The long wait for Haswell. Intel's Bulldozer.

[Obsoleet]

I don't know who in there right minds would expect a Netburst to Core architecture with Haswell increase or if even the hype itself went that far. I did not pay much attention, but it seemed like it was the IGP that was more interesting than the IPC gains.

It did go that far. Just not hearing about it now.

 

[Tsavo]

It's not too slow, it's too slow compared to IB.. which was already overpowered. I don't need more CPU power, I want a fast APU.
1. They didn't deliver the C2D-level CPU increase. 2. They didn't kill the A10.

This is Intel's Bulldozer.

You are quite clearly trolling.

:thumbsdown:

 

[Aikouka]

Because it was supposed to be the big APU/Trinity Killer. Both a big step forward in CPU power and trounce the GPU power of the AMD parts at the same time.

Honestly, you're sorely mistaken, because no one expected the desktop parts to be some iGPU savior. Anyone that did their due diligence on Haswell knew that all desktop parts, except for the BGA-only R-series, would have a GT2 iGPU instead of the faster GT3 or GT3e.

Now, if you'd take a look at Anandtech's GT3e review, you'll see the results you were looking for:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/6

The only place where the A10 beats it is in one Grid 2 benchmark.

 

[Ancalagon44]

No need to take that tone. Seriously.

I didn't really care about the CPU increase, but I was expecting a C2D level increase. That was pretty much common knowledge this was the 'big one'. It just happened to flop. And this iGPU was supposed to be the AMD-APU killer. It wasn't.

So show me where it was hyped up to be a C2D level performance increase? I read all of the articles, and I never came away with that impression.

And you can get a Haswell that will beat the best Trinity - the 4950. It is the single fastest CPU with integrated GPU in existence. Did you miss that?

 

[Obsoleet]

Honestly, you're sorely mistaken, because no one expected the desktop parts to be some iGPU savior. Anyone that did their due diligence on Haswell knew that all desktop parts, except for the BGA-only R-series, would have a GT2 iGPU instead of the faster GT3 or GT3e.

Now, if you'd take a look at Anandtech's GT3e review, you'll see the results you were looking for:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/6

The only place where the A10 beats it is in one Grid 2 benchmark.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34600254&postcount=26 For one example.

So show me where it was hyped up to be a C2D level performance increase? I read all of the articles, and I never came away with that impression.

And you can get a Haswell that will beat the best Trinity - the 4950. It is the single fastest CPU with integrated GPU in existence. Did you miss that?

It wasn't an article, it was in the forums. I already addressed the 5200, it's an expensive part, and BGA-only, and the performance is simply not there. 4FPS over the A10 at 1680x1050. That's just not enough.
The competition is AMD, not the HD4000.

 

[Ancalagon44]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34600254&postcount=26 For one example.



It wasn't an article, it was in the forums. I already addressed the 5200, it's an expensive part, and BGA-only, and the performance is simply not there. 4FPS over the A10 at 1680x1050. That's just not enough.
The competition is AMD, not the HD4000.

Okay I'm not responding anymore because now I know you are trolling. Referencing a forum post as proof that something will be a major improvement.

Please go troll elsewhere.

 

[Aikouka]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34600254&postcount=26 For one example.

That's an example of what? A post with absolutely no context?

Like I said, no one that did their due diligence would outright state that GT2 would be anything amazing.

 

[Obsoleet]

Okay I'm not responding anymore because now I know you are trolling. Referencing a forum post as proof that something will be a major improvement.

Please go troll elsewhere.

Wait, you asked where the hype was.. I pointed to this very forum.. and that's wrong? I'm TROLLING YOU? Ok bro. Maybe I was trolled by you on this forum with the hype?
Maybe the Intel fanboys pumped it up a little too much for us laymen?

 

[BD231]

Give me back my soldered heat plate and quit forcing people who don't need IGP to use your incremental craphics.

 

[ElFenix]

I cannot believe what I'm reading.

Haswell improves upon IB in EVERY SINGLE WAY except overclocking. It is faster clock for clock, and it has a better integrated GPU. For the same amount of money.

Compare that to Bulldozer - it was a step back in clock for clock performance, and often a step back in overall performance, all while using much more power.

Actually having read some 8150 reviews today I think it was really side-grade for power. Anand's review shows big power consumption but it also had about the same perf increase as power increase. Tom's had it pretty even with the phenoms and the 920.

 

[ElFenix]

Wait, you asked where the hype was.. I pointed to this very forum.. and that's wrong? I'm TROLLING YOU? Ok bro. Maybe I was trolled by you on this forum with the hype?
Maybe the Intel fanboys pumped it up a little too much for us laymen?

Seriously, a forum post? Please go troll elsewhere. Intel said it would be 10 % faster or so, that's what we got, and you started this thread to suggest you'd go for the a10 instead because haswell doesn't live up to some target you'd set in your head. Please. We're not idiots so stop treating us like we are idiots.

 

[Magic Carpet]

No need to take that tone. Seriously.

I didn't really care about the CPU increase, but I was expecting a C2D level increase. That was pretty much common knowledge this was the 'big one'. It just happened to flop. And this iGPU was supposed to be the AMD-APU killer. It wasn't.

I think, you ought to be paying attention to the Extreme line of chips. Wait for a 6-8 core Haswell-E. By that time, many apps should have taken advantage of the new instruction set. I don't see much point in upgrading your Quad today, if you are still satisfied with its performance. Unless, of course you wanna itch your ego or need a new toy

 

[colonelciller]

call it a failure, whatever you want. I bet the power savings of the highest end i7 vs the lowest end FX CPU would pay for the i7 over a 5 year period

/for the record, completely pulled that out of my arse

that is pure sillyness. i don't think you understand electricity very well

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Haswell:

IPC up
Perf/w up
Cost similar

You were talking about desktop right?

Bulldozer:

IPC down
Perf/w down
Price up



Similarity not found.

 

[Kallogan]

Take A 65W A10-6700, overclock it a bit, and u smoke HD 5200 at 1/3 of the price.

 

[R0H1T]

Haswell:

IPC up
Perf/w up
Cost similar

You were talking about desktop right?

Bulldozer:

IPC down
Perf/w down
Price up



Similarity not found.

It most certainly is not ~

And Haswell + mobo combo is easily 100~150$ more, as compared to IVB, at the top end right now

 

[ShintaiDK]

And Haswell + mobo combo is easily 100~150$ more, as compared to IVB, at the top end right now

Is it? I dont think so.

You can get a Z87 board for 110$, the CPU for 200$ or 270$. And combo deals are even cheaper.

It seems, unlike you buy used, that you can at best save around 60$ if you got with the absolute cheapest.