The joy of religion - part xxxxxxxxx

[shira]

My objective as I see it is to provide information to the curious or needy that a completely different way of experiencing the world exists either because something they may not be able to identify drives them to know or because they suffer from its lack. I do so because I have personal experience of its good quality and transformative nature. I am hampered by the fact that the experience can't be transmitted with words, only pointed to with them.

I answer your questions as best as I can, not with expectations. The fact that you are not a princess explains to me why you do not feel the discomfort of your unconscious. There are people who have seen what I have seen and far more for thousands of years and the stories from myth and religion are replete with the evidence for the conscious state I describe including the myriad of ways those who do not know experience contact with the suggestion it exists.

What you call luck is luck only from one perspective. I remember full well when I was as lucky as you and the measure of all things. But this Humpty Dumpty had the misfortune of one day sitting on a wall. All the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't do what Grace did, experience a state of unity that requires no shell. My luck in my opinion is that you could still fall but I can't. Been there and done that and won.

You are sure you do not need what I say but I tell you just in case. So many fall and have no hope. Somebody gave me a Strawberry, the greatest gift I ever received..

I hope you never lose the beliefs that you've won and can't fall. Those seem to be important to you. I don't need to believe either of those things. Heaven is for those who need heaven.

 

[bshole]

This is encapsulated in one of my favorite quotes :

Epicurus, I referenced that quote in this very thread.

I hope you never lose the beliefs that you've won and can't fall. Those seem to be important to you. I don't need to believe either of those things. Heaven is for those who need heaven.

Damn it, I NEED heaven. I really really really need it. Also it will not be heaven unless I get revenge on my enemies. I want to see those fuckers burn.
So.... since I need, do I receive?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Damn it, I NEED heaven. I really really really need it. Also it will not be heaven unless I get revenge on my enemies. I want to see those fuckers burn.
So.... since I need, do I receive?

If you want to get your soul to Heaven,
Trust in me, don't judge or question.
You are broken now but faith can heal you.
Just do everything I tell you to do.

 

[FelixDeCat]

The message brought to you by Brisk Ice Tea, a Unilever brand.

 

[shira]

What does it take to make a decision not free? It takes something or someone forcing you to choose one over the other, that is it.

What you've stated is just ONE way to make a decision not free. But you continually overlook the other way: If you're left with just one choice, your decision isn't free. And that's exactly what the God you believe in has done: He's pre-decided for you every choice you'll ever make. He's even pre-decided all of the contortions you feel yourself going through as you experience the pre-decided struggle to make what you pre-decidedly believe is a "difficult decision." Everything going through your head, every experience over your entire life - God created all of that. You can't possibly make a decision that God didn't intend, because if that happened God wouldn't be omnipotent.

 

[Moonbeam]

I hope you never lose the beliefs that you've won and can't fall. Those seem to be important to you. I don't need to believe either of those things. Heaven is for those who need heaven.

You are important to me, you and what lies latent within you. You have no need and no life insurance. My aim is to tell you that if your circumstances should change there is still there's still a way back for you. I know that you can't help the I'm saved your not scenario and that you are feel insulted by my concern.

 

[Moonbeam]

What you've stated is just ONE way to make a decision not free. But you continually overlook the other way: If you're left with just one choice, your decision isn't free. And that's exactly what the God you believe in has done: He's pre-decided for you every choice you'll ever make. He's even pre-decided all of the contortions you feel yourself going through as you experience the pre-decided struggle to make what you pre-decidedly believe is a "difficult decision." Everything going through your head, every experience over your entire life - God created all of that. You can't possibly make a decision that God didn't intend, because if that happened God wouldn't be omnipotent.

Why anybody gets into this paradox of absolutes stuff is beyond me but think of it like this, just for fun. When God knows what choice you will make in your future he does so from his past. The moment he looks into your future to see what choice you make what he sees becomes his past. The free choice you make in your future is witnessed by God as it happens and is recorded as memory. He knows your future choices them because he remembers what you freely chose. All information is knowledge that is stored in memory. So while your future is open, His past is fixed.

 

[JEDIYoda]

it's that your choice was known by an infallible being before you made it. In that case it's not a choice.

sti9ll spouting your crapola huh...it is only not a choice if God specifically had a hand in "fixing" the outcome...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Not that he will, but that he MUST, because God's knowledge already exists and cannot be wrong.

More of your word games......too funny!! Your insistence that because God already knows, God has a vested interest in making his for knowledge come to pass.......
How do you know what God must do in the first place?

Your not really as brilliant as you want people to believe...your just very good at word games and making no sense at all......

 

[FelixDeCat]

God will not be fooled. ()

 

[WelshBloke]

On Judgement Day Certain Text is going to pretend like his egotism prevented him from accepting anything beyond his own circular arguments and he rejected God because of it.

"Don't blame me God, I loved to argue against you because I refused to acknowledge your spirit."

"Please, now that I know you exist, I will sing your praises!!"

God will not be fooled. ()

He'll be fine, Anubis isnt worried about any of that shit.

 

[WelshBloke]

sti9ll spouting your crapola huh...it is only not a choice if God specifically had a hand in "fixing" the outcome...

