The Islamization of Europe

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Dari

I would suggest the Europeans stop feeling guilty about the past (guilt complex). Terrorists are terrorists, not victims that need to be caressed into society or "understood." These people are not in their native country for a reason. And no, criminals that call for a worldwide caliphate are not political prisoners. It's also not right to turn a blind eye to the rape and persecution of women in ethnic communities because it's "tradition." They are taking advantage of the freedoms that we enjoy to destroy us through attrition.

Kill them or send them home where they will be dealt with accordingly.

I have no problem with go after the terrorists with as much venom as one can muster but it doesn't seem to me that you guys are making much of any distinction between terrorists and Muslims in general.

That's because the terrorists are hiding behind their religion. It's not really easy to discern one from another but there are litmus tests they could take. A simple solution should be how well they integrate into the new society. If the outsiders refuse to adhere to women rights, tolerance of others, or makes an allegiance with worldwide terrorism, then it's time to take a closer look at them. The whole thing is fuzzy but I never knew of any terrorist that did not like to work in the shadows, if not in darkness.

Let me guess, you or someone who has your worldview gets to make the call on how they are doing? Maybe I should be the judge instead.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Dari

I would suggest the Europeans stop feeling guilty about the past (guilt complex). Terrorists are terrorists, not victims that need to be caressed into society or "understood." These people are not in their native country for a reason. And no, criminals that call for a worldwide caliphate are not political prisoners. It's also not right to turn a blind eye to the rape and persecution of women in ethnic communities because it's "tradition." They are taking advantage of the freedoms that we enjoy to destroy us through attrition.

Kill them or send them home where they will be dealt with accordingly.

I have no problem with go after the terrorists with as much venom as one can muster but it doesn't seem to me that you guys are making much of any distinction between terrorists and Muslims in general.

When Muslims differentiate, the rest of the world can differentiate. We don't see them policing themselves!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Dari

I would suggest the Europeans stop feeling guilty about the past (guilt complex). Terrorists are terrorists, not victims that need to be caressed into society or "understood." These people are not in their native country for a reason. And no, criminals that call for a worldwide caliphate are not political prisoners. It's also not right to turn a blind eye to the rape and persecution of women in ethnic communities because it's "tradition." They are taking advantage of the freedoms that we enjoy to destroy us through attrition.

Kill them or send them home where they will be dealt with accordingly.

I have no problem with go after the terrorists with as much venom as one can muster but it doesn't seem to me that you guys are making much of any distinction between terrorists and Muslims in general.

That's because the terrorists are hiding behind their religion. It's not really easy to discern one from another but there are litmus tests they could take. A simple solution should be how well they integrate into the new society. If the outsiders refuse to adhere to women rights, tolerance of others, or makes an allegiance with worldwide terrorism, then it's time to take a closer look at them. The whole thing is fuzzy but I never knew of any terrorist that did not like to work in the shadows, if not in darkness.

That would be the problem!

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Dari

I would suggest the Europeans stop feeling guilty about the past (guilt complex). Terrorists are terrorists, not victims that need to be caressed into society or "understood." These people are not in their native country for a reason. And no, criminals that call for a worldwide caliphate are not political prisoners. It's also not right to turn a blind eye to the rape and persecution of women in ethnic communities because it's "tradition." They are taking advantage of the freedoms that we enjoy to destroy us through attrition.

Kill them or send them home where they will be dealt with accordingly.

I have no problem with go after the terrorists with as much venom as one can muster but it doesn't seem to me that you guys are making much of any distinction between terrorists and Muslims in general.

Thats because there IS no distinction. You would think if Muslims were truly interested in getting along with others they would do a bit more to denounce the terrorists and seperate themselves from them. But they dont. Does lack of action make one guilty? Well, no entirely. But lack of action sure shows they dont necesarily disagree with the terrorists now do they?
You would think the Islamic community as a whole would stand firm against terrorism and publicly and routinely deny the terrorists and thier actions.
Funny though, every time another infidel is killed by a bomb the Islamic community is strangely silent on the issue arent they.....

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
[I have no problem with go after the terrorists with as much venom as one can muster but it doesn't seem to me that you guys are making much of any distinction between terrorists and Muslims in general.

