The Intel Atom Thread

Homeles · Dec 30, 2013

SiliconWars said:
There's no way these prices are even remotely true, how can they be? I wonder where these numbers come from.

CPU world has been pretty accurate, from what I've seen. But who knows.

Arachnotronic · Dec 31, 2013

Homeles said:
CPU world has been pretty accurate, from what I've seen. But who knows.

http://www.intc.com/priceList.cfm

mikk · Dec 31, 2013

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Toshiba-Satellite-NB10t-A-101-Netbook.107890.0.html

Celeron N2810 Bay Trail netbook.

seitur · Jan 1, 2014

jpiniero said:
Intel's going to (try to) upsell Atom into the Celeron and Pentium brands. It might even completely replace Core in it. Now those chips would be tiny, and if they could actually get $100 for it, that would be decent margins for Intel.

Nuking cheap Core processors and replacing them completly with small cores?
This would be great present for ARM CPU producers (and to some degree to AMD) from Intel.

ShintaiDK · Jan 1, 2014

AMD wants the same, 70$ and up for a Kabini desktop quadcore.

But since Intel consinues with Celeron of the big core, it looks like a low TDP alternative. Haswell Celerons coming here in early Q1. Already on sales at different places.

seitur · Jan 1, 2014

Yes and AMD would not have ability to capitalize much on Intel abandonment of cheap big cores via their small cores obviously.

AMD Product that would benefit mostly from it would be cheap "big" dual core APUs, which start at ~50$.

jpiniero · Jan 1, 2014

seitur said:
Nuking cheap Core processors and replacing them completly with small cores?
This would be great present for ARM CPU producers (and to some degree to AMD) from Intel.

Well, up to this point there hasn't been much in the way of ARM laptops and desktops except for the Chromebooks. Maybe that will change at some point, but this is a market that Intel has to itself for the time being.

North01 · Jan 2, 2014

ASUS VivoTab Note 8 E-Manual (M80T Series)

beginner99 · Jan 2, 2014

seitur said:
Nuking cheap Core processors and replacing them completly with small cores?
This would be great present for ARM CPU producers (and to some degree to AMD) from Intel.

Why? does core-pentiums and celerons usually suck (eg. the low bins, high TDP compared to their performance) and in that market performance doesn't matter that much.

SPBHM · Jan 2, 2014

beginner99 said:
Why? does core-pentiums and celerons usually suck (eg. the low bins, high TDP compared to their performance) and in that market performance doesn't matter that much.

if you look to the N2810 review a few posts back, it's impossible to say sandy/ivy Celerons are bad, you have plenty of 15W ivy bridge Celerons with decent clock and MUCH higher performance, the TDP is never to high, even if you take a 35W one, it's not much slower than some other more expensive 35w CPUs,

and for cheap laptops, I don't know, TDP is not a big deal for the user, specially if they use inferior batteries (common practice when they have access to lower TDP CPUs, like the N2810 netbook review shows),

Sweepr · Jan 4, 2014

Lots of Bay Trail-T goodness coming from ASUS

Lonbjerg · Jan 4, 2014

Clicked the first video...the low FPS/stutter hurt my eyes...

kimmel · Jan 4, 2014

Pretty amazing device and driver stack that enables all of those to run and quite a few with pretty high settings. Leagues away from the crippled and feature incomplete drivers of other mobile devices.

North01 · Jan 5, 2014

ThinkPad 8 ($399 starting):

thinkpad82014-01-05%2007.14.37matsmith600.jpg

- Windows 8.1
- Microsoft Office Home & Student 2013
- 8.3-inch 1920x1200 ISP display
- Intel Atom Z3770
- 2GB LPDDR3 1067
- Aluminium chassis
- up to 128GB memory
- micro-HDMI
- micro USB 3.0
- micro SD
- Stereo speakers
- Dual array digital mic
- Rear: 8MP camera with auto focus and flash
- Front: 2MP camera
- 8 hour battery (20.5Whr)
- Optional 4G LTE
- 132 mm x 224.3mm x 8.8mm
- 430g (WiFi), 439g (LTE)

Only thing missing is an active digitizer / stylus support.

blackened23 · Jan 5, 2014

Oh baby. The thinkpad 8 is pretty sexy.....

Sweepr · Jan 5, 2014

North01 said:
Thinkpad Tablet 8 ($399 starting):

- 8.3 inch 1920x1080 ISP display
- Intel Atom Z3770
- 2GB LPDDR3
- Aluminium chassis
- up to 128GB memory
- micro-HDMI
- 8MP camera
- Optional 4G

Wow, finally an 8'' Bay Trail-T based tablet with 1080p screen. Also Z3770 instead of Z3740 (+25% extra CPU performance), micro-HDMI out and aluminium chassis, great specs.

