The madness continues.

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So now medical care is not allowed for the enemy? Mass murder, rape, kidnapping, armed robbery, and now we take control of their pitiful hospital. God bless America.


Marines take control of Iraq hospital By ANTONIO CASTANEDA, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 24 minutes ago, July 5, 2006.


RAMADI, Iraq - Hundreds of U.S. Marines stormed through dimly lit hallways of the largest hospital in western Iraq on Wednesday, taking control of a facility allegedly used by insurgents ? and encountering a regional health infrastructure in serious decay.

Members of al-Qaida in Iraq had been using the Ramadi General Hospital, a seven-story building with some 250 beds, to treat their wounded and fire on U.S. troops in the area, the Marines said.

They said wounded Iraqi police officers who had been taken to the hospital were later found beheaded.

Though there was no resistance during Wednesday's operation, the Marines from the 3rd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment said they found about a dozen triggering devices for roadside bombs hidden above the tiled ceiling of one office. They knocked down dozens of locked doors and searched medicine chests and storage closets for additional weapons.

Hospitals are considered off-limits in traditional warfare. In western Ramadi, however, insurgents have fired on Marines from the rooftop of a women and children's hospital so often that patients were moved to a wing with fewer exposed windows.

The early-morning raid Wednesday exposed the wartime conditions that have endangered the wounded, sick and elderly in this city of 400,000 people. Doctors said they were struggling to provide basic care.

No ambulances operate in the city because drivers are afraid. Experienced physicians have fled the area, critical supplies are depleted and the number of traumatic war-related injuries has skyrocketed.

Just to reach the hospital, residents must negotiate bomb-saturated roads and gunbattles that often block the way.

"The number of injuries is increasing. The number who can make it (here) is not," said one young Iraqi doctor who refused to give his name for fear of insurgent reprisals.

Religious divisions also have paralyzed the medical staff of 50-60 doctors. Shiite doctors fear coming to Sunni Arab-dominated Ramadi, the staff said, and Sunni doctors are reluctant to travel east to Baghdad.

"We would like them to come here. And we'd like to go there. But there's misunderstanding," the young doctor said.

Staff members also complained that key supplies were scarce. Patients needing CT scans are sent to Baghdad, 70 miles to the east on some of the most dangerous roads in the country. Faulty X-ray equipment produced scans that were barely visible. Shortages of medicine at the hospital force patients to pick up drugs from local pharmacies. And irregular electricity keeps hospital lights flickering on and off.

"Right now, all the supplies here come from Syria and Jordan. We do not get supplies anymore from Baghdad because of the situation there," said one middle-aged medical assistant who also declined to give his name because he feared the insurgents.

During Wednesday's raid, tensions were apparent between some doctors and Marines. The Marines, based in Camp Lejeune, N.C., said one member of their platoon had been shot in the arm near the hospital while handing candy to children at a nearby school. Some angrily accused doctors of harboring and helping insurgents.

Doctors said they knew nothing of insurgent activity or the explosive triggering devices found hidden in the hospital. They insisted they were bound by the Hippocratic oath to serve all patients.

"On my floor of the hospital, I've seen nothing. I have no idea about the other floors," the medical aide said when asked if insurgents had ever visited the hospital.

Marines expressed frustration at the lack of cooperation.

"They don't play by the same rules that we do," said Pfc. Gilberto Rodriguez, 20, of Alexandria, Va., as he stood guard in a hallway. "Insurgents have free rein here. They can do whatever they want. They use whatever tactics are most effective."

Marines and Iraqi soldiers sat outside the rooms of about 30-40 patients. As worried mothers stroked the faces of their sick children, Marines rested in the hallways outside to escape nighttime temperatures that hovered around 100.

Some staff members were visibly angered by the U.S. presence. The young physician's leg shook as U.S. troops interviewed him about critical needs they hoped to fill.

"The young man was angry. I could see it in his eyes," said Navy Capt. Saleem Khan, 58, a soft-spoken surgeon from Sherman, Texas, shortly after meeting with the doctors.

