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The ASUS VivoTab Note 8 (32GB) is now on sale at the Canadian Microsoft Store for $369 CAD.

The Dell Venue 8 Pro (32GB) is $100 CAD less ($269 CAD at Best Buy Canada).
 
"The pressure for 64-bit, even in tablets that might not have 4GB of DRAM"

hopefully this means tablets with 3GB of ram, for 2GB I always had a better experience using x86 OS.
 
Some updates about Intel's plans for the Atom line:

When Mobile World Congress kicks off in Barcelona next week, Intel will be launching two processors for tablets and smartphones under its Merrifield brand which uses the Silvermont architecture. One of these chips will be geared towards Android Tablets, while the other is a 64-bit variant of Bay Trail-T.

A month later, in March, Intel will roll out a refresh of its Bay Trail-M processor.
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New Bay Trail-T and Bay Trail-M models soon, big focus on 64-bit support.

To close the year Intel will launch the Airmont architecture using the 14nm process node. The first product on this will be a Cherry Trail SoC.
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Cherry Trail launching in Q4. At this point it wouldnt surprise me if this was the first 14nm chip available from Intel. I bet they want Broxton out as soon as possible in 2015, so Cherry Trail might be a short-lived product compared to Bay Trail.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/whats-intel-planning-2014/72100.html
 
Nothingness said:
Ridiculous statement from VR Zone: all Bay Trail have always supported 64-bit, there's no need for a new variant just for that.
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Yes, but there was no x64 Windows 8.1 with connected standby ready for Bay Trail-T last year and I bet they delayed Bay Trail's Android launch after Apple's 64-bit A7 announcement just to beat the ARM crowd in the 64-bit Android race.

If I had to guess, Cherry Trail will come in Android flavours not too long after Windows in Q4, unlike Bay Trail.
 
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Computer Bottleneck said:
So far the four consumer Bay Trail Mini-ITX we have seen (ECS BAT-I(V1.0), Biostar J1800NM, MSI J1800I, Gigabyte J1800N-D2H) have S0-DIMM slots.

The ECS BAT-TI, listed in the Tom's link here, also has SO-DIMM.

I just wonder if ECS BAT-I2(V1.0) ends having DIMM slots?
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Another consumer Bay Trail-D Mini-ITX added by Gigabyte, the GA-J1800N-D2P--> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4895#sp

Major difference I see between this and the Gigabyte J1800N-D2H is removal of the PCI-E x1 and MiniPCI-E slots and the addition of a PCI slot. There is also a parallel port added to the rear I/O of the GA-J1800N-D2P at the expense of three usb 2.0 ports.
 
Sweepr said:
Yes, but there was no x64 Windows 8.1 with connected standby ready for Bay Trail-T last year and I bet they delayed Bay Trail's Android launch after Apple's 64-bit A7 announcement just to beat the ARM crowd in the 64-bit Android race.

If I had to guess, Cherry Trail will come in Android flavours not too long after Windows in Q4, unlike Bay Trail.
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Now I'm lost, I hadn't properly read the VR Zone article you linked.

On the second slide, why would Intel feel the need to explicitly state 64-bit for Z3795 and omit it for all other SKUs? They can't be stupid enough to fuse off 64-bit support from all other SKus 😵
 
Another Bay Trail Mini-ITX, the J1900N-D3V by Gigabyte:

http://www.fanlesstech.com/2014/02/quad-core-bay-trail-goodness.html

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4918#sp

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J1900 quad core
two SO-DIMM slots
two 3 Gbps SATA ports
dual Gigabit LAN
Mini PCI-E
PCI
DVI-D
D-SUB
four usb 3.0 on the rear panel
two serial ports on the rear panel

This brings the total number of consumer Bay Trail Mini-ITX up eight:

Gigabyte GA-J1800N-D2H http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4881#ov
Gigabyte GA-J1800N-D2P http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4895#sp
Gigabyte GA-J1900N-D3V http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4918#sp
MSI J1800I http://us.msi.com/product/mb/J1800I_.html
Biostar J1800NM http://www.biostar-usa.com/app/en-us/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=688
ECS BAT-I(V1.0) http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Pr...goryID=1&DetailName=Feature&MenuID=17&LanID=0
ECS BAT-I2(V1.0) (No longer listed on the website, but did say Coming Soon not so long ago)
ECS BAT-TI --> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ecs-v20-mini-lake-bat-i-v20,25679.html
 
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Nothingness said:
Now I'm lost, I hadn't properly read the VR Zone article you linked.

