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The Koch Brothers and George Soros

John Connor

John Connor

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Why is Harry Reid bitching about the Koch Brothers when George Soros funds MoveOn.org and all that progressive shit? I call hypocrisy!

Anyone here think there should be a limit at how much you can give to political groups?
 
You're absolutely correct. It is total hypocrisy. Reid is using these two brothers as the boogie men under the bed because the Dems are scared shitless of the mid-term elections. They need to inject a great deal of fear and hate into their base as a tool to win, but this will be fruitless and in the end Harry Reid ends up being the evil, hate filled, dick. People need to stop re-electing this piece of crap. Seriously! He's one of those who is all over the Washington Red Skins to change their name, so as not to offend the lefties. Fuck him!
 
Dangit, I thought this was going to be a news story about their private jets colliding in mid air.
 
compuwiz1 said:
You're absolutely correct. It is total hypocrisy. Reid is using these two brothers as the boogie men under the bed because the Dems are scared shitless of the mid-term elections. They need to inject a great deal of fear and hate into their base as a tool to win, but this will be fruitless and in the end Harry Reid ends up being the evil, hate filled, dick. People need to stop re-electing this piece of crap. Seriously! He's one of those who is all over the Washington Red Skins to change their name, so as not to offend the lefties. Fuck him!
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:thumbsup::thumbsup:

I can't stand Reid. Did you hear that he blocked legislation on holding people at the VA accountable? This guy is a party line grabasstic twit!
 
John Connor said:
Why is Harry Reid bitching about the Koch Brothers when George Soros funds MoveOn.org and all that progressive shit? I call hypocrisy!

Anyone here think there should be a limit at how much you can give to political groups?
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One difference is that - to my knowledge - the groups that Soros funds don't try to hide that he contributes to them, whereas many conservative groups play all kinds of games to hide the Koch brothers' involvement.

So in answer to your (poorly worded) question about contribution limits: If we want to allow unlimited contributions to political groups, then at the very least individuals or groups that's contribute more than a threshold level of funding to a political group should be reported by that political group, so that voters know who's giving how much to whom. And a "spirit of the law" provision should also be included in these "sunshine laws" that makes clear that financial shell games that obscure the donor do NOT relieve the responsibility of the donor to reveal the political group(s) that ultimately receives the donation.
 
shira said:
One difference is that - to my knowledge - the groups that Soros funds don't try to hide that he contributes to them, whereas many conservative groups play all kinds of games to hide the Koch brothers' involvement.
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Well they're not doing a very good job hiding it. Everyone knows by now. But I bet you could interview people off the street and no one would know who the Koch brothers are or George Soros is. Many people are ill informed and just go with what's in the wind. This is why we have a shity system today with the same damn politicians.
 
Just curious, does anyone know if Soros does anything like what the Brothers Koch do with Florida State University, or with funding orgs to repudiate world wide scientific consensus on climate change?

I'm also curious if Soros fits as an analog to the Kochs and Sheldon Adelson regarding the nomination process for the Democratic party. Anyone know? I have a big problem with the notion of a few insanely rich guys deciding who the country gets to consider for elections, just have never heard Soros being involved.

And yes, I'm definitely not for unlimited campaign funding. Elections are supposed to be about votes, not money.
 
John Connor said:
Well they're not doing a very good job hiding it. Everyone knows by now. But I bet you could interview people off the street and no one would know who the Koch brothers are or George Soros is. Many people are ill informed and just go with what's in the wind. This is why we have a shity system today with the same damn politicians.
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Not everybody. Teatards don't understand that what they believe has been astroturfed right into their pointy little heads with Koch bros money paying the world's most successful propagandists to put it there. For over 30 years. They think they're a grass roots movement instead of a well indoctrinated mob of bomb throwers.
 
Zorkorist said:
Wow, Jhhhn, is claiming we are all mind-fucked.

Jhnnn, I am local, if you need help. Here in Denver.

-John
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No, he's claiming that a lot of the information you read that questions the validity of climate change is actually the product of (unreported) funding by the Koch brothers, whose Koch Industries is a major player in the petroleum industry.

Now, YOU may think the Koch brothers are altruistic and would never allow a financial interest in keeping oil usage unfettered by carbon taxes or other restrictions to influence the "messages" on climate change spoken by their paid "scientists." But in our modern world it's considered standard practice for high-profile individuals to reveal all potential conflicts of interest. So why don't the Koch brothers make this information available to the Tea Party faithful?
 
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/09/28...cking-movie-financed-by-oil-rich-arab-nation/

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...ome-temps-week-broke-every-record-s-ever-been

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/23/President-Obama-I-Look-Like-Morgan-Freeman

Temperatures rise = Global Warming
Temperatures lower = Global Warming
Climate gets wet = Global Warming
Climate gets dry = Global Warming
More hurricanes = Global Warming
Fewer hurricanes = Global Warming
Milder winters = Global Warming
Harsher winters = Global Warming
Hotter summers = Global Warming
Cooler summers = Global Warming
Car breaks down = Global Warming
Cat gets pregnant = Global Warming
...and on and on.

