The left's playbook on gun control exposed

[BlueWolf47]

Orly? So they were going to give everyone access to NICS?

No?

Then let's call it what it really was, a gun transfer tax. And what do we all know happens to taxes over time?

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Ms. Feinstein asked for a little more than universal background checks.

They decrease overtime?

 

[TerryMathews]

They decrease overtime?

Really? Name one tax that has.

 

[BlueWolf47]

Really? Name one tax that has.

Income tax? If you are unaware of this, you should probably comment on something that you have actual knowledge of.

 

[TerryMathews]

Income tax? If you are unaware of this, you should probably comment on something that you have actual knowledge of.

% may have gone down for some. Gross $ is up for everyone.

 

[BlueWolf47]

% may have gone down for some. Gross $ is up for everyone.

Well obviously.....

 

[TerryMathews]

Well obviously.....

And how does this negate my point that once they get a "poll tax" on firearms, that they can continually raise the $ amount until most people no longer can or want to own guns.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I don't mind logic in the gun debate, as long as we look at unintended consequences.

Like the ban on clips with more than 10 rounds. Sounds great to someone without experience with guns - the shooter has less in the gun. But when you enact that law it leads to people choosing to carry higher caliber handguns (aka 45s instead of 9s) because the big advantage of the smaller caliber (more rounds in the gun) is lost. Its much harder to survive a 45 shot than a 9 shot, so the end result is more mortal woundings (and not less gun violence, as shooters can carry multiple clips).

I am ok with background checks and even some sort of competency testing. What I don't approve of is any efforts to make guns less available overall or less dangerous "in theory" because the opposite ends up happening.

 

[zsdersw]

The progressives keep lowering the number of rounds guns can have. Keep raising ID bar on who can own guns [while at the same time bitching about the same for voter id].

Off-topic in subject matter but on-topic in intent: Anti-abortion zealots keep adding more restrictions and conditions on who is required for an abortion clinic and where they can be located... and mandate additional steps that pregnant women must take.

It isn't that anti-abortion zealots and anti-gun zealots are calling for anything unconstitutional, per se, but they are still zealots, more concerned with imposing their desired restrictions on everyone else.

 

[BlueWolf47]

And how does this negate my point that once they get a "poll tax" on firearms, that they can continually raise the $ amount until most people no longer can or want to own guns.

Because rates have decreased and you wanted a tax that has been lowered over time.

 

[moonbogg]

Trying to measure chamber for case OAL without buying a gage. How about a rod and two shaft collars? Seems to be a well known way. Perhaps it can be dialed in from there with magic marker on the bullet ogive to see when it touches the lands, then backed off .010 for a starting point. Opinions? Don't want spend money on a "gage" when a method like this may work just as well.

 

[DrunkenSano]

http://news.yahoo.com/police-shoot-dead-armed-14-old-boy-york-211921020.html

NY is one of the toughest gun control states, and still doesn't work since laws only apply to law abiding citizens.

 

[xBiffx]

I don't mind logic in the gun debate, as long as we look at unintended consequences.

Like the ban on clips with more than 10 rounds. Sounds great to someone without experience with guns - the shooter has less in the gun. But when you enact that law it leads to people choosing to carry higher caliber handguns (aka 45s instead of 9s) because the big advantage of the smaller caliber (more rounds in the gun) is lost. Its much harder to survive a 45 shot than a 9 shot, so the end result is more mortal woundings (and not less gun violence, as shooters can carry multiple clips).

I am ok with background checks and even some sort of competency testing. What I don't approve of is any efforts to make guns less available overall or less dangerous "in theory" because the opposite ends up happening.

I agree. I do think its going to be difficult, competency tests and background checks, given the language of the 2nd however. Just speaking in cases of simple gun ownership. These definitely should apply to carry permits however.

Except I'm going to be a gramma Nazi and add that they are magazines in most cases, not clips.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

LOL. your just a fucking liar.

The progressives keep lowering the number of rounds guns can have. Keep raising ID bar on who can own guns [while at the same time bitching about the same for voter id].

The progressives keep labeling every gun a 'assault' rifle.

With the ultimate goal to ban weapons from private citizens.


But you keep living in your fairy tale land.

Actually the anti-gun lobby uses the term "Assault-weapon". They know that calling a long rifle an assault rifle would leave them open to attack so instead they created the very misleading "Assault Weapon" phrase out of thin air in order to associate semi-automatic rifles that look scary to them with actual real fully automatic assault rifles. Thus people are more easier to be mislead by others and confused when taking about the issue of gun prohibition.

 

[WackyDan]

I don't mind logic in the gun debate, as long as we look at unintended consequences.

Like the ban on clips with more than 10 rounds. Sounds great to someone without experience with guns - the shooter has less in the gun. But when you enact that law it leads to people choosing to carry higher caliber handguns (aka 45s instead of 9s) because the big advantage of the smaller caliber (more rounds in the gun) is lost. Its much harder to survive a 45 shot than a 9 shot, so the end result is more mortal woundings (and not less gun violence, as shooters can carry multiple clips).

I am ok with background checks and even some sort of competency testing. What I don't approve of is any efforts to make guns less available overall or less dangerous "in theory" because the opposite ends up happening.

You are right in part. I carry a compact 45 for its stopping power. That said, any gun owner who carries for self defense and has actually taken a proper concealed carry course taught by a police officer (off the clock) or who has taken a tactical shooting course under stress would tell you that the hit percentage under stress is so low that you still want the higher capacity of the 9mm. There are a lot of macho gun owners who think they could stay on target under stress, but in those 2 seconds they have to act, potentially with little to no notice, they might have a hit percentage of 10%-15% - that statistic is from law enforcement officers. The law forcing gun owners to 10 rounds or 7 (NYS) puts their life at more risk.

My .45 carries 5+1. I'm betting on not needing more than a 20% hit rate or reload. I hope I never have to find out.

 

[Wildcard344]

Just to clarify a point, since gun laws were changed here in Australia there are now actually more guns in private hands than there were before the laws changed. Now the government gets a lot more money with licencing and fees than they used to and we cant get semi- auto rifles.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-14/australians-own-as-many-guns-as-in-1996/4463150

 

[sm625]

I remember alex jones talked about this many years ago. Why do you think he blows up at people like Piers Morgan? Because he knows they follow a disgusting playbook.

 

[surfsatwerk]

I remember alex jones talked about this many years ago. Why do you think he blows up at people like Piers Morgan? Because he knows they follow a disgusting playbook.

I'm not here to start no trouble, I'm just here to do the Superbowl shuffle.

 

[thraashman]

I remember alex jones talked about this many years ago. Why do you think he blows up at people like Piers Morgan? Because he knows they follow a disgusting playbook.

No, Alex Jones blows up at people because he's insane. Regardless of if you agree with Piers Morgan or not, there is no doubt that Alex Jones is a fucking nutball with sociopathic tendencies.