The joy of religion - part xxxxxxxxx

[soulcougher73]

It's quite obvious that you are willingly misunderstanding things. I don't expect you to believe that, but really nobody cares what you think. Everyone else can see it.

Haha

 

[buckshot24]

Here's something for you to consider: Although the origins of life are already pretty well explained by science

HAHA, explain it then.

 

[soulcougher73]

Goodbye.

Aww poor guy cant stand up for himself. It really is hard to do though when you cant back up what you say. So i guess it's expected really.

F'ing theists man. Idiots, the whole lot. I swear they make me dislike them more everyday 😛 Amazing they walk among us.

 

[sandorski]

People who called themselves Christians did in fact do lots of things that go DIRECTLY against the teachings of Jesus, I'm not sure how that has anything to do with anything.

Hitler's actions do not in themself prove he was not a Christian. That's what it has to do with.

 

[buckshot24]

I'm still not following you.

I treat chimps differently to humans because they are different.

Yeah, me too but what makes humans so special, in a purely materialistic universe, that when they are raped it is morally wrong but not when a chimp gets raped.

I eat baby sheep. You're not arguing that they should be treated like baby humans are you?

No but I don't believe humans are just evolved animals. (I have no idea what you believe, precisely, so I'm assuming here).

Well if God says something that goes against your moral code where does that moral code come from? Obviously not God.

Pretty much. But I don't believe God would tell me to go rape anybody. I can't grant the hypothetical.

 

[sandorski]

What do you think? Is it bad for a chimp to rape another chimp?

That is not my choice to make. If I were a Chimp and sentient, then I might have an opinion of it.

 

[buckshot24]

Hitler's actions do not in themself prove he was not a Christian. That's what it has to do with.

Says who?

 

[buckshot24]

That is not my choice to make. If I were a Chimp and sentient, then I might have an opinion of it.

You're basically a chimp (according to DNA arguments).

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Pretty classic behavior from a conservative religionist. Splash into a thread with a bunch of bullshit claims, follow it up with consistently disingenuous responses, and then abandon all discussion when it's time to examine the evidence.

If I've seen it once, I've seen it a thousand times.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Kind of a strawman the way you state this. We don't believe God has opinions on right and wrong.

Doesn't make a difference. An objective moral standard would have to be independent of everyone, including any gods.

 

[sandorski]

Says who?

Says Me, the only person I can speak with authority for.

 

[sandorski]

You're basically a chimp (according to DNA arguments).

Oh really? Interesting.

 

[buckshot24]

Says Me, the only person I can speak with authority for.

Well, thanks for your opinion then.

 

[buckshot24]

Oh really? Interesting.

Supposedly 98.1% similar.

 

[Paratus]

I don't believe that you don't believe me.



You show me where life originated in this universe and I'll tell you what I believe about that.



Bearing false witness. My report of my own beliefs is evidence.


Your opinion is noted. It seems the Catholic church in Germany disagreed.

Not supporting Buckshot here, just wanted to pick at the bolded above.

While I can't specifically show where life started I think I can logically show it did start

Some postulates.

• Life as we commonly refer to it is the self-propagating nightmarishly lethal biochemical reaction we've so far only found on Earth.
• Life requires baryonic matter to form the biochemical reaction.
• Baryonic matter was only able to form after the universe cooled enough, sometime after 300,000 years after the Big Bang per our current scientific understanding.

Life as described above exists now. Life could not have existed before 300,000 after the Big Bang. Ergo life had a start in this universe.

 

[sandorski]

Supposedly 98.1% similar.

Ok, so what then? We also have a certain per cent similarity with every other living thing on this planet.

 

[WelshBloke]

Yeah, me too but what makes humans so special, in a purely materialistic universe, that when they are raped it is morally wrong but not when a chimp gets raped.

We aren't that special to the universe. We are quite special to other humans though.

No but I don't believe humans are just evolved animals. (I have no idea what you believe, precisely, so I'm assuming here).

Our origin doesn't make any difference to my morals.

Pretty much. But I don't believe God would tell me to go rape anybody. I can't grant the hypothetical.

You don't need to grant the hypothetical. That's the point of a thought experiment. 🙂

 

[buckshot24]

Ok, so what then? We also have a certain per cent similarity with every other living thing on this planet.

What makes humans worth more than chimps or any other animal if that is all we all are? Why should it be different if a chimp gets raped or a human gets raped?

 

[buckshot24]

Not supporting Buckshot here, just wanted to pick at the bolded above.

While I can't specifically show where life started I think I can logically show it did start

Some postulates.

• Life as we commonly refer to it is the self-propagating nightmarishly lethal biochemical reaction we've so far only found on Earth.
• Life requires baryonic matter to form the biochemical reaction.
• Baryonic matter was only able to form after the universe cooled enough, sometime after 300,000 years after the Big Bang per our current scientific understanding.

Life as described above exists now. Life could not have existed before 300,000 after the Big Bang. Ergo life had a start in this universe.

Nope, according to Cerpin you need a video of life forming in order to even talk about it.

 

[WelshBloke]

What makes humans worth more than chimps or any other animal if that is all we all are?

Worth more to who? Certainly not to chimps.
We give more value to humans because that's what we are.

Why should it be different if a chimp gets raped or a human gets raped?

See above.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Not supporting Buckshot here, just wanted to pick at the bolded above.

Fair enough, I'm happy to explain myself to a person actually interested in discussion.

While I can't specifically show where life started I think I can logically show it did start

Part of the problem -- and this may seem like a bit of a cop out, but it is a fact -- is that we don't really know what "life" is in the first place. We merely have "life as we know it" to observe, but it's a big damn universe.

In a general sense, life is a certain pattern formed by organic matter. Matter makes all kinds of patterns, however. Which ones are "life" and which ones are "not life"? The lines get very, very blurry when you start looking closely, and where one decides to draw the lines is basically arbitrary.

Some postulates.

• Life as we commonly refer to it is the self-propagating nightmarishly lethal biochemical reaction we've so far only found on Earth.
• Life requires baryonic matter to form the biochemical reaction.
• Baryonic matter was only able to form after the universe cooled enough, sometime after 300,000 years after the Big Bang per our current scientific understanding.

Life as described above exists now. Life could not have existed before 300,000 after the Big Bang. Ergo life had a start in this universe.

And you know that there is no such non-baryonic life anywhere in the universe... how? 🙂

 

[buckshot24]

Worth more to who? Certainly not to chimps.
We give more value to humans because that's what we are.




See above.

What if I told you that I give more value to Aborigines than I do the Chinese using this same line of reasoning? One is clearly different than the other.

 

[buckshot24]

I hope Cerpin isn't writing to me because I won't see it.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Nope, according to Cerpin you need a video of life forming in order to even talk about it.

And according to buckshot24 black sheep are better to rape than white sheep.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I hope Cerpin isn't writing to me because I won't see it.

Yes, yes we know. You're too chickenshit to handle real criticism.