Khan said some contracts were pending to repair hospital equipment, but he said the facility needed tens of millions of dollars ? and a return to calm in the city ? before any substantial progress could be made. Marines plan to secure the hospital by stationing Iraqi police and soldiers inside. U.S. troops will remain nearby.

"You're looking at the ruins of this place ... What this place needs is some high-price items," said Khan, minutes after explosions echoed from the city. "The dust has to be settled before anything can happen here."

Later, as the doctors returned to visit their patients, the young physician pointed to bottles of medicine strewn about the floor by Marines looking for weapons. He said he wished the Marines had never come to the hospital.

"Why is all this damaged?" the doctor asked a Marine, who apologized. "The next time you visit the hospital, please try not to intimidate the patients."

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dahunan

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Maybe if we actually secured the Hospitals like we, AS OCCUPIERS, are supposed to do then this couldn't happen -
 

Starbuck1975

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Maybe if we actually secured the Hospitals like we, AS OCCUPIERS, are supposed to do then this couldn't happen -
Maybe if the insurgents weren't a bunch of pathetic cowards, and actually had respect for their own people, we wouldn't have to secure the hospitals...these insurgents are exploiting the rules of Just War, and people are shocked that our soldiers are starting to respond in kind.

So now medical care is not allowed for the enemy? Mass murder, rape, kidnapping, armed robbery, and now we take control of their pitiful hospital. God bless America.
Maybe you should read the very article that you are using as the basis for your argument.

Members of al-Qaida in Iraq had been using the Ramadi General Hospital, a seven-story building with some 250 beds, to treat their wounded and fire on U.S. troops in the area, the Marines said. They said wounded Iraqi police officers who had been taken to the hospital were later found beheaded.
Insurgents used the hospital to engage our soldiers...guess what...that makes the hospital a viable military target.

In times of war, if a vehicle is speeding across the battlefield with a huge red cross on it, you are not supposed to engage, even if it is an enemy vehicle...however, if that vehicle turns towards and engages you, then you have every right to engage.

It really is sad...there are countless tales from WW1 and WW2 of soldiers risking their lives to rescue or otherwise provide medical aid to enemy soldiers on the battlefield...despite the ferocity of those wars, there was at least a common understanding and respect across most combatants.

These Iraqi insurgencts are the lowest form of scum on the earth.
 

Starbuck1975

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The whole war is unjust.. so we are now at their level, eh?
What defines a just war...there are no just wars, as every conflict in history was and is completely avoidable.

That being said, the justifications for starting a war do not excuse combatants from respecting certain rules of engagement...and that applies to both insurgents and American troops.

American soldiers should not be torturing, kidnapping or otherwise abusing the Iraqi people...neither should these insurgents.
 

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The whole war is unjust.. so we are now at their level, eh?
What defines a just war...there are no just wars, as every conflict in history was and is completely avoidable.

That being said, the justifications for starting a war do not excuse combatants from respecting certain rules of engagement...and that applies to both insurgents and American troops.

American soldiers should not be torturing, kidnapping or otherwise abusing the Iraqi people...neither should these insurgents.


I like asking this question .. put yourself in their shoes and look at the quality and size of the US military.. and then think long and hard about how you would try to fight against such a well oiled killing machine like we have.. just what would you do to try and force the invaders and occupiers off of your land.. what would you do..

 

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Originally posted by: tommywishbone
So now medical care is not allowed for the enemy? Mass murder, rape, kidnapping, armed robbery, and now we take control of their pitiful hospital. God bless America.


Marines take control of Iraq hospital By ANTONIO CASTANEDA, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 24 minutes ago, July 5, 2006.


RAMADI, Iraq - Hundreds of U.S. Marines stormed through dimly lit hallways of the largest hospital in western Iraq on Wednesday, taking control of a facility allegedly used by insurgents ? and encountering a regional health infrastructure in serious decay.

Members of al-Qaida in Iraq had been using the Ramadi General Hospital, a seven-story building with some 250 beds, to treat their wounded and fire on U.S. troops in the area, the Marines said.

