The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

[Jhhnn]

It's quite the shitshow.

They just don't want to say that they don't believe Tara's tale. Smells funny, you know? It runs against the grain of their messaging.

 

[brycejones]

My concern with Kavanaugh was his political past and not the allegations against him.

What has been your position on both?

You were saying something about hypocrites?

Pcgeek11 occasionally forgets we can see his previous posts.

 

[sandorski]

They just don't want to say that they don't believe Tara's tale. Smells funny, you know? It runs against the grain of their messaging.

Why though?

edit - you seem to know what their opinion is, I'll offer an alternative.....they don't want to upset certain Politicians by speaking their actual take on it.

 

[emperus]

Explain what? Sexual harassment is in an entirely different league from sexual assault.

It is but what is the functional difference

I mean to me this is the breakdown:

1) People say she told them at the time, which significantly increases her credibility.

2) She's changed her story a bunch over the last year and a half, which is pretty problematic.

3) The other people present in the office says she misrepresented her duties and the conduct in the office. That doesn't speak directly to the accusation, but it's another general credibility issue.

4) She appears to have had problems with lying about/to/stealing from other former employers.

To me #2 is the main issue - if we know someone has changed their story a bunch of times that means they gave a false account of their experiences one or more times. If we know at least one of the things you said is false, how can we know the others aren't too?

From what I understand, I believe she told people at the time she was sexually harassed and is now coming forward about the digital penetration. I believe Biden may have inappropriately touched her. But the "evolving" story kills her credibility to the penetrations.

 

[interchange]

Looking at this thread seems so hypocritical with respect to how Judge Kavanaugh was treated and spoken about.

It's a joke.

Perhaps you could acknowledge that a reasonable person could find differences between the credibility and quality of Reade and her evidence and that of Ford? That of course would not mean you agree with their findings.

 

[Blackjack200]

I feel bad for Rose, I remember when I realized what the Democratic Party was. It's not a good feeling.

For all it's corruption and awfulness, the Democratic party is a powerful institution and has the ability to change our society. It appears to be run by reasonable people. It is comforting to believe that if you can convince those reasonable people of the superiority of your ideas, that you can change society for the better. Rose here is realizing suddenly what I realized very gradually - that it's all a lie. Once you understand that, you realize that your ability to change society does not depend on convincing reasonable people, but on defeating powerful oligarchs.

It will be interesting to see what happens to Rose. I suspect she'll get Dixie Chicksed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1255643878117572609

 

[UberNeuman]

I feel bad for Rose, I remember when I realized what the Democratic Party was. It's not a good feeling.

For all it's corruption and awfulness, the Democratic party is a powerful institution and has the ability to change our society. It appears to be run by reasonable people. It is comforting to believe that if you can convince those reasonable people of the superiority of your ideas, that you can change society for the better. Rose here is realizing suddenly what I realized very gradually - that it's all a lie. Once you understand that, you realize that your ability to change society does not depend on convincing reasonable people, but on defeating powerful oligarchs.

It will be interesting to see what happens to Rose. I suspect she'll get Dixie Chicksed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1255643878117572609

lol.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why though?

edit - you seem to know what their opinion is, I'll offer an alternative.....they don't want to upset certain Politicians by speaking their actual take on it.

So what? It still doesn't pass the sniff test no matter how badly you want it to.

 

[Jhhnn]

lol.

And now for some celebrity gossip...

 

[UberNeuman]

And now for some celebrity gossip...

Man, I wrote off Chip and Dale and their rage fest days ago.

 

[pcgeek11]

My concern with Kavanaugh was his political past and not the allegations against him.

What has been your position on both?

You were saying something about hypocrites?

I think Joe Biden is also innocent until he has been proven guilty exactly the same as Kavanaugh. I don't know if he is guilty or not. I do think his accuser is more credible than Fords accusation of Judge Kavanaugh or at least on par with.

You misunderstand what I'm saying or just misrepresenting it as usual.

