The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

[Starbuck1975]

You previously had Robert Packwood forced to resign from the US Senate due to the extent of sexual misconduct allegations against him, including specifically his staff.

Bob Packwood - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That was in allot of ways a very glaring example of how #metoo could apply to to politicians prior to when it hit Hollywood and the more recent phenomenon.

In other words it was quite clear that something like a sexual assault or especially rape allegation by a staff member against a politician could potentially matter politically by the time Biden was being considered for VP. The idea she assumed a bunch of people coming out with allegations like hers would not potentially be a problem for Obama's campaign seems hard to believe. (The Obama campaign could hypothetically have further investigated once they were clued in that this specific issue would be a concern, and could have chosen to drop Biden as a possible VP pick if they found enough supporting indications that this was going to be an issue without having to publicly say why.) In other words, she has inside information demonstrating the Biden was a weak candidate, and she would have actually been doing the Obama campaign a favor if anything by letting them know about this risk prior to them picking Biden and potentially getting ambushed by a bunch of allegations during the general election.

Bill Clinton faced numerous credible allegations of sexual harassment and yet still won the nomination. Everyone knew Weinstein was scum and yet he was free to roam as a predator through Hollywood. The #metoo movement would not have emerged if women perceived the system as working.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Which accusation?

The anonymous harassment complaint?
The Joe touoched my neck and hair?
The Joe fingered me in the halls of the Senate?

Let’s start with the credibly documented accusation of sexual harassment and then worry if something more substantial happened.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Had she not changed her original story.......OK!!
But we all know she did! As such she has no credibility!! It really is that simple!
Yet YOU insist that nothing after her first story matters.....

It’s not uncommon for a victim of sexual assault to change her story, which is a tried and true playbook to discredit and deflect from the accusations.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Agreed. She wasn’t likely to come out in 2008. But once #MeToo did happen, she actively supported Biden. If she really was telling the truth now, explain this.

Actively supported Biden in his capacity as a private citizen? What was Joe Biden doing politically after #metoo that she was actively supporting?

 

[fskimospy]

Let’s start with the credibly documented accusation of sexual harassment and then worry if something more substantial happened.

Nah, let’s not, let’s stick with the actual charge that people care about - sexual assault. Is there a single piece of evidence that exists for this charge outside of Tara Reade claiming it happened?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Lol, this thread is fantastic.

 

[1prophet]

Actually let’s go back to 2008. The VP vetting. Don’t you think they went with a fine tooth comb any formal complaints filed against Biden? So that 1993 complaint if real would have been uncovered.

After a Recession, an endless war, Bush, and lack of the social media of today, Obama running on a populist, anti big business, anti Hillary, anti NAFTA platform as an outsider, had the election in the bag and the Republicans handed it to him on a silver platter, Biden was there to placate the white folk who were on the fence.

and of course you had Sarah "I can see Russia from my house Palin"
against a much younger and mentally capable Biden.

 

[HomerJS]

Let’s start with the credibly documented accusation of sexual harassment and then worry if something more substantial happened.

The fact we have at least 3 separate sets of allegations doesn't tell you anything?? The time between 2nd and 3rd is within the last year.

You said it's common for victims to change their story, she's changed it twice. How many more versions would warrant questioning her credibility?

Ford didn't remember every detail but she stuck to a single story.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The fact we have at least 3 separate sets of allegations doesn't tell you anything?? The time between 2nd and 3rd is within the last year.

You said it's common for victims to change their story, she's changed it twice. How many more versions would warrant questioning her credibility?

Ford didn't remember every detail but she stuck to a single story.

We have one allegation that’s increased in severity. It is completely possible that because her sexual harassment claim did not gain attention or traction with the media, she escalated the charges. That doesn’t change the fact that the underlying charge is credible, and under the standard the Democrats championed, we should extend to her the benefit of the doubt.

There is a good article on the Atlantic this morning. Trigger warning. It examines the Reade allegations from both sides.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Her story has been "This happened... I mean that happened.. by which I mean this other things happened. But you know it's true because I reported it... well, not really reported it... and when I say 'it' I don't mean that I reported 'it'... but my family and friends will back me up... by the second or third time you ask them..."

I'm thinking we are going into the dirtiest political campaign ever. As the presumptive nominee, Biden is going to be hit with one scandal or accusation after another pretty much constantly for the next 6 months. They’re going to paint a picture of him that makes Caligula look like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.

The opposition is going to spare no expense in order to ratfuck him to death. I fully expect the Ukraine stuff to come rushing back and I suspect Trump really will succeed in getting Hunter investigated and possibly indited. And a couple of more “abusers” will show up. And they’ll find “corruption” inside every official action he took as Vice President.

This is only the beginning.

