The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

[Greenman]

Exquisite bullshit. You're actually claiming Reagan was a centrist? And that I am too? The first thing that needs to happen is that we need to strip the GOP of Power. They've been winning at top down class warfare for 40 years behind a screen of insincerity & divisive culture war issues. They have a radical right wing agenda to destroy the federal govt & are ideologically opposed to all the things Liberals & Progressives both want for America. The rest of us, including Biden, are actually reasonable people who really want the same things. We can work it out, but we have to win it all to do so. I'd say the same if my fellow Democrats had chosen Bernie or Liz or whoever. You're not helping. You already know that, of course, which leads me to question your sincerity entirely.

It's interesting how perception of ones own beliefs can be so disconnected from what they're saying. You're promoting fascism. You're looking to have a centralized authority impose your vision of a better society on others. To me, your version of forced compliance is no better than any other.

 

[fskimospy]

It's interesting how perception of ones own beliefs can be so disconnected from what they're saying. You're promoting fascism. You're looking to have a centralized authority impose your vision of a better society on others. To me, your version of forced compliance is no better than any other.

What on earth are you talking about? He’s clearly referring to stripping the GOP of power through winning elections, which is the whole point of democracy. Also, what exactly do you think the federal government is if not a centralized authority to impose a society on others? I mean that’s what laws are.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That's a very responsible and thoughtful response, in my opinion, and doubtless why I hate it. Seems it always comes down to the lesser of two evils.

Isn't that always the case? Between you and I plus the rest of the world, if they care, I think that the best that the respective parties put forward aren't worthy to tie the shoes of anyone who should be in Office. But politics isn't about merit or other qualities in whom we might employ. These two are exactly what can be expected. Biden is the best of the worst and that is faint praise. The cries from respective partisans are already expected and known against thinking less than fawning attempts at what the Catholics know as being "venerable".

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Right now the progressives are trying to take down Biden.

Centrists are supporting Trump. I too can make statements like this. The truth (not that people want such an ugly bastard as truth) is that more progressive people preferred Sanders but the majority will do as I and vote for the pro-warming anti-climate candidate Biden over Trump.

 

[fskimospy]

Centrists are supporting Trump. I too can make statements like this. The truth (not that people want such an ugly bastard as truth) is that more progressive people preferred Sanders but the majority will do as I and vote for the pro-warming anti-climate candidate Biden over Trump.

This is pretty poor framing. It is reasonable to argue that Biden’s climate change plan doesn’t go far enough. I agree! If his policies were implemented though they would be by far the most progressive climate policy plans the country has ever seen. To equate someone who wants to sharply reduce greenhouse gas emissions but to an insufficient degree with someone working to actively increase them as both being pro-warming ignores the pretty obvious fact that actual warming outcomes would be dramatically different if everyone adopted Biden’s position vs. Trump’s.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is pretty poor framing. It is reasonable to argue that Biden’s climate change plan doesn’t go far enough. I agree! If his policies were implemented though they would be by far the most progressive climate policy plans the country has ever seen. To equate someone who wants to sharply reduce greenhouse gas emissions but to an insufficient degree with someone working to actively increase them as both being pro-warming ignores the pretty obvious fact that actual warming outcomes would be dramatically different if everyone adopted Biden’s position vs. Trump’s.

I think I framed it quite accurately. Trump wants people to get into a 500mph jet and fly it into the side of a mountain cliff. Biden doesn't. He's hoping for a turboprop flying into the same place at a "mere" 250. In the end, it's all the same for the passengers. Far more progressive catastrophic failures are acts of enormity. But I'll vote for Biden because he's not Trump.

 

[fskimospy]

I think I framed it quite accurately. Trump wants people to get into a 500mph jet and fly it into the side of a mountain cliff. Biden doesn't. He's hoping for a turboprop flying into the same place at a "mere" 250. In the end, it's all the same for the passengers. Far more progressive catastrophic failures are acts of enormity. But I'll vote for Biden because he's not Trump.

But that’s the whole point, the outcome ISN’T the same for the passengers. Climate change is not a mountainside, it is a slope, and how far up that slope matters a very great deal as to how much damage is done to the world.

 

[amrnuke]

I think I framed it quite accurately. Trump wants people to get into a 500mph jet and fly it into the side of a mountain cliff. Biden doesn't. He's hoping for a turboprop flying into the same place at a "mere" 250. In the end, it's all the same for the passengers. Far more progressive catastrophic failures are acts of enormity. But I'll vote for Biden because he's not Trump.

It's more like flying a 500mph jet into a building vs a 250mph turboprop into the building.

