The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

[fskimospy]

I wouldn't expect it to be any other way. In this case, the democrats have to support Joe, or give Trump another win. The ironic part of it is that it's once again a democratic tool that's been turned against them. The solution for the dems is to simply shut up, and that's what they're doing.

How is it a democratic tool turned against them? All credible accusations should be heard and investigated, this one included. Then people can make their own judgments as to how credible they are.

Republicans clearly don't think that's the case though, so I don't see what the complaint is. After all even when multiple people with knowledge of Kavanaugh's behavior as a young man came forward and said he was committing perjury to deny the allegations and Republicans didn't care. The idea that the Democratic position was that Kavanaugh should have been disqualified just because someone made an accusation no matter its credibility was always a lie that Republicans told themselves because that let them dismiss it and get what they wanted.

 

[Blackjack200]

How is it a democratic tool turned against them? All credible accusations should be heard and investigated, this one included. Then people can make their own judgments as to how credible they are.

Republicans clearly don't think that's the case though, so I don't see what the complaint is. After all even when multiple people with knowledge of Kavanaugh's behavior as a young man came forward and said he was committing perjury to deny the allegations and Republicans didn't care. The idea that the Democratic position was that Kavanaugh should have been disqualified just because someone made an accusation no matter its credibility was always a lie that Republicans told themselves because that let them dismiss it and get what they wanted.

Marked

 

[TheVrolok]

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He's literally said that repeatedly.

 

[Starbuck1975]

As this thread illustrates, credibility is a function of political convenience. The criticisms of Reade’s credibility are no different than those launched against Dr. Ford. All that’s changed is the polarity of who is willing to extend benefit of the doubt to the accused versus the accuser.

 

[fskimospy]

As this thread illustrates, credibility is a function of political convenience. The criticisms of Reade’s credibility are no different than those launched against Dr. Ford. All that’s changed is the polarity of who is willing to extend benefit of the doubt to the accused versus the accuser.

Interesting, can you show me where Ford was alleged to have changed her story over time?

 

[Jhhnn]

Interesting, can you show me where Ford was alleged to have changed her story over time?

It doesn't even matter. Tara's advocates already turned off their screaming red lights flashing bullshit detectors.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Interesting, can you show me where Ford was alleged to have changed her story over time?

Thank you for proving my point. Democrats embraced Dr. Ford’s allegations even when questions lingered as to if the party even happened, who was there and even if Kavanaugh was at the party, did he physically assault her. Democrat Senators affirmed that they believed Dr. Ford despite a lack of evidence. The accusations against Kavanaugh became a powerful political weapon, and they wielded it.

It is not uncommon for a victim’s recollection of a sexual assault to change over time. Guilt, power dynamics and the emotions of the assault come into play. That is why defense attorneys often turn the accusations against the accused by exploiting inconsistencies and attacking the character of the victim. Democrats are using that playbook now. The whole point of #metoo was to change that power dynamic.

But because now its not politically convenient, its ok to not believe the accuser.

#ibelieveher*

* when its politically convenient

Democrats should hold Joe Biden to the standards they advocated for, to include Joe Biden himself.

 

[Starbuck1975]

It doesn't even matter. Tara's advocates already turned off their screaming red lights flashing bullshit detectors.

You’re bullshit detector is calibrated to tell you what you want to hear

 

[fskimospy]

Thank you for proving my point. Democrats embraced Dr. Ford’s allegations even when questions lingered as to if the party even happened, who was there and even if Kavanaugh was at the party, did he physically assault her. Democrat Senators affirmed that they believed Dr. Ford despite a lack of evidence. The accusations against Kavanaugh became a powerful political weapon, and they wielded it.

It is not uncommon for a victim’s recollection of a sexual assault to change over time. Guilt, power dynamics and the emotions of the assault come into play. That is why defense attorneys often turn the accusations against the accused by exploiting inconsistencies and attacking the character of the victim. Democrats are using that playbook now. The whole point of #metoo was to change that power dynamic.

But because now its not politically convenient, its ok to not believe the accuser.

#ibelieveher*

* when its politically convenient

Democrats should hold Joe Biden to the standards they advocated for, to include Joe Biden himself.

So in other words you can’t point out any ways in which the complaints of credibility about Ford are the same. Thank you for admitting this.

Your attempt to equate ‘her friend can’t remember the party’ with ‘everyone she says she complained to says it never happened and the documentary evidence she claims proves her point cannot be found’. Ford’s story was also entirely consistent over time while Reade’s has changed multiple times in mutually exclusive ways. We aren’t talking about small details, we are talking about ‘I left and I don’t think Biden even noticed’ to ‘Biden deliberately had me fired and blackballed me in Washington.’ Not to mention Biden hasn’t perjured himself in regards to these events. I know your desperation to #bothsides everything makes you need to try and equate the two but this is transparent nonsense.