On the second slide, why would Intel feel the need to explicitly state 64-bit for Z3795 and omit it for all other SKUs? They can't be stupid enough to fuse off 64-bit support from all other SKus 😵
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I doubt they would do this. 64-bit support from low-end to high-end models could be a major selling point for Bay Trail in the Android space.

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Heres the new roadmap for those who haven't seen it. There's new models for both Windows and Android tablets. There were speculations about some of them like Z3735F & Z3735G targeted at $99-199 Android tablet but there's also previously unheard models.
Z3795 should be the new fastest model till Cherry Trail-T arrives in November. Anybody wants to guess the clockspeed?

Also, here's something curious. Bay Trail scores @ 3DMark have improved quite a bit since last year. Right now the Dell Venue 11 Pro (Z3770) scores 15.800 points. Quick comparison:

- Lumia 2520 (Snapdragon 800): 16.0k
- Apple iPad Air (Apple A7): 15.1k
- Microsoft Surface 2 (Tegra 4): 14.0k

Now if Bay Trail-T can do this with 4 EUs (Gen 7), lets see what Cherry Trail-T will be able to do with 16 EUs (Gen 8) later this year. 🙂
 
@IntelUser2000 - if I were to believe what ur saying, I think that gives us a tidbit of what changes we can see in this years products refreshes. surface pro cud be going fanless
 
I do not think they'll go fanless version, aka "Y". At 4.5W TDP, not even 14nm is going to offer better performance than 22nm 15W U chips.

Based on specs of Cherry Trail, it'll probably be little better graphics performance(20%?) and much better single threaded performance(similar multi-threaded).
 
4.5TDP broadwell will not perform as much as a 15W haswell. but it gives MS a great selling point and they shud accept the minor regression in performance
 
Sweepr said:
I doubt they would do this. 64-bit support from low-end to high-end models could be a major selling point for Bay Trail in the Android space.
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I doubt it too, but given recent Intel stupidity with segmentation...

Z3795 should be the new fastest model till Cherry Trail-T arrives in November. Anybody wants to guess the clockspeed?
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it looks like turbo clock didn't change but base clock is slightly higher: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/418289?baseline=406668
 
2014 Dell Tablet Roadmap

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Venue 7 and Venue 8 will probably get a Bay Trail refresh (right now they are Clover Trail-based) in Q2. Then there's Venue 11 Pro 64-bit, probably running an updated Z3795 chip.
Succesors to current versions of the Venue 11 Pro (Bay Trail & Haswell-Y) launch in Q3. According to the latest leaked roadmap Cherry Trail-T only comes in November, but they could launch a Broadwell-Y version in Q3.

http://translate.google.com.br/tran...ws-8-1-e-processori-broadwell-e-cherry-trail/

I hope Dell releases a $299 Dell Venue 8 Pro ''2'' 32GB/64GB running Cherry Trail-T later this year. Full HD IPS screen wouldnt hurt this time. 🙂
 
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it has to. considering its releasing in november time frame, intel doesnt have time to spends another few months just to make android work
 
witeken said:
Cherry Trail will support Android at launch.

A Tale of Intel’s Cherry Trail
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And Bay Trail tablets running Android will be available by end of 2013: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6936/...cture-revealed-getting-serious-about-mobile/6

I won't spend time linking again Intel CEO claim about Android tablets being available for '13 holiday season.

That's no to say Cherry Trail will again miss the target (I bet they won't but can't be sure), just that Intel has not been very reliable in its mobile claims and trusting blindly them seems naive.
 
witeken said:
But Android Bay Trail was a software issue. Once 64bit Android is ready (which it is), there won't be any problems to release an Android tablet with any SoC.
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Yes, that's why I *think* this time we'll have Android along with Windows. But again my point is just that I have a very hard time trusting Intel lately, so I'll wait for devices.

I also wonder why we keep on seeing poor Clover Trail based tablets being released now, so why not a 32-bit BT one which could be upgraded to 64-bit later?
 
The first "64-bit" Bay Trail-T tablets:

HP ProPad 600 [no word on pricing - April release]

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HP ElitePad 1000 [$739 - March release]

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More information can be found here.
 
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