Bullcrap!

Go pick up a dictionary and look up "choice" or "choose".

Come back when you understand it.


Take as long as you need.


Seriously.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

More of your word games... {snip}

On Judgement Day Certain Text... {snip}

I hold in contempt several of the prominent fundie numbskulls that frequent this forum, and for good reason -- they're intractably dimwitted and dishonest, as clearly revealed through the course of this thread and the other on evolution.

You two, however, have only my pity. What a sad, sad world it is for the both of you.

 

[disappoint]

On Judgement Day Certain Text is going to...

You sure it's not Serpent Tax?

 

[soulcougher73]

sti9ll spouting your crapola huh...it is only not a choice if God specifically had a hand in "fixing" the outcome...

But he did have a hand in fixing the outcome by the attributes you give him. Not rocket science here bud.

 

[JD50]

More of your word games......too funny!! Your insistence that because God already knows, God has a vested interest in making his for knowledge come to pass.......
How do you know what God must do in the first place?

Your not really as brilliant as you want people to believe...your just very good at word games and making no sense at all......

Doesn't matter if god acts on it, if an infallible being knows that you will do something, you have no choice but to do that thing. Otherwise, the infallible being would be wrong.

Also, YOU'RE.

 

[buckshot24]

sti9ll spouting your crapola huh...it is only not a choice if God specifically had a hand in "fixing" the outcome...

They don't get that. Trust me, quit. They won't be convinced.

 

[buckshot24]

What you've stated is just ONE way to make a decision not free. But you continually overlook the other way: If you're left with just one choice, your decision isn't free. And that's exactly what the God you believe in has done: He's pre-decided for you every choice you'll ever make. He's even pre-decided all of the contortions you feel yourself going through as you experience the pre-decided struggle to make what you pre-decidedly believe is a "difficult decision." Everything going through your head, every experience over your entire life - God created all of that. You can't possibly make a decision that God didn't intend, because if that happened God wouldn't be omnipotent.

Yeah, I'm done. You're wrong but you believe your brain was built by billions upon billions of genetic copying mistakes so I shouldn't expect otherwise.

 

[buckshot24]

Oh and omnipotence doesn't require its usage all the time.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

On Judgement Day Certain Text is going to pretend like his egotism prevented him from accepting anything beyond his own circular arguments and he rejected God because of it.

"Don't blame me God, I loved to argue against you because I refused to acknowledge your spirit."

"Please, now that I know you exist, I will sing your praises!!"

God will not be fooled. ()

God is easily fooled. All the priests he hires pretend they're not pedophiles and he believes them. What a putz.

 

[FelixDeCat]

lol

 

[bshole]

On Judgement Day Certain Text is going to pretend like his egotism prevented him from accepting anything beyond his own circular arguments and he rejected God because of it.

"Don't blame me God, I loved to argue against you because I refused to acknowledge your spirit."

"Please, now that I know you exist, I will sing your praises!!"

God will not be fooled. ()

You are just as likely to burn in hell as him. You ASSUME on NO evidence that all other religions are wrong and yours is right. What happens to YOU if you are athiest to the true God? You assume everything on FAITH without one single shred of evidence. By definition it is impossible to know objectively which religion (if any) is right. Ask any Muslim what is going to happen to FelixDeCat, to a man they ALL will say that Felix is gong to burn in hell for eternity.

 

[soulcougher73]

You are just as likely to burn in hell as him. You ASSUME on NO evidence that all other religions are wrong and yours is right. What happens to YOU if you are athiest to the true God? You assume everything on FAITH without one single shred of evidence. By definition it is impossible to know objectively which religion (if any) is right. Ask any Muslim what is going to happen to FelixDeCat, to a man they ALL will say that Felix is gong to burn in hell for eternity.

But.. But.. His faith is mo betta than random muslim01...

 

[FelixDeCat]

 

[GagHalfrunt]

While pedos tend to be atheist, pedophilia is part of the human condition, like homosexuality and transgenderism. Cant we all just get along??

No, here's the part you and the wannabelievers can't explain away. If pedophilia is part of the human condition, that means your omnipotent creator wants it that way. He built it into people and he wants them to molest kids. If it wasn't part of his divine plan he would have done it differently. Or he would simply wave him omnipotent hand and eliminate it. But he doesn't.

But lets put aside that little quandary for a moment and ignore the "human condition" and instead focus on the priestly condition. To become a priest a person goes through a lot of steps and is finally ordained in what the wannabelievers view as a holy sacrament. God himself bestows his almighty blessing on that person to be his representative on Earth and do his work as god himself is an absentee. God supposedly looks into their hearts personally and says "yep, that's my guy, that's who I want." How does the almighty do a worse job of background checks when he's hiring his own handpicked representatives than McDonalds does when they're hiring a part-timer to work the drive through window? Even if God tolerates ordinary people preying on kids, why does he hire priests that do it? Surely he can weed out the pedophiles somewhere along the way. God promises to protect his followers from ALL evil and yet he fails to protect them from his very own, hand-picked employees and that doesn't strike you as an abject failure on god's part? You have a pretty low expectation of a divine being.