Anyone who does not think Reade has a credibility problem she must explain is engaged in motivated reasoning.

I do agree we should hold Biden and Kavanaugh to the same standard though, which is that the claims should be investigated. If Biden perjures himself in his defense he should withdraw his nomination. We know conservatives don’t think that though so they have no room to talk.

 

[sandorski]

The only person saying Biden’s office would have custody of her sexual harassment complaint that she didn’t keep a copy of (despite keeping copies of other records) is Reade.

The bizarre and unlikely idea of ethics offices making the subjects of ethics complaints the custodians of those documents aside, she said she tried to track it down and ‘was told’ Biden had it. If that’s the case then she should be able to tell the media who told her that or at least what office told her that and a general time frame for when she was told it. I see no indication that anyone told the Times or the Post that it would be in Biden’s papers when they tried to find it so if Reade is telling the truth she has additional information to share in order to help them corroborate her story.

It is damaging to her credibility that she claims to have filed a report in real time that no one remembers and no one can find. It would bolster her credibility if such a report could be unearthed so she should have every interest in aiding the investigation.

There is a way to find out if his Senatoial Records contain such a Complaint.

 

[HomerJS]

Want consistency? Put this woman on the stand and under oath like Blasey-Ford or perhaps an independent lie detector test.

Differences I can point out.

Ford can say her accusation came on the first incidence Kavanaugh was up for a national leadership position. I never heard of this guy until his SCOTUS nomination.

Biden ran for President twice before and everyone knew it. Why now?

Biden has already been the victim of a made up smear (Ukraine). We know people will continue to make up stuff about him until the election.

From what is publicly know about Biden he is not known for sexual assault. Kavanaugh's past was such where Ford accusation was believable.

 

[sandorski]

It doesn't even matter. Tara's advocates already turned off their screaming red lights flashing bullshit detectors.

Nah, the Biden Defenders have already turned off their honesty concerning the Allegation.

 

[fskimospy]

There is a way to find out if his Senatoial Records contain such a Complaint.

I agree! All we need to do is find out who or what office told Reade that and then confirm that’s the case. If so, Biden should release whatever documents related to it his office has. Surely she knows at least the general office she contacted so this should be no problem.

Let me guess though, you think the appropriate answer is for Biden to open all of his senate records, something no senator I’m aware of has ever done, in response to Reade saying ‘someone somewhere told me he had it’. It would be a gold mine for opposition researchers about totally unrelated events.

 

[sandorski]

Want consistency? Put this woman on the stand and under oath like Blasey-Ford or perhaps an independent lie detector test.

Differences I can point out.

Ford can say her accusation came on the first incidence Kavanaugh was up for a national leadership position. I never heard of this guy until his SCOTUS nomination.

Biden ran for President twice before and everyone knew it. Why now?

Biden has already been the victim of a made up smear (Ukraine). We know people will continue to make up stuff about him until the election.

From what is publicly know about Biden he is not known for sexual assault. Kavanaugh's past was such where Ford accusation was believable.

One of those times before was before the Alleged event.

If this is a made up smear, it has been in the works since 1993. Whatever it is, there are no doubts at this point that it was not fabricated recently.

 

[sandorski]

I agree! All we need to do is find out who or what office told Reade that and then confirm that’s the case. If so, Biden should release whatever documents related to it his office has. Surely she knows at least the general office she contacted so this should be no problem.

Let me guess though, you think the appropriate answer is for Biden to open all of his senate records, something no senator I’m aware of has ever done, in response to Reade saying ‘someone somewhere told me he had it’. It would be a gold mine for opposition researchers about totally unrelated events.

There are ways the Records could be perused without opening them all. So no, this is not a Play to mine any dirt possible.

You keep wanting to be on the Right side of this, I'm sorry, you are just not. You have become like every other Rape Apologist on this subject.

 

[fskimospy]

There are ways the Records could be perused without opening them all. So no, this is not a Play to mine any dirt possible.

You keep wanting to be on the Right side of this, I'm sorry, you are just not. You have become like every other Rape Apologist on this subject.

It’s kind of funny how you kept complaining about me impugning your character while calling me a rape apologist.

It is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask. If she was told Biden had these records who or what office told her this and approximately when?

 

[sandorski]

It’s kind of funny how you kept complaining about me impugning your character while calling me a rape apologist.

It is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask. If she was told Biden had these records who or what office told her this and approximately when?

Rape Apologists do what Rape Apologists do and what they do is constantly make excuses to dismiss Rape Allegations. Do the Math bro.