Global Warming (previously known as Global Cooling and occasionally known as Climate Change, Extreme Weather, and other euphemisms) is a religion. And like a religion, it's full of arbitrary, contradictory, self-affirming, shifting, and incoherent claims asserted as unassailable truth (immediately dropped the moment another becomes more advantageous) that literally anything can be true, for any reason, from any person, at any time.
 
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John Connor said:
Global Warming (previously known as Global Cooling and occasionally known as Climate Change, Extreme Weather, and other euphemisms) is a religion. And like a religion, it's full of arbitrary, contradictory, self-affirming, shifting, and incoherent claims asserted as unassailable truth (immediately dropped the moment another becomes more advantageous) that literally anything can be true, for any reason, from any person, at any time.
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why go full moron

there is a lot to global warming but we are dumping a lot of shit into the atmosphere and even worse destroying environments
 
I just don't buy this "greatest security threat" bull shit. We need at least 100 years of data to prove we have caused the earth to warm up. But it doesn't stop there either. If it's colder than it's called climate change. It's all a bunch of shit. We here in the U.S have more damn regulations yet China and India are not doing their part. We are at 1992 Co2 levels!
 
John Connor said:
I just don't buy this "greatest security threat" bull shit. We need at least 100 years of data to prove we have caused the earth to warm up. But it doesn't stop there either. If it's colder than it's called climate change. It's all a bunch of shit. We here in the U.S have more damn regulations yet China and India are not doing their part. We are at 1992 Co2 levels!
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you are showing yourself as a dumbass

long term climate change is most certainly natural

however the co2 levels have dramatically increased over the last several hundres of years since the industrial revolution when they were much lower since the melting of the glaciers

we are still in the current ice age

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

climate change is just that and not specifically warming or cooling
 
shira said:
One difference is that - to my knowledge - the groups that Soros funds don't try to hide that he contributes to them, whereas many conservative groups play all kinds of games to hide the Koch brothers' involvement.

So in answer to your (poorly worded) question about contribution limits: If we want to allow unlimited contributions to political groups, then at the very least individuals or groups that's contribute more than a threshold level of funding to a political group should be reported by that political group, so that voters know who's giving how much to whom. And a "spirit of the law" provision should also be included in these "sunshine laws" that makes clear that financial shell games that obscure the donor do NOT relieve the responsibility of the donor to reveal the political group(s) that ultimately receives the donation.
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why are you trying to restrict speech? This was already covered by the supreme court so STFU and move on.


you on the left are so full of it. A law that requires someone to register to collect petitions = bad. Someone spending their money on politics = bad.


PS heres a billionaire going to spend hundreds of millions to elect members of the church of man made global warming.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/18/e...edges-to-spend-100-million-in-2014-elections/

Are you on the left going to go all nutter against him? Or now that he supports your side its ok.

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If you have such a problem with secrecy, you must hate buffet:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/05/13/warren-buffet-donates-12-billion-to-abortion-groups/

Who funnels over a billion dollars to various abortion groups, many who do campaigning.
 
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norseamd said:
you are showing yourself as a dumbass

long term climate change is most certainly natural

however the co2 levels have dramatically increased over the last several hundres of years since the industrial revolution when they were much lower since the melting of the glaciers

we are still in the current ice age

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

climate change is just that and not specifically warming or cooling
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The earth has had more Co2 during prehistoric times with active volcanoes. Spare me the bull shit. I see your dumbass and raise you a fucktard.
 
John Connor said:
The earth has had more Co2 during prehistoric times with active volcanoes. Spare me the bull shit. I see your dumbass and raise you a fucktard.
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of course the earth had more co2 in previous eras

nothing wrong with that

and i am not that opposed to a warmer earth

but you have to consider how that would impact our current biosphere

not to mention all of the economical and cultural impacts we would have to experience
 
John Connor said:
If there's nothing wrong with that why is there something wrong today?
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the same issue would arise if you tried to dramatically reduce the greenhouse gases that were present during the mesozoic era

you are dramatically changing the environment from the current situation
 
shira said:
No, he's claiming that a lot of the information you read that questions the validity of climate change is actually the product of (unreported) funding by the Koch brothers, whose Koch Industries is a major player in the petroleum industry.

Now, YOU may think the Koch brothers are altruistic and would never allow a financial interest in keeping oil usage unfettered by carbon taxes or other restrictions to influence the "messages" on climate change spoken by their paid "scientists." But in our modern world it's considered standard practice for high-profile individuals to reveal all potential conflicts of interest. So why don't the Koch brothers make this information available to the Tea Party faithful?
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I didn't offer anything about climate change. People who buy into what the Koch Bros offer are begging to become bugs on the windshield of financialized international capitalism.

They're peddling Freedumb! to the masses.
 
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