The internet is dead in canada... 25gb cap for everybody

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Engineer

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I must come in one more time to LOL @ Canadians

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Laugh all you want but I would bet that US companies are watching this closely just looking for a chance to put (more) caps in place and charge more for it. Be careful what you laugh at.
 

Zebo

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That's unbelievable. Two stream games are 25GB. Imagine doing a PC install with MS updates, reinstalling all your games off stream...easy 150GB

Netflix users forgetaboutit.
 

Nebor

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That's unbelievable. Two stream games are 25GB. Imagine doing a PC install with MS updates, reinstalling all your games off stream...easy 150GB

Netflix users forgetaboutit.

You must not value your time OR bandwidth if you're re downloading all your Steam games instead of storing them on an external hard drive or NAS. Also all your saves\progress in non-cloud games are lost...
 

spidey07

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From the Globe and Mail.


UBB? Oh, it stands for Unbelievable Business Balone

Nice article that tells it the way it is:

"(the CRTC had sanctioned charges of $1 to $5 per gigabyte, when a reasonable actual cost to the suppliers, according to multiple sources, is 10 cents at the very most)"

What you're failing to understand is that price is meant to be a deterrent to abuse. It's not a big dump truck you can just dump data on 24x7.
 

sdifox

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What you're failing to understand is that price is meant to be a deterrent to abuse. It's not a big dump truck you can just dump data on 24x7.

Deterrent to Netflix and the like of course. Otherwise why is the pay per view, iptv (from the isp) bandwidth not counted in the cap? Travelling through the same network.
 

spidey07

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Deterrent to Netflix and the like of course. Otherwise why is the pay per view, iptv (from the isp) bandwidth not counted in the cap? Travelling through the same network.

Because IPTV stuff is pushed out to the edge of the network and doesn't put a load on the core/distriubtion and peering links. It's nowhere near the same thing.
 

sdifox

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Because IPTV stuff is pushed out to the edge of the network and doesn't put a load on the core/distriubtion and peering links. It's nowhere near the same thing.

err, we are talking last mile here...
 

mugs

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Deterrent to Netflix and the like of course. Otherwise why is the pay per view, iptv (from the isp) bandwidth not counted in the cap? Travelling through the same network.

Because IPTV stuff is pushed out to the edge of the network and doesn't put a load on the core/distriubtion and peering links. It's nowhere near the same thing.

err, we are talking last mile here...

Spidey answered your question accurately. I'm not sure what you're not understanding. Delivering video from close to the consumer is a lot more efficient than delivering it from a centralized location. It passes over a very small portion of the network.

Think of it this way - if every user wanted to view streaming video over Netflix at the same time, they'd probably need to substantially increase the capacity of the network. But if everyone wanted to watch pay per view at the same time that'd be no problem, because the data wouldn't be traveling through the whole network. It's where people start sharing the same pipe that one person can degrade the service for others.
 

Phokus

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To give you an idea of what a load of shit spidey is full of:

For the month of February, sickbeard/couchpotato/porn rss feeds interacting with sickbeard ALONE is 354 gigabytes this month for me. I'm well on my way for destroying my record for 800 gigs in a month (i have another 900 gigs queued up in sabnzbd with more added each weak)

This on a $29 per month, 15 mb/s connection. I'm somewhat considerate and only d/l during sleep/work though.
 

sdifox

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Spidey answered your question accurately. I'm not sure what you're not understanding. Delivering video from close to the consumer is a lot more efficient than delivering it from a centralized location. It passes over a very small portion of the network.

Think of it this way - if every user wanted to view streaming video over Netflix at the same time, they'd probably need to substantially increase the capacity of the network. But if everyone wanted to watch pay per view at the same time that'd be no problem, because the data wouldn't be traveling through the whole network. It's where people start sharing the same pipe that one person can degrade the service for others.

Perhaps I am not explaining the situation appropriately. Independent ISP is leasing the last mile from the big ISPs. I don't care where your data origin is, all data arriving to the customer is through the last mile. How is content from Bell different than content from some independent ISP? If there is a bandwidth shortage in the last mile, how is Bell going to offer IPTV? And if there is a bandwith issue and Bell is not charging bandwidth use with their video service, is that not racketeering? You are using one division to subsidise another in order to kill of your competition.

2. Bell did not pay for the last mile 100%. The people of Canada paid most of it (through levies). Bell Canada was given a charter to build out the network. Basically a contractor.


interesting read

http://www.itworldcanada.com/blogs/...justify-questionably-lawful-throttling/47800/



here is a chunk from netflix copy and pasted from http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/Netflix-Heres-What-We-Think-siliconalley-2045228165.html?x=0

This may or may not be accurate, but it should be noted that because we pay for the data to be delivered to regional ISP front doors, little of this traffic goes over the Internet or ISP backbone networks, thereby minimizing ISP costs, avoiding congestion, and improving performance for end-using consumers. An independent negative issue for Netflix and other Internet video providers would be a move by wired ISPs to shift consumers to pay-per-gigabyte models instead of the current unlimited-up-to-a-large-cap approach. We hope this doesn’t happen, and will do what we can to promote the unlimited-up-to-a large-cap model. Wired ISPs have large fixed costs of building and maintaining their last mile network of residential cable and fiber. The ISPs’ costs, however, to deliver a marginal gigabyte, which is about an hour of viewing, from one of our regional interchange points over their last mile wired network to the consumer is less than a penny, and falling, so there is no reason that pay-per-gigabyte is economically necessary. Moreover, at $1 per gigabyte over wired networks, it would be grossly overpriced.
 
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coreyb

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it has been shot down already

my provider (teksavvy) put their caps up to 300gb now from 200gb. :)

they also had to hire 20 new people because of the influx of new customers.
 

shabby

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what's the latest on this? anyone care to provide an update?

Its been delayed until mid summer for some public hearing, and final decision will come sometime in fall.
A petition filed a by person(pdf in the fist post, 6th link) was supposed to be published today but wasn't, tony clement must of delayed it since he knew his government would be dissolved today. This is definitely going to become a political issue now for the new government.