The Islamic Community Policing Itself

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Proletariat
What is the world looking for?

Some sort of re-education of Islamic youth, re-structuring of Islamic societies, and reform of Islam. Right now it stands as the most intolerant group of nations and people in the world. This needs to change. When you have violence spreading from Isreal and Jordan, to France, Niger, India, Afghanistan and Russia as well as America, then I think there is something more than just 'oppressed youth'. A good portion of the problem is Islamic. If they don't have the guts to clean their house, thats fine. But when your kids start causing peoples trouble at other peoples homes maybe its time to start looking inwards.

Yes, and this was the sort of clap trap I was talking about. You don't have any real ideas or suggestions, just vague "something needs to be done" type statements. It would be super if they all got together at the big meeting and decided to re-structure their society (or whatever), but I don't think that's quite how things work.

So its all our responsibility?

What have Islamic families and social groups done to curb this? I haven't seen one group do a damn thing. Its all finger waving and talk. Who cares if someone puts a fatwa or jihad against terrorism? Why don't Muslims take that jihad to an action level. Many of them seem to be able to do that when killing fellow Muslims or foreigners.

I'm asking what you think they should be doing. It's easy to say that they aren't doing enough, but what exactly should they be doing? That was the whole point of this thread. What exactly is involved with the "action level". More importantly, what can an individual Muslim do, or a community center?

Lock up these criminals, thugs and murderers. Don't put them in cozy cells and secretly release them like the two countries that are supposedly doing the most to fight terrorism, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Put a jihad out and create a militia. Tell people that they get those virgins if they help the community, not killing Europeans, Israelis, Indians or people from any other bordering nation. If all these people respect is force maybe they should be fought by people within the community who don't like the direction their civilization is heading in.

It seems as if the West, Israel and India are damned if you do, damned if you don't. I know for a fact that the laws in Europe and India are much more accomadating to Muslims then ours in America. Just look at that psycho one-eyed cleric in Britain who was living there forever and was preaching hate against his own adopted country. Just look at the marriage laws in India, Muslims have their own laws seperate from Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus and Buddhists. They can marry as many women as they want and have reserved seats in government. Israel has done far more than any of its neighbors are willing to do in order to defuse the situation.

Obviously being more liberal is not helping and neither is being harsh. Sometimes people need to look inwards instead of being so envious of what others have.

And BTW I'm all for helping poor countries, but it seems as if any aid we give to these fundamental Islamic whackos doesn't really go anywhere except towards perpetuating the current state of affairs.

That's a law enforcement issue. Muslims aren't responsible for that kind of behavior, it's the fault of governments in the Middle East who don't do anything to deal with terrorists in their countries.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: mOeeOm


Stopped reading right there, before you make wacky suggestions go out and learn about Islam first.

So are you denying the commonly held perception that pious (to some that would include murderers and suicide bombers) Muslims are believed to go to heaven with 72 virgins? Are the reports of Muslim suicide bombers screaming "God is great" before killing women and children fake as well?

Stop denying the truth. Muslim extremist have been killing and maiming in the name of god and Islam for hundreds of years. Please refute that.

That sentence makes no logical sense. Yes, people have killed and are killing in the name of Islam. How does this make Muslims extremists? Surely it's possible that some are extremists, and some are not, right? I don't get this obsessive need by everyone to catagorize an entire group the same. If some liberals are "bad", ALL liberals must be bad. If some Christians want to force their faith on you, then ALL Christians want to force their faith on you. If some Muslims commit terrorist acts, ALL Muslims are terrorist extremists.

Kind of the sign of a simple mind, wouldn't you say?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: daniel49
I think this is what I am looking for

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9979747/

Muslims who finally quit making excuses and realize these scum are bad news for everybody.
And we will all benefit when thier presence on planet earth no longer exists.

That's exactly the kind of stuff I like to see. But here's the thing, we're already seeing it, it's starting to happen more and more. Sure there are times when no one speaks out, but that seems to happen less and less. Why are we still bitching about Muslims not doing anything when it seems obvious that they are starting to move in that direction?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Chiller2
What do I want them to do well for starters if your Iman starts talking about blowing up things leave the mosq and REPORT IT!!! When a suicde bomber blows himself up condem him and his act for being cowardly. Do no support their actions by your actions or inaction. If I was a member of a Christian church and the preacher started talking about blowing up govt building I would be on the phone to the FBI so fast it would make your head spin. Thats all I ask them to do I don't expect them to arrest or capture anyone just report them and activly speak out againt them and their acts.

I doubt the average Imam says stuff like that. You think the radical clerics have moderate followers? That's not how religion works in the US, or anywhere else, why would it work that way with Islam?