I am accusing the many Democrats Hillary and Gillibrand for instance that have been standing by Joe Biden as innocent, but when it was Judge Kavanaugh the take was you Must Believe the woman accuser, fact or lack of facts be damned.

The same holds true for many in this very thread.

Gillibrands Take:

Asked by reporters Tuesday, Gillibrand said she doesn't see a contradiction between how Democratic lawmakers are handling Reade's allegations and how they handled allegations levied against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh by Christine Blasey Ford in 2018, which Kavanaugh denied during congressional testimony.
"No, and I stand by Vice President Biden. He has devoted his life to supporting women and he has vehemently denied this allegation," the New York Democrat said.

Hillary Clintons statement:

“I am thrilled to be part of your campaign,” Clinton said during a live-streamed town hall on women impacted from the coronavirus. “I want to add my voice to the many that have endorsed you to be our president… This is a moment we need a leader and a president in Joe Biden.”

Key Democratic women rally behind Joe Biden as he faces sexual assault allegation

Multiple female politicians are throwing their support behind former Vice President and apparent Democratic nominee Joe Biden as he responds to a sexual assault allegation from 27 years ago.

www.cnbc.com

 

[pcgeek11]

Pcgeek11 occasionally forgets we can see his previous posts.

No, I don't.

Neither have been proven guilty of anything.
Both have been accused.
Many were ready to toss Kavanaugh on an accusation alone.
Those same persons are standing by Biden.

So women must be believed only when it is along party lines.

 

[pcgeek11]

Perhaps you could acknowledge that a reasonable person could find differences between the credibility and quality of Reade and her evidence and that of Ford? That of course would not mean you agree with their findings.

I would acknowledge there are differences, but not to the extent one should declare Biden clean and Kavanaugh dirty. When neither have been proven guilty of anything.

 

[Starbuck1975]

yup, their masks are off now, we can see that it was purely a political concern. they never gave a shit about Dr. Fords allegations and no one should ever believe them again.

Al Franken must be scratching his head over all of this

 

[fskimospy]

Here’s a good piece that contains most of my concerns about her credibility but raises some other points I was unaware of. Specifically, she claims she filed a report complaining of Biden’s behavior but neither she nor anyone else can locate it. By itself that’s not the biggest issue as old papers can of course get lost, but she apparently DOES have her other employment documents from Biden saved. Seems weird to have saved your papers from your time there except for documentary evidence of the most significant thing that happened to you.

Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor

If we must blindly accept every allegation of sexual assault, the #MeToo\u00a0movement is just a hit squad. And it's too important to be no more than that.

amp.usatoday.com

It is problematic when you claim something happened, that you told three people, and that you filed a formal complaint but every person you said you told denies it, you kept your other records except that complaint, and no one can find it in the official files either.

Let me guess though, by saying that these things should lead a reasonable person to question her credibility I’m an evil, terrible person.

 

[Blackjack200]

Al Franken must be scratching his head over all of this

There are Senators, and then there are Senators.

 

[sandorski]

Here’s a good piece that contains most of my concerns about her credibility but raises some other points I was unaware of. Specifically, she claims she filed a report complaining of Biden’s behavior but neither she nor anyone else can locate it. By itself that’s not the biggest issue as old papers can of course get lost, but she apparently DOES have her other employment documents from Biden saved. Seems weird to have saved your papers from your time there except for documentary evidence of the most significant thing that happened to you.

Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor

If we must blindly accept every allegation of sexual assault, the #MeToo\u00a0movement is just a hit squad. And it's too important to be no more than that.

amp.usatoday.com

It is problematic when you claim something happened, that you told three people, and that you filed a formal complaint but every person you said you told denies it, you kept your other records except that complaint, and no one can find it in the official files either.

Let me guess though, by saying that these things should lead a reasonable person to question her credibility I’m an evil, terrible person.

Bidens Records are frozen, he can release them. That's why her complaint can not be found.