Thats because there IS no distinction. You would think if Muslims were truly interested in getting along with others they would do a bit more to denounce the terrorists and seperate themselves from them. But they dont. Does lack of action make one guilty? Well, no entirely. But lack of action sure shows they dont necesarily disagree with the terrorists now do they?
You would think the Islamic community as a whole would stand firm against terrorism and publicly and routinely deny the terrorists and thier actions.
Funny though, every time another infidel is killed by a bomb the Islamic community is strangely silent on the issue arent they.....

You would have felt right at home in 1930's Berlin

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Dari

I would suggest the Europeans stop feeling guilty about the past (guilt complex). Terrorists are terrorists, not victims that need to be caressed into society or "understood." These people are not in their native country for a reason. And no, criminals that call for a worldwide caliphate are not political prisoners. It's also not right to turn a blind eye to the rape and persecution of women in ethnic communities because it's "tradition." They are taking advantage of the freedoms that we enjoy to destroy us through attrition.

Kill them or send them home where they will be dealt with accordingly.

I have no problem with go after the terrorists with as much venom as one can muster but it doesn't seem to me that you guys are making much of any distinction between terrorists and Muslims in general.

Thats because there IS no distinction. You would think if Muslims were truly interested in getting along with others they would do a bit more to denounce the terrorists and seperate themselves from them. But they dont. Does lack of action make one guilty? Well, no entirely. But lack of action sure shows they dont necesarily disagree with the terrorists now do they?
You would think the Islamic community as a whole would stand firm against terrorism and publicly and routinely deny the terrorists and thier actions.
Funny though, every time another infidel is killed by a bomb the Islamic community is strangely silent on the issue arent they.....

I worked with a Muslim. Of all the people at that site, he was the most honest dealing with people. He treated others better too. I have plans to invite him over for a cookout. Should I suspect him and change my mind?

 

[sandorski]

Some guy was recently fired for saying the same thing in regards to 9/11. Dissent exists amongst Muslim populations, just because some have failed to see Muslim criticism of Terrorism, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There was a thread months ago providing all kinds of Muslim condemnation of Terrorism. Perhaps some should re-read it?

 

[biostud]

For some reason we believe that people have a right to practice their own religion, and that doing when so should not generally be targeted for suspision. On the other hand it's in all peacefully co-living people to strike down on factions that abuse this human right to create terrorism. But in doing so we should never abide from the first sentence.

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
[I have no problem with go after the terrorists with as much venom as one can muster but it doesn't seem to me that you guys are making much of any distinction between terrorists and Muslims in general.

Thats because there IS no distinction. You would think if Muslims were truly interested in getting along with others they would do a bit more to denounce the terrorists and seperate themselves from them. But they dont. Does lack of action make one guilty? Well, no entirely. But lack of action sure shows they dont necesarily disagree with the terrorists now do they?
You would think the Islamic community as a whole would stand firm against terrorism and publicly and routinely deny the terrorists and thier actions.
Funny though, every time another infidel is killed by a bomb the Islamic community is strangely silent on the issue arent they.....

You would have felt right at home in 1930's Berlin

Or Northern Ireland in the 70s - replace Muslims with Catholics or Protestants and see what you get.

Going back to the original point of this thread, though - the op's article is ridiculously overblown, and some of the responses here are shockingly xenophobic and narrow minded. I'm a European, and have known and worked with quite a few immigrants - from India, Pakistan, Jamaica, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Ireland, etc etc. They've come here for an improved quality of life - for more money, better education for their children, - not as part of some kind of nefarious plan for world conquest. Many of them come from different cultures from me, and maintain their cultures while here. I don't find that a threat to me, or my identity. I don't think that the world is going to end.

Maybe its because my family (on one side) are relatively recent immigrants to the UK from Ireland, but I don't see immigration as the big threat some here do. I'd like to think that the benefits of modern society - increased travel, mixing, communications between peoples will lead to better understanding, and less suspicion, but I'm not foolish to think that this could happen soon, or to everyone. And some of the posters on this board, supposedly from the most advanced country in the world, the melting pot, are enough to prove that.

 

[biostud]

Not to forget ETA in Spain.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Some guy was recently fired for saying the same thing in regards to 9/11. Dissent exists amongst Muslim populations, just because some have failed to see Muslim criticism of Terrorism, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There was a thread months ago providing all kinds of Muslim condemnation of Terrorism. Perhaps some should re-read it?