The twin towers don't come down with a turboprop at 250. They did come down with a jet at a much faster speed.

In this case the pilot and passengers are complicit, but in the case of the Dems (250 turboprop), the collateral is far less severe than with the GOP (500 jet).

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

But that’s the whole point, the outcome ISN’T the same for the passengers. Climate change is not a mountainside, it is a slope, and how far up that slope matters a very great deal as to how much damage is done to the world.

That's not how the thermodynamics of warming works. There will come a point of no return where the slope hits the cliff. Currently, we're looking at 2035-40 ish. At that point, nothing works. Biden buys us perhaps 5 years, maybe more but at some point that cliff jumps up at the deniers. There is no perpetual reduction that has no endpoint as you appear to suggest. It's a matter of when. Take sufficient action before the point of return then we're good. Take insufficient, then adios.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's more like flying a 500mph jet into a building vs a 250mph turboprop into the building.

The twin towers don't come down with a turboprop at 250. They did come down with a jet at a much faster speed.

In this case the pilot and passengers are complicit, but in the case of the Dems (250 turboprop), the collateral is far less severe than with the GOP (500 jet).

Ok, but the world population IS INSIDE THE PLANE. That's the nondeterministic nature of climate. The cliff or building represents runaway irreversible warming. In a geologic timescale who knows? The biosphere will be mostly dead so recovery would be problematic. Dead things don't evolve well.

 

[fskimospy]

That's not how the thermodynamics of warming works. There will come a point of no return where the slope hits the cliff. Currently, we're looking at 2035-40 ish. At that point, nothing works. Biden buys us perhaps 5 years, maybe more but at some point that cliff jumps up at the deniers. There is no perpetual reduction that has no endpoint as you appear to suggest. It's a matter of when. Take sufficient action before the point of return then we're good. Take insufficient, then adios.

Even if that’s accurate, and I am aware of no scientific consensus that says such, you just admitted I’m right that Biden’s policies are better.

 

[Commodus]

Ok, but the world population IS INSIDE THE PLANE. That's the nondeterministic nature of climate. The cliff or building represents runaway irreversible warming. In a geologic timescale who knows? The biosphere will be mostly dead so recovery would be problematic. Dead things don't evolve well.

I look at it this way: at the very least, Biden buys the planet more time. He also accepts basic concepts like, well, science. As I'm sure you're aware, the US can't even begin to get back on the right environmental track until Trump is out, and Biden would very likely undo much of Trump's regulatory damage.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

As if sexual assault and rape are Biden's only crimes. Treasure trove under Biden. Treasure trove under Trump.

Neither $$$/highest bidder candidate(presumptive or incumbent) is clean.

I rest my case. Whataboutism and now you've thrown in "both sides" for good measure.

In Trumps case the crimes are factually criminal, in Bidens case they are hypothetical because reasons.

Hell I haven't even brought up Trumps well documented mountain of lies.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's interesting how perception of ones own beliefs can be so disconnected from what they're saying. You're promoting fascism. You're looking to have a centralized authority impose your vision of a better society on others. To me, your version of forced compliance is no better than any other.

There are moments I think there might be hope for you yet. This isn't one of them. Voting out the Party of the greedy Rich (with delusion culture warriors as foot soldiers) isn't Fascist at all. Neither is advocating a govt that serves us all rather than just the privileged few. That's not a condemnation of wealthy people in general, either, just the ones who've bought the GOP.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Let's recap a few things:

1 Why now? An oft asked question of many Women when they make their Allegations public. She tried a year ago in support of another Woman alleging Sexual Impropriety, but was pushed aside by the organization that helped Dr Ford and has ties with the Biden Campaign, so.....

2 Did she make it up? If she did, she started making it up almost 30 years ago. Seems unlikely.

3 She claimed to tell others about it around the time it happened. The ones she mentioned that are still alive have confirmed it.

4 The Larry King Caller, her Mother or some Rando? Her Mother.

5 A neighbour also confirmed hearing about it, but was she a "Republican Operative". Apparently not as she supports Biden.

All 5 of these have been parts of arguments against her made by various Posters that have been Debunked or Clarified. Has the fact that these have been shown to not be suspicious points changed the Minds of anyone who made these arguments. If not, why not?

Other arguments Unrelated and Immaterial to the Allegation I have ignored, because they are typical Rape Apologist nonsense.

So the question has been asked, am I a Troll? Does a Troll refuse to compromise their Principles of not being willing to throw a Woman under the bus because she makes my Candidate weaker with her Allegations?

Am I a Russian paid by Vladimir with cases of Stolichnaya Elit? Am I a Script on some Server? A Republican Operative? Apparently, these days, it must surely be one of those 3 things, right?

