sense to me...and causes me to think about some elements in the trilogy differently than I had before (this is a good thing, mind you).
But at the same time...holy hell, how long did it take you to think of/organize/write all of that? :Q
Good read though.
It is very good critical thinking and obviously u have put a lot of effort to put all of it into creating a big picture thats makes sense. Well Done.
What you are saying might be correct but here is another way of seeing things.
Their is a self contradiction in the theory. The creation of Neo was to keep the rebellion (War between Humans and Machines) under control and in favor of the machines (to keep the matrix running). But then there would be no war/zion if there was no Neo. Nobody would be able jack out . Remember Neo is the one who frees the first of them (Morpheus in M1). And if unable to leave matrix the 0.1% that reject the Matrix just simply die like nutcases or terrorists with nobody really paying any attention to them. Like in Animatrix the athelete who sees the reality.
The real threat from the 0.1% emanates only when the instability gives rise to Neo who not only has the power to see the reality but also the power the reject the matrix (thereby attaining super powers). And with his super powers he can wreak havoc. To keep him under control the elaborate zion scheme is brought out. So that he can be blackmailed into surrendering and then start with creating a new zion which will be ready with his next coming. Without Neo the rebellion is a little bug which the Architect/Matrix can squash anytime.
So Neo is an Anomaly which the Architect has no control over and it shows up despite the best of his efforts. To tackle this situation the Zion cycle is created so that everytime Neo shows up there is already a zion and will keep him busy and eventually a string of events leading to destruction of the current zion and creating a new one.
With Neo returning to source the anomaly is eliminated and the prime code is reinserted (the prime code is the original matrix code) in effect the matrix is rebooted. and due the inherent flaw in the matrix programming the anomaly (neo) would show up again and they have zion ready for him to keep him under control.
You are right that the oracle is inserting code into Neo to make her do things she would like him to do. And remember the line between machine and humans is quite blurred. The machines tap into human brains and all brains functions can be interpreted a programs, allowing for artificial code to be inserted. Remember when Merovingian uses his specially created cake to seduce the chick in M2. Oracle is similarly doing this to direct Neo in a certain direction.
And obviosuly the oracle believes in humans/machines living in peace and together rather than one race enslaving another. which earlier the humans were doing and now the machines are doing as shown in Animatrix( Reminds me of Planet of Apes). She wants to end the conflict and would like each side to realise the importance of other and that neither could do without another.
Smith as u mentioned is probably created by oracle's cookie, so that he can go screw the machine world real bad. And since he has the power of Neo and able to replicate he really wreaks havoc which the architect had been avioding with Neo till now. She makes a gamble here hoping that Neo will eventually destroy smith or maybe she 'forsees' it. But she knows with smith up their ass the matrix will bargain with the humans as only neo can help them. Sort of makes each side realise the importance of each other.
The reason why neo is able to see the machines glowing is is that he has superpowers even in the real world. An he is a sort of messiah of the people. The matrix has strong religous understones and parallels have been drawn between him and Jesus Christ. Also the Wachowski brothers have drawn inspirations from several religions including Christainity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Zen etc. The dying of Neo in the climax and the surreal crucifixion are hard to miss. Potraying him as a messiah probably tries to show the spiritual side of human beings which the machines can probably never understand and therefore they cannot create the perfect matrix. The oracle probably realises that and therefore tries to change things from the current zionic control of Neo to a more harmonious relationship, as eventually this control might also fail.
Well these are my 2 cents.Ignore the typos as there is no way i am proof reading this. Hope i made sense
What you are saying might be correct but here is another way of seeing things.
Their is a self contradiction in the theory. The creation of Neo was to keep the rebellion (War between Humans and Machines) under control and in favor of the machines (to keep the matrix running). But then there would be no war/zion if there was no Neo. Nobody would be able jack out . Remember Neo is the one who frees the first of them (Morpheus in M1). And if unable to leave matrix the 0.1% that reject the Matrix just simply die like nutcases or terrorists with nobody really paying any attention to them. Like in Animatrix the athelete who sees the reality.
The real threat from the 0.1% emanates only when the instability gives rise to Neo who not only has the power to see the reality but also the power the reject the matrix (thereby attaining super powers). And with his super powers he can wreak havoc. To keep him under control the elaborate zion scheme is brought out. So that he can be blackmailed into surrendering and then start with creating a new zion which will be ready with his next coming. Without Neo the rebellion is a little bug which the Architect/Matrix can squash anytime.
So Neo is an Anomaly which the Architect has no control over and it shows up despite the best of his efforts. To tackle this situation the Zion cycle is created so that everytime Neo shows up there is already a zion and will keep him busy and eventually a string of events leading to destruction of the current zion and creating a new one.
With Neo returning to source the anomaly is eliminated and the prime code is reinserted (the prime code is the original matrix code) in effect the matrix is rebooted. and due the inherent flaw in the matrix programming the anomaly (neo) would show up again and they have zion ready for him to keep him under control.
You are right that the oracle is inserting code into Neo to make her do things she would like him to do. And remember the line between machine and humans is quite blurred. The machines tap into human brains and all brains functions can be interpreted a programs, allowing for artificial code to be inserted. Remember when Merovingian uses his specially created cake to seduce the chick in M2. Oracle is similarly doing this to direct Neo in a certain direction.
And obviosuly the oracle believes in humans/machines living in peace and together rather than one race enslaving another. which earlier the humans were doing and now the machines are doing as shown in Animatrix( Reminds me of Planet of Apes). She wants to end the conflict and would like each side to realise the importance of other and that neither could do without another.
Smith as u mentioned is probably created by oracle's cookie, so that he can go screw the machine world real bad. And since he has the power of Neo and able to replicate he really wreaks havoc which the architect had been avioding with Neo till now. She makes a gamble here hoping that Neo will eventually destroy smith or maybe she 'forsees' it. But she knows with smith up their ass the matrix will bargain with the humans as only neo can help them. Sort of makes each side realise the importance of each other.
The reason why neo is able to see the machines glowing is is that he has superpowers even in the real world. An he is a sort of messiah of the people. The matrix has strong religous understones and parallels have been drawn between him and Jesus Christ. Also the Wachowski brothers have drawn inspirations from several religions including Christainity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Zen etc. The dying of Neo in the climax and the surreal crucifixion are hard to miss. Potraying him as a messiah probably tries to show the spiritual side of human beings which the machines can probably never understand and therefore they cannot create the perfect matrix. The oracle probably realises that and therefore tries to change things from the current zionic control of Neo to a more harmonious relationship, as eventually this control might also fail.
Well these are my 2 cents.Ignore the typos as there is no way i am proof reading this. Hope i made sense
Why did you attack his spelling when you made numerous grammatical and spelling flaws in your own post?
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