I would happily read it had I known of it!
Dont misunderstand me, I'd LIKE to give the Islamic population as a whole a chance. I'm only basing my opinion on what I see. And, what *I* see is a general silence among the Islamic community in regards tot he terrorist attacks. Hell, I'd be happy if I saw them denouncing the terrorists publicly. but, I just dont see it happening. 🙁

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
[I have no problem with go after the terrorists with as much venom as one can muster but it doesn't seem to me that you guys are making much of any distinction between terrorists and Muslims in general.

Thats because there IS no distinction. You would think if Muslims were truly interested in getting along with others they would do a bit more to denounce the terrorists and seperate themselves from them. But they dont. Does lack of action make one guilty? Well, no entirely. But lack of action sure shows they dont necesarily disagree with the terrorists now do they?
You would think the Islamic community as a whole would stand firm against terrorism and publicly and routinely deny the terrorists and thier actions.
Funny though, every time another infidel is killed by a bomb the Islamic community is strangely silent on the issue arent they.....

You would have felt right at home in 1930's Berlin

I was unaware the Jewish community was committing acts of terrorism in the 30's in Germany!! Do you have a link to an article? Were they blowing up passenger planes? Taking over schools and executing schoolchildren? Blowing up bus stops or buildings?!
Those evil Jews, I had no idea they did that in Germany!!

:roll:

 

[biostud]

I think one of the problem is "who do speak for the muslims?" There's lots of different muslim fractions, and I would like to know who should make the statement for you to be satisifed.

You could just as well have Bush say he doesn't support the killing of innocents, while we all know that's what happens when waging a war.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

I was unaware the Jewish community was committing acts of terrorism in the 30's in Germany!! Do you have a link to an article? Were they blowing up passenger planes? Taking over schools and executing schoolchildren? Blowing up bus stops or buildings?!
Those evil Jews, I had no idea they did that in Germany!!

:roll:

They didn't, that's why I say that you'd fit right in with those Brown Shirts. Like you they were part of a lunatic fringe.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: biostud
I think one of the problem is "who do speak for the muslims?" There's lots of different muslim fractions, and I would like to know who should make the statement for you to be satisifed.

You could just as well have Bush say he doesn't support the killing of innocents, while we all know that's what happens when waging a war.

Technically, yes thats what happens when we wage war. But we do our utmost to minimize civilian casualties, as opposed to terrorists who actively target civilians.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

I was unaware the Jewish community was committing acts of terrorism in the 30's in Germany!! Do you have a link to an article? Were they blowing up passenger planes? Taking over schools and executing schoolchildren? Blowing up bus stops or buildings?!
Those evil Jews, I had no idea they did that in Germany!!

:roll:

They didn't, that's why I say that you'd fit right in with those Brown Shirts. Like you they were part of a lunatic fringe.

I'm not understanding your.....different....logic here.
So, I dont like a religion and people who commit acts of terrorism or support people who commit those acts, and yet I would fit in in a country that persecuted a completely innocent people?
This isnt making sense to me......

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I'm not understanding your.....different....logic here.
So, I dont like a religion and people who commit acts of terrorism or support people who commit those acts, and yet I would fit in in a country that persecuted a completely innocent people?
This isnt making sense to me......

Obviously you don't think you are calling for the persecution of innocent people because they happen to be Muslim. Well the Brown Shirts didn't see the Jews ass inocent either.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I'm not understanding your.....different....logic here.
So, I dont like a religion and people who commit acts of terrorism or support people who commit those acts, and yet I would fit in in a country that persecuted a completely innocent people?
This isnt making sense to me......

Obviously you don't think you are calling for the persecution of innocent people because they happen to be Muslim. Well the Brown Shirts didn't see the Jews ass inocent either.

So, if they walk around silent to the terrorist acts their own kind are committing, thats innocent?? 😕

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I'm not understanding your.....different....logic here.
So, I dont like a religion and people who commit acts of terrorism or support people who commit those acts, and yet I would fit in in a country that persecuted a completely innocent people?
This isnt making sense to me......

Obviously you don't think you are calling for the persecution of innocent people because they happen to be Muslim. Well the Brown Shirts didn't see the Jews ass inocent either.

So, if they walk around silent to the terrorist acts their own kind are committing, thats innocent?? 😕

Their own kind? What kind is that? Oh you mean dark skinned people who believe in Allah?:roll:

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I'm not understanding your.....different....logic here.
So, I dont like a religion and people who commit acts of terrorism or support people who commit those acts, and yet I would fit in in a country that persecuted a completely innocent people?
This isnt making sense to me......