 

[fskimospy]

Her story has been "This happened... I mean that happened.. by which I mean this other things happened. But you know it's true because I reported it... well, not really reported it... and when I say 'it' I don't mean that I reported 'it'... but my family and friends will back me up... by the second or third time you ask them..."

I'm thinking we are going into the dirtiest political campaign ever. As the presumptive nominee, Biden is going to be hit with one scandal or accusation after another pretty much constantly for the next 6 months. They’re going to paint a picture of him that makes Caligula look like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.

The opposition is going to spare no expense in order to ratfuck him to death. I fully expect the Ukraine stuff to come rushing back and I suspect Trump really will succeed in getting Hunter investigated and possibly indited. And a couple of more “abusers” will show up. And they’ll find “corruption” inside every official action he took as Vice President.

This is only the beginning.

Oh yes, Trump will definitely be weaponizing the DOJ against Biden, of that I have no doubt. There will also be multiple additional sexual harassment/assault accusers, spaced out over time to keep the story in the news.

One thing I'm hopeful for is that they fucked up early with the accusation against Biden by Christine O'Donnell's daughter, which may immunize him from these smears somewhat. By showing that Republicans were willing to accuse Biden of things he can 100% prove he didn't do it now casts all future accusations as suspect.

 

[soundforbjt]

Heard that 86% of voters polled have already heard the accusation and they still support Biden.

 

[theeedude]

Heard that 86% of voters polled have already heard the accusation and they still support Biden.

Yeah, even if the believe Tara.

 

[sandorski]

Heard that 86% of voters polled have already heard the accusation and they still support Biden.

Some more Poll results. 2/3s of people following the story believe Tara Reade's allegation according to this poll.

 

[soundforbjt]

Some more Poll results. 2/3s of people following the story believe Tara Reade's allegation according to this poll.

Problem is very few people are following her story.
Also which allegation are they believing?

 

[ch33zw1z]

I thought conservatives contended that because Democrats supported a sexual predator that they were justified in supporting a brazenly bragging sexual predator. Why would they think Democrats won't support a sexual predator for 4 years?

I support him expanding the SCOTUS and appointing someone of Kavanaughs sexual predator caliber.

 

[fskimospy]

I thought conservatives contended that because Democrats supported a sexual predator that they were justified in supporting a brazenly bragging sexual predator. Why would they think Democrats won't support a sexual predator for 4 years?

I support him expanding the SCOTUS and appointing someone of Kavanaughs sexual predator caliber.

It’s kind of weird that conservatives have spent the last 4 or so years claiming that all the women saying Trump assaulted them are liars despite him bragging on tape about doing exactly what they accused him of.

Also after all that pretending to be concerned about allegations against Joe Biden. The bad faith and cynicism knows no bounds.

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder what conservatives would say if Joe Biden said on tape that he routinely sexually assaulted women and bragged that they let him do it because he was a senator and Vice President.

They would probably write it off as locker room talk. That’s my guess.

 

[hal2kilo]

It’s kind of weird that conservatives have spent the last 4 or so years claiming that all the women saying Trump assaulted them are liars despite him bragging on tape about doing exactly what they accused him of.

Also after all that pretending to be concerned about allegations against Joe Biden. The bad faith and cynicism knows no bounds.

This.

 

[eelw]

Waits for the far left to complain how we’re hypocrites

 

[ch33zw1z]

I wonder what conservatives would say if Joe Biden said on tape that he routinely sexually assaulted women and bragged that they let him do it because he was a senator and Vice President.

They would probably write it off as locker room talk. That’s my guess.

If he brazenly brags about it, maybe he will win back some swing voters. GG, 'Murica

 

[hal2kilo]

Doesn't this show just how stupid it is for Trump's campaign to claim a moral high ground that no longer exists in the Republican party (if it ever did other than them telling you they have it). And if they aren't claiming it, then why bring it up?

 

[Jhhnn]

Some more Poll results. 2/3s of people following the story believe Tara Reade's allegation according to this poll.

Read it & weep-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/06/believe-tara-reade-or-joe-biden-voters-are-split/

It's so ridiculous that only half of Republicans believe it.

 

[Ichinisan]

After a Recession, an endless war, Bush, and lack of the social media of today, Obama running on a populist, anti big business, anti Hillary, anti NAFTA platform as an outsider, had the election in the bag and the Republicans handed it to him on a silver platter, Biden was there to placate the white folk who were on the fence.

and of course you had Sarah "I can see Russia from my house Palin"
against a much younger and mentally capable Biden.

Why did you bring up the Tina Fey quote?

 

[pauldun170]

I wonder what conservatives would say if Joe Biden said on tape that he routinely sexually assaulted women and bragged that they let him do it because he was a senator and Vice President.

They would probably write it off as locker room talk. That’s my guess.

This story allows people to scream both sides when someone brings up Trumps "grab em by the pussy" comment.
It's almost like someone took that meme, wrote a crappy short story around it and is now trying to make a buck off it.