Edit - Atlantic Link

 

[Blackjack200]

Bidens Records are frozen, he can release them. That's why her complaint can not be found.

Edit - Atlantic Link

He knows that, he just doesn't care. He's waiting for the Krassensteins to post their next hit piece so he can paint the ceiling above his computer.

 

[fskimospy]

Bidens Records are frozen, he can release them. That's why her complaint can not be found.

Edit - Atlantic Link

The only person saying Biden’s office would have custody of her sexual harassment complaint that she didn’t keep a copy of (despite keeping copies of other records) is Reade.

The bizarre and unlikely idea of ethics offices making the subjects of ethics complaints the custodians of those documents aside, she said she tried to track it down and ‘was told’ Biden had it. If that’s the case then she should be able to tell the media who told her that or at least what office told her that and a general time frame for when she was told it. I see no indication that anyone told the Times or the Post that it would be in Biden’s papers when they tried to find it so if Reade is telling the truth she has additional information to share in order to help them corroborate her story.

It is damaging to her credibility that she claims to have filed a report in real time that no one remembers and no one can find. It would bolster her credibility if such a report could be unearthed so she should have every interest in aiding the investigation.

 

[dank69]

I feel bad for Rose, I remember when I realized what the Democratic Party was. It's not a good feeling.

For all it's corruption and awfulness, the Democratic party is a powerful institution and has the ability to change our society. It appears to be run by reasonable people. It is comforting to believe that if you can convince those reasonable people of the superiority of your ideas, that you can change society for the better. Rose here is realizing suddenly what I realized very gradually - that it's all a lie. Once you understand that, you realize that your ability to change society does not depend on convincing reasonable people, but on defeating powerful oligarchs.

It will be interesting to see what happens to Rose. I suspect she'll get Dixie Chicksed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1255643878117572609

And yet you still don't realize that Americans giving the Republicans a pass for decades is what is leading to the devolvement of the Democrats.

 

[fskimospy]

One other thing that was brought up recently is how weird the mom's call is if indeed it is referring to a sexual assault/attempted rape or whatever. She says Reade didn't come forward 'out of respect for the senator' - saying you have too much respect for someone who just tried to rape you to tell anyone about it is... bizarre.

 

[Jhhnn]

The only person saying Biden’s office would have custody of her sexual harassment complaint that she didn’t keep a copy of (despite keeping copies of other records) is Reade.

The bizarre and unlikely idea of ethics offices making the subjects of ethics complaints the custodians of those documents aside, she said she tried to track it down and ‘was told’ Biden had it. If that’s the case then she should be able to tell the media who told her that or at least what office told her that and a general time frame for when she was told it. I see no indication that anyone told the Times or the Post that it would be in Biden’s papers when they tried to find it so if Reade is telling the truth she has additional information to share in order to help them corroborate her story.

It is damaging to her credibility that she claims to have filed a report in real time that no one remembers and no one can find. It would bolster her credibility if such a report could be unearthed so she should have every interest in aiding the investigation.

Funny how none of it passes the sniff test, huh?

 

[Jhhnn]

He knows that, he just doesn't care. He's waiting for the Krassensteins to post their next hit piece so he can paint the ceiling above his computer.

Did the Krassensteins say something that isn't true? Perhaps you'd care to quote & dispute?

 

[fskimospy]

Funny how none of it passes the sniff test, huh?

It certainly seems suspicious but in all sincerity she should have an easy way of clearing it up, just tell the NYT or whoever who or what office told her that Biden had custody of that record. Then we can interview that person or that office to see if that's accurate.

 

[Greenman]

No, I don't.

Neither have been proven guilty of anything.
Both have been accused.
Many were ready to toss Kavanaugh on an accusation alone.
Those same persons are standing by Biden.

So women must be believed only when it is along party lines.

I wouldn't expect it to be any other way. In this case, the democrats have to support Joe, or give Trump another win. The ironic part of it is that it's once again a democratic tool that's been turned against them. The solution for the dems is to simply shut up, and that's what they're doing.