The internet is dead in canada... 25gb cap for everybody

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yllus

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I have to admit, I really like the Conservatives going into this next election for smacking Bell down as hard as they did on this issue.

Reuters Canada - BCE drops wholesale usage-based Internet bills

TORONTO (Reuters) - BCE Inc has backed away from a plan to charge its wholesale Internet customers on a per-user basis, following a public outcry that sparked political intervention.

Instead BCE, which operates under the Bell brand, says it will aggregate the amount it charges wholesalers that lease bandwidth on its network based on the total amount of data they use. It will also lower the access fees it charges them to use its newest fiber network.

Canada's minority Conservative government had said it would block a regulator's decision to support BCE's move to charge small ISPs in a way that would have forced them to pass along Bell's excess charges.

The government position in turn pushed the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission to announce it would reconsider its decision.

"Wholesale UBB (usage-based billing) was quite controversial," said BCE's senior vice president for regulatory and government affairs, Mirko Bibic.

"What we're trying to do is move on and come up with the right pricing model for the user, for small ISPs, for ourselves and our shareholders quite clearly, and for investments," Bibic said.

Small wholesalers such as TekSavvy offer cheaper Internet packages with much higher usage caps than established operators.

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Under the new pricing structure, Bell will charge small Internet providers by the total volume of data they use, charged in C$200 per terabyte increments, or 19.5 Canadian cents per gigabyte.

Bell also said it would be lowering the fee it charges to access its fiber network, while for its slower legacy network it will provide an aggregated 41 gigabytes per user free.
 

shabby

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So rather than implementing ubb for the consumer, they basically implemented ubb for the isp... brilliant!
Isn't the isp already purchasing 1gbps links from bell? They still want to charge them for the bandwidth they use? Wtf...
 

yllus

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A fairly priced pay-per-use billing system on third parties who are in fact making use of the infrastructure Bell (or Rogers) built and maintain is just that - fair. I haven't heard the reaction to these plans from Teksavvy or others who'd be affected, but at first glance this really isn't that bad.
 

silverpig

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A fairly priced pay-per-use billing system on third parties who are in fact making use of the infrastructure Bell (or Rogers) built and maintain is just that - fair. I haven't heard the reaction to these plans from Teksavvy or others who'd be affected, but at first glance this really isn't that bad.

Didn't those companies get federal tax $ to build out a lot of those networks?
 

yllus

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Didn't those companies get federal tax $ to build out a lot of those networks?

I'm not sure if it was literally subsidies or (more likely) really fantastically cheap loans from the government, but yeah, there's a reason aside from "they're the feds" that the government gets a say in how that infrastructure is used/priced.
 

shabby

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A fairly priced pay-per-use billing system on third parties who are in fact making use of the infrastructure Bell (or Rogers) built and maintain is just that - fair

Smaller isp's are already paying to use bell/rogers infrastructure, this is simply double dipping on a larger scale.
Isp's buy a certain amount of 1gbps links from bell, it is bell's job to provide that link and make sure its able to feed the isp at its rated speed 24/7, the isp links them to their backbone which they also buy and you get your internet. This is simply ubb 2.0, nothing more.

If the average download amount per user at an isp is 300gb's a month, the average cost to the user is going to be $32 base price + $60($200 per tb / 3.3) + taxes = $104. How is this any different from my amount in the first post?
 
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AnonymouseUser

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Sounds like typical political speak to me:

1: Address the issue with a promise to make sure it's "fair for all".
2: Hookers and blow for six months.
3: Announce that he has seen nothing unfair in the ruling and nothing will be changed.
4: ??
5: Profit!

Smaller isp's are already paying to use bell/rogers infrastructure, this is simply double dipping on a larger scale.
Isp's buy a certain amount of 1gbps links from bell, it is bell's job to provide that link and make sure its able to feed the isp at its rated speed 24/7, the isp links them to their backbone which they also buy and you get your internet. This is simply ubb 2.0, nothing more.