Obviously you don't think you are calling for the persecution of innocent people because they happen to be Muslim. Well the Brown Shirts didn't see the Jews ass inocent either.

So, if they walk around silent to the terrorist acts their own kind are committing, thats innocent?? 😕

Their own kind? What kind is that? Oh you mean dark skinned people who believe in Allah?:roll:

No, purple people eaters.
Come on man, quit playing these boring games and quit trolling.

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I'm not understanding your.....different....logic here.
So, I dont like a religion and people who commit acts of terrorism or support people who commit those acts, and yet I would fit in in a country that persecuted a completely innocent people?
This isnt making sense to me......

Obviously you don't think you are calling for the persecution of innocent people because they happen to be Muslim. Well the Brown Shirts didn't see the Jews ass inocent either.

So, if they walk around silent to the terrorist acts their own kind are committing, thats innocent?? 😕

What do you wan't - every Muslim in the world to personally write a letter condemning terrorism to you every day?

Why don't you try to meet some Muslim's and see what they say rather than blaming the many for the crimes of a few?

A few months ago, an American man living here in Britain shot and killed a policeman. I didn't hear you apologise - is it acceptable that you walk around silent to the acts your 'kind' are commiting? Should I accept that 'Americans wan't [me] dead"? And plan accordingly?

Though Red Dawn is one of the posters here I have great respect for, I don't particularly like his Brownshirt analogy. As I said before - I think your attitude harks back more to the worst days of the troubles in Northern Ireland - replace the word 'Muslim' in your diatribes with 'Catholic' or 'Protestant' and see what I mean.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I'm not understanding your.....different....logic here.
So, I dont like a religion and people who commit acts of terrorism or support people who commit those acts, and yet I would fit in in a country that persecuted a completely innocent people?
This isnt making sense to me......

Obviously you don't think you are calling for the persecution of innocent people because they happen to be Muslim. Well the Brown Shirts didn't see the Jews ass inocent either.

So, if they walk around silent to the terrorist acts their own kind are committing, thats innocent?? 😕

Their own kind? What kind is that? Oh you mean dark skinned people who believe in Allah?:roll:

No, purple people eaters.
Come on man, quit playing these boring games and quit trolling.

Expalin how my comments can be construed as trolling? You are the one who said "Their Kind" and for the most part Muslims are dark Skinned people who believe in Allah. You also posted an article about "White Flight from the Netherlands" It seems to me that you have a problem with those who are not white and not Christian.

 

[StageLeft]

Europe's immigration is a mess. They can't control it. The exact same can be said for America's.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Specop, these people label us as muslim haters but they don't realize that their ignorance and naivety will lead them down the path of death and destruction. Radical Islam is growing and coming to our cities, either do something or duck your head in the sand.

Muslims see the mass immigration to Europe as a way of settling old defeats, as a way of getting their revenge. European whites are basically not reproducing and when you have massive muslim immigration and very high birthrates among them, you lose all heritage, lose your language, culture and pride in your nation. That is why Europe is falling apart as we speak.

The most common name given to a newborn in Netherlands: Mohammed.

No Muslims don't see it as that. "Muahah yes let us go live in the land of infidels so we may overtake them in population!"

And immigrants tend to have higher birth rates, and Mohammed is a VERY common name anyways. What isyour point?

 

[raildogg]

Just because you are pointing out that radical Islam is gaining a foothold and is raidly spreading doesn't mean you hate Islam. Radical Islam is a threat to all of us, muslims included. The thing is that whenever you point something like this out, you are labeled a muslim hater.🙁

There is a lot of hate for Europeans among some muslims in Europe, just read your local NY Times. Or any other news source. The radical clerics are calling for Jihad against the very countries they are living in. But these drugged out, sexed out Europeans could care less that their country is being destroyed as we speak. In fact, these are the sons and daughters of ex-Nazis (in Germany) and feel extreme guilt towards everyone. To be fair, all European countries feels guilt for their past atrocities against people around the world, thats why they're letting the foreigners take over their countries without even putting up a fight. The sad part is that Europe is going down without a fight.

Without heritage, without language, without borders, without values and morals, without culture and without pride, there is no country. Just ask the Romans.