They said wounded Iraqi police officers who had been taken to the hospital were later found beheaded.

Though there was no resistance during Wednesday's operation, the Marines from the 3rd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment said they found about a dozen triggering devices for roadside bombs hidden above the tiled ceiling of one office. They knocked down dozens of locked doors and searched medicine chests and storage closets for additional weapons.

Hospitals are considered off-limits in traditional warfare. In western Ramadi, however, insurgents have fired on Marines from the rooftop of a women and children's hospital so often that patients were moved to a wing with fewer exposed windows.

The early-morning raid Wednesday exposed the wartime conditions that have endangered the wounded, sick and elderly in this city of 400,000 people. Doctors said they were struggling to provide basic care.

No ambulances operate in the city because drivers are afraid. Experienced physicians have fled the area, critical supplies are depleted and the number of traumatic war-related injuries has skyrocketed.

Just to reach the hospital, residents must negotiate bomb-saturated roads and gunbattles that often block the way.

"The number of injuries is increasing. The number who can make it (here) is not," said one young Iraqi doctor who refused to give his name for fear of insurgent reprisals.

Religious divisions also have paralyzed the medical staff of 50-60 doctors. Shiite doctors fear coming to Sunni Arab-dominated Ramadi, the staff said, and Sunni doctors are reluctant to travel east to Baghdad.

"We would like them to come here. And we'd like to go there. But there's misunderstanding," the young doctor said.

Staff members also complained that key supplies were scarce. Patients needing CT scans are sent to Baghdad, 70 miles to the east on some of the most dangerous roads in the country. Faulty X-ray equipment produced scans that were barely visible. Shortages of medicine at the hospital force patients to pick up drugs from local pharmacies. And irregular electricity keeps hospital lights flickering on and off.

"Right now, all the supplies here come from Syria and Jordan. We do not get supplies anymore from Baghdad because of the situation there," said one middle-aged medical assistant who also declined to give his name because he feared the insurgents.

During Wednesday's raid, tensions were apparent between some doctors and Marines. The Marines, based in Camp Lejeune, N.C., said one member of their platoon had been shot in the arm near the hospital while handing candy to children at a nearby school. Some angrily accused doctors of harboring and helping insurgents.

Doctors said they knew nothing of insurgent activity or the explosive triggering devices found hidden in the hospital. They insisted they were bound by the Hippocratic oath to serve all patients.

"On my floor of the hospital, I've seen nothing. I have no idea about the other floors," the medical aide said when asked if insurgents had ever visited the hospital.

Marines expressed frustration at the lack of cooperation.

"They don't play by the same rules that we do," said Pfc. Gilberto Rodriguez, 20, of Alexandria, Va., as he stood guard in a hallway. "Insurgents have free rein here. They can do whatever they want. They use whatever tactics are most effective."

Marines and Iraqi soldiers sat outside the rooms of about 30-40 patients. As worried mothers stroked the faces of their sick children, Marines rested in the hallways outside to escape nighttime temperatures that hovered around 100.

Some staff members were visibly angered by the U.S. presence. The young physician's leg shook as U.S. troops interviewed him about critical needs they hoped to fill.

"The young man was angry. I could see it in his eyes," said Navy Capt. Saleem Khan, 58, a soft-spoken surgeon from Sherman, Texas, shortly after meeting with the doctors.

Khan said some contracts were pending to repair hospital equipment, but he said the facility needed tens of millions of dollars ? and a return to calm in the city ? before any substantial progress could be made. Marines plan to secure the hospital by stationing Iraqi police and soldiers inside. U.S. troops will remain nearby.

"You're looking at the ruins of this place ... What this place needs is some high-price items," said Khan, minutes after explosions echoed from the city. "The dust has to be settled before anything can happen here."

Later, as the doctors returned to visit their patients, the young physician pointed to bottles of medicine strewn about the floor by Marines looking for weapons. He said he wished the Marines had never come to the hospital.