If the average download amount per user at an isp is 300gb's a month, the average cost to the user is going to be $32 base price + $60($200 per tb / 3.3) + taxes = $104. How is this any different from my amount in the first post?

So I was slightly wrong in my previous statement. Part 3 should have read:

1: Address the issue with a promise to make sure it's "fair for all".
2: Hookers and blow for six two months.
3: Announce that the previous plan was unfair, so we we changed some things. However, the outcome shall remain unchanged.
4: ??
5: Profit!

These politicians are becoming trickier to read! :mad:
 

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The wireless Phone company situation is Canada is very SAD/embarrassing. Phone companies love it when people go over their minutes/MBytes. (HaHa - no sympathy for poverty or not being tech savy enough to monitor minutes - pay or shut down) My sense is it worse than in the US and the US is pretty bad. (for consumers) It is so sad that the phone companies can afford to have many many phone stores, and several brand names ( like Rogers owns Fido as I recall. )

Note: One kind of positive, Rogers wireless 3G internet is real fast. The downside is that with windows skype senses you have a fast connection and uses all sorts of bandwidth, making skype unusable. With Linux, skype fortunately isn't that "smart." ( At least that was my experience last July/August )
 

shabby

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3: Announce that the previous plan was unfair, so we we changed some things. However, the outcome shall remain unchanged.

Exactly its the same shit, its ubb for isp's basically.
And since the pricing now is basically going to be averaged between the lowest and highest users, the users who don't use any bandwidth will be subsidizing the heavy users... which is what bell originally said is happening now and the original ubb proposal is supposed to fix this issue. I hope the crtc simply shuts the door in bell's face for all this flip flopping, im sure the head of the crtc is tired of being grilled on bullshit that bell feeds him.
 

meltdown75

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i was under 25gb for both feb and march... i think no matter what they decide to do, i will always be under the cap. :)
 

Red Squirrel

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Thankfully we don't have caps on home internet, but cellular is another story. Anything over 1GB and you're paying through the nose. There are some people grandfathered on really old plans that are unlimited but they don't offer those plans anymore and if they try to change their phone or make any changes to their plan they will lose it. I'm on a 500MB pay as you go plan but since I have it setup on auto pay I get another 500MB bonus. I don't really use data for anything on my cell but it's nice to have if I need to look something up or what not and I'm not home. It's also needed if you want to send pictures via text. It does not use your cap but still uses the data. Tried to go without it once and realized how limiting it was because of that.
 
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Shmee

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I think both our 5G family plan and the Fiber are unlimited, through AT&T. Or so they say.
 

sdifox

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Thankfully we don't have caps on home internet, but cellular is another story. Anything over 1GB and you're paying through the nose. There are some people grandfathered on really old plans that are unlimited but they don't offer those plans anymore and if they try to change their phone or make any changes to their plan they will lose it. I'm on a 500MB pay as you go plan but since I have it setup on auto pay I get another 500GB bonus. I don't really use data for anything on my cell but it's nice to have if I need to look something up or what not and I'm not home. It's also needed if you want to send pictures via text. It does not use your cap but still uses the data. Tried to go without it once and realized how limiting it was because of that.

One GB? Seriously? What year is this?
 

SKORPI0

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Thread from 2011...
I very well aware that this thread is a necro. :rolleyes: ;) Just comparing how tech obviously has vastly improved.

IT techs would put their most useful apps on them and hang it on the belt loop as a showoff.
 
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lxskllr

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I use a walmart prepaid as my home internet. 30GB hotspot, and everything else is "unlimited" for $55/month taxes and everything. They don't have anything like that in CA?
 

Red Squirrel

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Not that cheap. Though it does look like the plans have gotten better since last time I checked.


$117/mo pre tax (so around $133) will get you 100GB which is their highest package. Looks like they actually offer unlimited now too, where once you go over the cap it throttles you instead of overcharging.
 

IBMJunkman

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My Cox plan in Nevada has a 1.2TB limit. 250/10. Last billing period I used a bit over 500GB. I use Prime and Netflix 3-4 times a week. And YouTube at least 4 hours a day. I be retired. :)
 
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