Maybe I am just pissed off that many of you are willing to be fucking Cogs in a soulless machine you call a Political system that doesn't give a shit about any of you outside of recording your pointless Votes.

I understand that Reade is a big problem, just as Bidens' Cognitive Issues are. However, if you want the Moral High ground it would be best that you just pretend these issues didn't exist rather than continue embarrassing yourselves at every opportunity for this previously rejected shitty Candidate.

Sorry.

Out of fairness to Biden, if he claims to not recall the encounter, he wouldn’t necessarily be lying.

 

[Blackjack200]

Out of fairness to Biden, if he claims to not recall the encounter, he wouldn’t necessarily be lying.

I think if he claimed to not recall breakfast he wouldn't necessarily be lying.

 

[emperus]

Basically, last year she said Joe Biden ran his finger up her neck or something creepy like that but she didn't consider it a sexual thing. Then this year she said he sexually assaulted her. Last year she also said she was forced out of the office but thinks Biden didn't even know or notice. Now she says Biden orchestrated her blacklisting throughout DC.

Apparently pointing out that these are two dramatically different accounts that need to be reconciled makes you a bad person.

At first glance I don't find her her credible. Seems her accounts are mired in inconsistencies. The fact that she initially came forward against a powerful Senator would seem to undercut any claim that she was scared to tell the full story. I guess I was asking if I was missing anything else.

 

[fskimospy]

At first glance I don't find her her credible. Seems her accounts are mired in inconsistencies. The fact that she initially came forward against a powerful Senator would seem to undercut any claim that she was scared to tell the full story. I guess I was asking if I was missing anything else.

I mean to me this is the breakdown:

1) People say she told them at the time, which significantly increases her credibility.

2) She's changed her story a bunch over the last year and a half, which is pretty problematic.

3) The other people present in the office says she misrepresented her duties and the conduct in the office. That doesn't speak directly to the accusation, but it's another general credibility issue.

4) She appears to have had problems with lying about/to/stealing from other former employers.

To me #2 is the main issue - if we know someone has changed their story a bunch of times that means they gave a false account of their experiences one or more times. If we know at least one of the things you said is false, how can we know the others aren't too?

 

[pcgeek11]

Looking at this thread seems so hypocritical with respect to how Judge Kavanaugh was treated and spoken about.

It's a joke.

 

[Blackjack200]

Looking at this thread seems so hypocritical with respect to how Judge Kavanaugh was treated and spoken about.

It's a joke.

yup, their masks are off now, we can see that it was purely a political concern. they never gave a shit about Dr. Fords allegations and no one should ever believe them again.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Looking at this thread seems so hypocritical with respect to how Judge Kavanaugh was treated and spoken about.

It's a joke.

We're talking Presidents or potential ones. Therefore have both Trump and Biden investigated and Trump wave immunity to prosecution and indeed insist on it if he is found criminally liable. Then Biden has his turn.

I'm good with that, but no high and mighty unaccountability by Trump and Barr and the DOJ keeps away. Bring back Congressional prosecutors on an ad hoc basis and let justice be done.

How's that?

 

[Blackjack200]

Lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1255471623903350787

 

[sandorski]

Lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1255471623903350787

It's quite the shitshow.

 

[pcgeek11]

We're talking Presidents or potential ones. Therefore have both Trump and Biden investigated and Trump wave immunity to prosecution and indeed insist on it if he is found criminally liable. Then Biden has his turn.

I'm good with that, but no high and mighty unaccountability by Trump and Barr and the DOJ keeps away. Bring back Congressional prosecutors on an ad hoc basis and let justice be done.

How's that?

No, what we are talking about is accused sexual assaults by men and how they are believed or not believed IAW the political bias of many.

What do you think about the disconnect between Biden and Judge Kavanaugh treatment by the Democrats?

 

[ivwshane]

Looking at this thread seems so hypocritical with respect to how Judge Kavanaugh was treated and spoken about.

It's a joke.

My concern with Kavanaugh was his political past and not the allegations against him.

What has been your position on both?

You were saying something about hypocrites?

Innocent until proven guilty.

Thanks for supporting smearing an innocent family in the pigsty that the democratic party has become.

A good man? Lol the guy worked with Ken starr and got Clinton in a perjury trap, you know that thing people say is the reason trump shouldn't speak to Mueller. The guy also lied to Congress, under oath. He also used stolen emails for to push through judicial nominations.

The guy is as partisan as you are and is loyalty is to the Republican party and the federalist society.

He's a good man meaning he's a real "team" player.