"Why is all this damaged?" the doctor asked a Marine, who apologized. "The next time you visit the hospital, please try not to intimidate the patients."

End-----------------------


Did you even read the article? I think you bolded the wrong sections, I fixed it for you. Sounds like it was a real peaceful place of healing: shootings, beheadings, bomb parts...
 

Starbuck1975

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I like asking this question .. put yourself in their shoes and look at the quality and size of the US military.. and then think long and hard about how you would try to fight against such a well oiled killing machine like we have.. just what would you do to try and force the invaders and occupiers off of your land.. what would you do..
I have no problem with guerilla warfare...if a foreign army invaded and occupied my nation, I would probably utilize similar hit and run tactics...maybe even yell "Wolverines" while I'm doing it.

What I wouldn't do is blow up my fellow Americans in an attempt to strike at the insurgents...I wouldn't kidnap civilians and hold them hostage...I sure as hell wouldn't behead said hostages if my demands weren't met...I wouldn't torture and dismember enemy POWs.

It is possible to fight as an insurgent against a technologically superior foe without losing your sense of humanity.


 

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

It really is sad...there are countless tales from WW1 and WW2 of soldiers risking their lives to rescue or otherwise provide medical aid to enemy soldiers on the battlefield...despite the ferocity of those wars, there was at least a common understanding and respect across most combatants.

While that is generally true, there are some notable exceptions. The Japanese Army in WWII come to mind most readily (our most direct experience), as does the Eastern Front.

The Japanese fought with such incredible brutality and treated POWs extraordinarily poorly.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I like asking this question .. put yourself in their shoes and look at the quality and size of the US military.. and then think long and hard about how you would try to fight against such a well oiled killing machine like we have.. just what would you do to try and force the invaders and occupiers off of your land.. what would you do..
I have no problem with guerilla warfare...if a foreign army invaded and occupied my nation, I would probably utilize similar hit and run tactics...maybe even yell "Wolverines" while I'm doing it.

What I wouldn't do is blow up my fellow Americans in an attempt to strike at the insurgents...I wouldn't kidnap civilians and hold them hostage...I sure as hell wouldn't behead said hostages if my demands weren't met...I wouldn't torture and dismember enemy POWs.

It is possible to fight as an insurgent against a technologically superior foe without losing your sense of humanity.

Would they still be fellow Americans if they chose to work as policemen FOR the Chinese or Russians etc.. If they chose to enable the the invaders?

There is only a fine line between knowing you are going to cause collateral damages and still doing it and actually killing a few civilians on purpose.. really... they are both dead whether they are collateral damage or intentional damage.. both PRE-Meditated...

Most of the civilians who were kidnapped were there helping the invaders to create their world modeled after the invaders, right?.. they are helping the invaders and will do anything for the BIG CASH they are getting due to hazard pay..

It is possible to fight.. clean.. but it is a losing battle... especially when said technologically advanced foe will just call civilian deaths "collateral damage" when they come after you..

Honestly... could you imagine deeper.. where would you put your base if you were an insurgent..

Where could you launch attacks from without being bombed immediately -- If you launched attacks from some remote location then you would be nailed instantly..

**I am not sympathizing with their actions or their method etc.. but I can understand their goal and their frustration**

>>> Hopefully this is only a discussion.. some here will try to label me for even thinking so deeply about this stuff.. but I ask you ... will you be an insurgent when the Chinese invade?
 

Starbuck1975

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Would they still be fellow Americans if they chose to work as policemen FOR the Chinese or Russians etc.. If they chose to enable the the invaders?
I dont think it is that simple in Iraq, as there are also ethnic, religious and other factional considerations.

Let us assume for a moment that Mexico invaded the United States, and that Mexican-Americans chose to embrace and assist the invading army. Now let us also assume that I don't like Mexicans to begin with, and in choosing to become an insurgent, my only goal is to kill as many Mexicans as I possibly can. Under the rules of engagement of a Just War, I am no longer a lawful combatant. This is part of the dynamic in Iraq.