How many hurdles are you going to make her jump. If she jumps this one, will it be the final one? I suspect not.

 

[fskimospy]

Rape Apologists do what Rape Apologists do and what they do is constantly make excuses to dismiss Rape Allegations. Do the Math bro.

Oh to be clear I don’t give a shit if you call me that, knock yourself out. I just thought your whining about having your character questioned was funny in light of it.

How many hurdles are you going to make her jump. If she jumps this one, will it be the final one? I suspect not.

Oh yes, the truly unfair and insurmountable hurdle of ‘you said someone told you X. Who?’

Ironically you appear to think that an exhaustive search of decades worth of unindexed files is much more reasonable to ask than ‘who?’

Shouldn’t that be easy for her to answer?

 

[sandorski]

Someone recently made the proclamation that they didn't believe Tara based upon some unrelated Work issues she had. I wonder if they appy that as a universal principle or just for Tara?

Biden quit his first Presidential bid in shame when it was revealed he had lied about his University Grad Class Standing. Apparently, according to him, he was Top of the Class. Unfortunately, he was closer to the bottom.

So same Standard?

 

[sandorski]

Oh to be clear I don’t give a shit if you call me that, knock yourself out. I just thought your whining about having your character questioned was funny in light of it.



Oh yes, the truly unfair and insurmountable hurdle of ‘you said someone told you X. Who?’

Ironically you appear to think that an exhaustive search of decades worth of unindexed files is much more reasonable to ask than ‘who?’

Shouldn’t that be easy for her to answer?

She has already, even before asked, provided Sources. All have corroborated her story. The ball is now in Biden's Court, yet you keep asking more from Her.

 

[fskimospy]

Someone recently made the proclamation that they didn't believe Tara based upon some unrelated Work issues she had. I wonder if they appy that as a universal principle or just for Tara?

Biden quit his first Presidential bid in shame when it was revealed he had lied about his University Grad Class Standing. Apparently, according to him, he was Top of the Class. Unfortunately, he was closer to the bottom.

So same Standard?

To be clear you believe the standard was ‘has lied about anything ever’ and not ‘has accused prior of employer of misconduct without evidence’?

Are you saying you’re unable to understand why one might be relevant and the other not?

 

[fskimospy]

She has already, even before asked, provided Sources. All have corroborated her story. The ball is now in Biden's Court, yet you keep asking more from Her.

No. She made a claim, she backs it up. If she wants to retract her claim then she no longer has to back it up. Until she does, the onus is on her.

Haven’t you learned anything here? The onus is ALWAYS on the person making the claim.

 

[Blackjack200]

No. She made a claim, she backs it up. If she wants to retract her claim then she no longer has to back it up. Until she does, the onus is on her.

Haven’t you learned anything here? The onus is ALWAYS on the person making the claim.

what

 

[Starbuck1975]

So in other words you can’t point out any ways in which the complaints of credibility about Ford are the same. Thank you for admitting this.

I already did, but don’t expect you to acknowledge it.

Your attempt to equate ‘her friend can’t remember the party’ with ‘everyone she says she complained to says it never happened and the documentary evidence she claims proves her point cannot be found’. Ford’s story was also entirely consistent over time while Reade’s has changed multiple times in mutually exclusive ways. We aren’t talking about small details, we are talking about ‘I left and I don’t think Biden even noticed’ to ‘Biden deliberately had me fired and blackballed me in Washington.’ Not to mention Biden hasn’t perjured himself in regards to these events. I know your desperation to #bothsides everything makes you need to try and equate the two but this is transparent nonsense.

As I said, your assessment of credibility is a function of political convenience. This is very much a perfect example of both sides.

Anyone who does not think Reade has a credibility problem she must explain is engaged in motivated reasoning.

*according to your political bias

I do agree we should hold Biden and Kavanaugh to the same standard though, which is that the claims should be investigated. If Biden perjures himself in his defense he should withdraw his nomination. We know conservatives don’t think that though so they have no room to talk.

I am not accusing you of being a hypocrite. The Senators from both sides of the aisle who were active during the Kavanaugh hearings. Absolutely.

 

[sandorski]

To be clear you believe the standard was ‘has lied about anything ever’ and not ‘has accused prior of employer of misconduct without evidence’?

Are you saying you’re unable to understand why one might be relevant and the other not?

Lying on the Campaign trail is not on the Job? Interesting. Also, that is not the only lie he is known for, one other doozy was he "being arrested in South Africa" when going to see the Imprisoned Nelson Mandela.

Dude is running for President, you saying it is irrelevant?

I will once again point out, he can still drop out. The Democratic Establishment doesn't really care if they win anyway, may as well at least save some dignity in whom they choose to potentially lose.