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ECS V20: ''Bay Trail-D'' All-In-One PC

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http://www.minimachines.net/actu/ec...l-bay-trail-d-aux-faux-airs-de-tablette-14565

Microsoft Slashes Windows 8.1 Tablet Prices

www.informationweek.com/mobile/mobi...ashes-windows-81-tablet-prices/d/d-id/1113650

Computer Bottleneck said:
Intel NUC Kit DN2820FYKH:

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-board-dn2820fykh.html

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Pretty nice and cheap NUC. I wish they'd chosen a quad-core model though, but perhaps that would hurt the sales of more expensive models.
 
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Sweepr said:
Pretty nice and cheap NUC. I wish they'd chosen a quad-core model though, but perhaps that would hurt the sales of more expensive models.
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I only wish the Bay Trail NUC was cheaper. For $139 a person gets a N2820 processor and included Wifi Card, but the user still needs to add in the RAM, 2.5" HDD/SSD and operating system.

Spec'd with a 500GB 2.5" HDD, 4GB RAM, and Windows 8.1 the price works out to be about ~$50 more the similarly spec'd N2820 laptop below:

ninaholic37 said:
Here's a Toshiba 15.6" Celeron N2820 (Bay Trail-M) for $280:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/satellit...&skuId=3325502
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Not only that the NUC only has one SATA port, while the laptop has two. The laptop also has more video outputs (HDMI and VGA) vs. the NUC (which only has HDMI).

A saving grace for the NUC is that the DIY Windows 8.1 license is reusable, unlike the Windows License on the laptop....which is tied to the machine.
 
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Intel To Retire Some Bay Trail and Ivy Bridge Processors

Intel Corp. has kicked off February by informing partners (and anyone interested) about the discontinuance schedule of nine products including two Ivy Bridge mobile processors - the Core i7-3840QM (2.8 GHz) and i7-3740QM (2.7 GHz), and seven Bay Trail-based SoCs - the Pentium N3510 (2.0 GHz) and J2850 (2.41 GHz) and the Celeron N2910 (1.6 GHz), N2810 (2.0 GHz), N2805 (1.46 GHz), J1850 (2.0 GHz) and J1750 (2.41 GHz).

The Pentium N3510, J2850 and Celeron N2910 are the first to go as they will only be available for orders until February 21st and will continue shipping until April 25th. The rest are set to survive quite a bit longer, their last order date being August 22nd, while shipments won't end until February 6th, 2015.
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What the hell ?? already EOL ??? those SoCs were released in Q3 2013.
 
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Nothingness said:
$56? So Intel is also subsidizing the use of Bay Trail on non-mobile platforms?
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It's a tiny motherboard with a small passive heatsink, no chipset to cool with a second heatsink, only one SODIMM socket, a tiny PCIe x1 port, and 2 SATA ports, and a pretty miserly array of rear panel ports. Not to mention it only has a cut down dual-core processor. I'm not surprised it's that cheap.
 
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NTMBK said:
It's a tiny motherboard with a small passive heatsink, no chipset to cool with a second heatsink, only one SODIMM socket, a tiny PCIe x1 port, and 2 SATA ports, and a pretty miserly array of rear panel ports. Not to mention it only has a cut down dual-core processor. I'm not surprised it's that cheap.
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How much do you think the board costs then? Do you really think the 13 connectors on the back panel represent a "miserly array"? How much benefit for Biostar, how much for the seller? There perhaps is no subsidy as for mobile BT, but Intel probably set the price extremely low on this CPU model (I bet <$10).
 
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Nothingness said:
How much do you think the board costs then? Do you really think the 13 connectors on the back panel represent a "miserly array"? How much benefit for Biostar, how much for the seller? There perhaps is no subsidy as for mobile BT, but Intel probably set the price extremely low on this CPU model (I bet <$10).
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Well yes, it's the junk CPUs which were too hot for tablets and only had two functional cores...
 
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So far the four consumer Bay Trail Mini-ITX we have seen (ECS BAT-I(V1.0), Biostar J1800NM, MSI J1800I, Gigabyte J1800N-D2H) have S0-DIMM slots.

The ECS BAT-TI, listed in the Tom's link here, also has SO-DIMM.

I just wonder if ECS BAT-I2(V1.0) ends having DIMM slots?
 
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NTMBK said:
What is different about them? As far as I was aware, they are the same silicon.
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die size is not the same, the tablet ones does not have sata controllers for example.

The MOBILE and DESKTOP parts are the same, and all are named Pentium and Celeron, the ones named Atom are different.
 
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Shivansps said:
die size is not the same, the tablet ones does not have sata controllers for example.
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Do you have any links?

P.S. I know Intel Ark lists the package size being different between Bay Trail-T (17mm x 17mm) and Bay Trail-M/Bay Trail-D (25mm x 27mm).
 
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Shivansps said:
die size is not the same, the tablet ones does not have sata controllers for example.

The MOBILE and DESKTOP parts are the same, and all are named Pentium and Celeron, the ones named Atom are different.
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Tablet also doesn't have pcie. The packages are different and are considerably different sizes. They wouldn't be interchangeable.
 
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kimmel said:
Tablet also doesn't have pcie. The packages are different and are considerably different sizes. They wouldn't be interchangeable.
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I am wondering if it's not only the package and the fused parts that make the chips different; I mean it's possible the masks are the same. Do we have information or die-shot that prove it's not the case?
 
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no way, it makes no sence at all to fuse out PCI-E and SATA just to reduce package size for the lulz.

All the pdf and slides and even ark says its diferent die size and package, says its diferent die size, why im not going to belive it?

About the pci-e, btw, what are the wifi cards used on the T100 and others?
 
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Shivansps said:
no way, it makes no sence at all to fuse out PCI-E and SATA just to reduce package size for the lulz.
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Fusing off components wouldn't actually reduce the package size. Fused off components are still on die, they're just disabled.
 
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Shivansps said:
no way, it makes no sence at all to fuse out PCI-E and SATA just to reduce package size for the lulz.

All the pdf and slides and even ark says its diferent die size and package, says its diferent die size, why im not going to belive it?
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Can you provide links that state die sizes for the various Intel BT chips?
 
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Yeah i got it confused with package size, i was under the impression that die size was on there too, sorry.
 
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