There is only a fine line between knowing you are going to cause collateral damages and still doing it and actually killing a few civilians on purpose.. really... they are both dead whether they are collateral damage or intentional damage.. both PRE-Meditated...
Actually, the principle of collateral damage requires that it is not intentional, and therefore not pre-meditated...lawful combatants attempting to prevent civilian casualties have a much higher moral authority then insurgents indiscriminately and intentionally killing civilians.

Most of the civilians who were kidnapped were there helping the invaders to create their world modeled after the invaders, right?.. they are helping the invaders and will do anything for the BIG CASH they are getting due to hazard pay..
They are still not combatants, and therefore off limits.

Honestly... could you imagine deeper.. where would you put your base if you were an insurgent..
Again, you can place your base in an urban area...the Soviets certainly did it during Stalingrad to great effect...but when insurgents hide in protected areas like mosques and hospitals, they are committing war crimes.

These insurgents are not stupid...they know that everytime we kill a civilian, blow up a mosque or raid a hospital, it works against our favor...but the tactics they are using are very dirty, illegal and violate every notion of the Geneva Convention.

Regardless of your stance on the war in Iraq, as an occupying force, our troops have performed incredibly well...granted, Abu Ghraib and a few other cases demonstrate that under the chaos and intense stress of war, our soldiers are capable of being no better then our enemy...but they are exceptions, not the rule.

These insurgents, and the Iraqi people, really have no concept of what it would be like if America were to actually take the gloves off.

 

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I like asking this question .. put yourself in their shoes and look at the quality and size of the US military.. and then think long and hard about how you would try to fight against such a well oiled killing machine like we have.. just what would you do to try and force the invaders and occupiers off of your land.. what would you do..
I have no problem with guerilla warfare...if a foreign army invaded and occupied my nation, I would probably utilize similar hit and run tactics...maybe even yell "Wolverines" while I'm doing it.

What I wouldn't do is blow up my fellow Americans in an attempt to strike at the insurgents...I wouldn't kidnap civilians and hold them hostage...I sure as hell wouldn't behead said hostages if my demands weren't met...I wouldn't torture and dismember enemy POWs.

It is possible to fight as an insurgent against a technologically superior foe without losing your sense of humanity.

They can't loose something they never had.
 

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Once the building was used for military purposes, LoAC states it loses it's protective status as a hospital. It's unfortunate the physicians and hospital staff are being placed in this position.
 

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Originally posted by: TGS
Once the building was used for military purposes, LoAC states it loses it's protective status as a hospital. It's unfortunate the physicians and hospital staff are being placed in this position.
Those are details that must be ignored

\sarcasm

 

dahunan

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Honestly.. not a slam on anyone.. BUT.. aren't there some serious .. very serious rules that an OCUUPYING FORCE has to follow that include Securing all hospitals and other critical services? EDIT BEFORE stuff like this happens???

And don't blame it on the occupied.. they didn't ask for us to come in and kill 50,000 plus of their citizens
 

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So now medical care is not allowed for the enemy? Mass murder, rape, kidnapping, armed robbery, and now we take control of their pitiful hospital. God bless America.

you dumbass didnt you even read what you posted? so its ok for the terrorist to occupy a hospital and kill our troops? but if we go in and flush them out we are in the wrong? get a grip man. the terrorist are lucky that this war isnt being played by WWII rules. because if it was there would be no terrorist taking pot shots from a hospital.



here is a small recap.

Members of al-Qaida in Iraq had been using the Ramadi General Hospital, a seven-story building with some 250 beds, to treat their wounded and fire on U.S. troops in the area, the Marines said.

They said wounded Iraqi police officers who had been taken to the hospital were later found beheaded.
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Hospitals are considered off-limits in traditional warfare. In western Ramadi, however, insurgents have fired on Marines from the rooftop of a women and children's hospital so often that patients were moved to a wing with fewer exposed windows.
 

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OP is a blind tool that needs to reevaluate his life. How can you defend these scumbag terrorists. That would slit your scrany neck in a second.
 

dahunan

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Can anyone answer the question ... Aren't we supposed to be protecting all Hospitals immediately upon invasion and occupation? Somewhere in that rulebook about war or whatever you label killing of people who never attacked us?
 
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I am anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-conservative, and have been for a long long time. But even I agree that a hospital used as a military base is a FAIR target. Hospitals are only sacred ground if they are used to treat WOUNDED, not as a sniper nest.

NO US, German, or Japanese army ever used a hospital as a sniper nest as far as I know.

Legit target. Infact, the US should have secured the hospitals and other major buildings (fire, police, power, water, etc) from DAY ONE.
 

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I am anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-conservative, and have been for a long long time. But even I agree that a hospital used as a military base is a FAIR target. Hospitals are only sacred ground if they are used to treat WOUNDED, not as a sniper nest.

NO US, German, or Japanese army ever used a hospital as a sniper nest as far as I know.

Legit target. Infact, the US should have secured the hospitals and other major buildings (fire, police, power, water, etc) from DAY ONE.

The problem is, the US CAN'T secure hospitals, other major buildings, or very much else in Iraq because bush conducted his UNPROVOKED invasion with TOO FEW TROOPS TO PROVIDE SECURITY AFTERWARDS.

Now imagine you're a doctor in a hospital in Iraq. There aren't enough US troops around to provide security and the Iraqi "security" forces are no better than the armed militias they belong to. So you're left with the insurgents. What would you do? Keep providing whatever medical care you could or tell the insurgents to get lost and get a bullet in the head?

This is the situation bush has put EVERY Iraqi in through his lies and incompetence.
 

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"...NO US, German, or Japanese army ever used a hospital as a sniper nest as far as I know..."


Other than the invading forces (US Military) who else claims the hospital is being used by snipers? I'll answer that question... nobody.

 

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Originally posted by: michaels
OP is a blind tool that needs to reevaluate his life. How can you defend these scumbag terrorists. That would slit your scrany neck in a second.

They might scare you little man, but they don't scare me; they're 10,000 f-ing miles away. One more thing; there weren't any at all in Iraq until we invaded and created them. Now go hide under your bed.
 

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

It really is sad...there are countless tales from WW1 and WW2 of soldiers risking their lives to rescue or otherwise provide medical aid to enemy soldiers on the battlefield...despite the ferocity of those wars, there was at least a common understanding and respect across most combatants.

While that is generally true, there are some notable exceptions. The Japanese Army in WWII come to mind most readily (our most direct experience), as does the Eastern Front.

The Japanese fought with such incredible brutality and treated POWs extraordinarily poorly.


Keep in mind that the Japanese in WWII treated their own enlisted people with near the same level of indifference.

The Geneva Convention states that POWs must be subject to no less than the same code of justice/treatment as the same rank in the capturing country's military. While not condoning their actions in WWII, Japan had poor medical, food, treatment for their ranks and treated the POWs the same or maybe slightly worse.

Compare and contrast that with the US treatment of the Gitmo POWs versus treatment of US military enlisted personnel.
 

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Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

It really is sad...there are countless tales from WW1 and WW2 of soldiers risking their lives to rescue or otherwise provide medical aid to enemy soldiers on the battlefield...despite the ferocity of those wars, there was at least a common understanding and respect across most combatants.

While that is generally true, there are some notable exceptions. The Japanese Army in WWII come to mind most readily (our most direct experience), as does the Eastern Front.

The Japanese fought with such incredible brutality and treated POWs extraordinarily poorly.


Keep in mind that the Japanese in WWII treated their own enlisted people with near the same level of indifference.

The Geneva Convention states that POWs must be subject to no less than the same code of justice/treatment as the same rank in the capturing country's military. While not condoning their actions in WWII, Japan had poor medical, food, treatment for their ranks and treated the POWs the same or maybe slightly worse.

Compare and contrast that with the US treatment of the Gitmo POWs versus treatment of US military enlisted personnel.

I think you need to do a google seach on the Bataan death march and re-evaluate your post.