Engadget said:
Sure, fingerprints are visible on the tablet's satin finish, but Lenovo's prior tablets weren't nearly as slick -- in fact, we'd go so far as to say that this feels as premium as the company's flagship Ultrabooks.

The Verge said:
Lenovos new ThinkPad 8 is the best Windows alternative to the iPad mini Retina

Homeles · Jan 5, 2014

Wow, that looks really nice.

North01 · Jan 5, 2014

Sweepr said:
Wow, finally an 8'' Bay Trail-T based tablet with 1080p screen. Also Z3770 instead of Z3740 (+25% extra CPU performance), micro-HDMI out and aluminium chassis, great specs.

Actually, the display is 1920x1200 (I made a change to my original post). Some of the news sources had their specifications wrong or incomplete.

After noticing that, I checked Lenovo's official press release.

Specifications PDF Link

North01 · Jan 5, 2014

Lenovo Miix 2 10 ($499 starting price [keyboard dock included])

A 10.1 inch Bay Trail 2-in-1.

*Waiting on Lenovo's press release with official specifications*

liahos1 · Jan 6, 2014

Sweepr said:
Wow, finally an 8'' Bay Trail-T based tablet with 1080p screen. Also Z3770 instead of Z3740 (+25% extra CPU performance), micro-HDMI out and aluminium chassis, great specs.

this looks amazing. i just question no stylus support. but otherwise is the dream tablet ive been looking for.

Sweepr · Jan 6, 2014

North01 said:
Lenovo Miix 2 10 ($499 starting price [keyboard dock included])

A 10.1 inch Bay Trail 2-in-1.

*Waiting on Lenovo's press release with official specifications*

Found this: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Lenovo-Miix-2-10_id8266

I prefer 2-in-1s like the T100 to tablets (with no keyboard option or keyboard not included). This new Lenovo models looks like a great option for those looking for something like the T100 but with +1080p screen (1920x1200 IPS) and better built quality. $499 Surface 2 (Windows RT, no keyboard) suddenly looks extremely overpriced.

Sweepr · Jan 6, 2014

There were some discussions about Bay Trail-T vs A4-1200 (AMD's current solution for fanless tablets) CPU performance, graphics performance and battery life a few pages back. Thanks to NotebookCheck.net we finally have a few tests:

NotebookCheck.net said:
MSI W20-A421 tablet review (AMD ''Temash'' A4-1200)

MSI, it won't work. The manufacturer was too late in bringing their W20 to the market. The A4-1200 should have competed with the Cloverview Atom, which until recently would have been a good match in terms of price as well. Now Intel's quad-core Bay Trail Atom is showing up in tablets for the first time. This new generation isn't just faster; it's cheaper too. The new Atom tablets are available starting at 400 Euros ($550). The W20 with its sluggard A4-1200 (800 instead of 1000 MHz) just can't keep up with the new Bay Trail processors. Benchmarks aside, we were appalled by how lethargic a Windows 8 tablet can feel. We never experienced such a weak performance even with Cloverview dual-core processors.

Gaming just isn't going to happen on the MSI tablet. Just the installation process takes an eternity, and some older titles wouldn't even start. The old Risen ran 151% faster on the Bay Trail Atom, but even then, 23 fps isn't enough to play the game fluidly.

WiFi Surfing: 7h 38min
Load (maximum brightness): 3h 40min

If long battery life is what MSI was going for this whole time with the APU's 600 MHz clock frequency, the manufacturer can enjoy some success here. Our test device's competitors, the Miix 10 (WLAN -28%, 5:29 hours) and the Transformer Book T100TA (WLAN +41%, 10:47 hours), hem the W20 in behind and before. In our WLAN test, a script loads a new website in the browser every 40 seconds, including some video content. The Transformer Book proves to have a longer battery life, even though it has a somewhat smaller battery capacity (30 Wh). The W20's battery has 34 Wh.

Power Comsumption
Idle
MSI W20-A421: 4.9W
Asus Transformer Book T100TA-C1-GR: 1.7W

Load Average
MSI W20-A421: 12.2W
Asus Transformer Book T100TA-C1-GR : 10.7W

Load Maximum
MSI W20-A421: 14.2W
Asus Transformer Book T100TA-C1-GR: 11.8W

In idle mode, we measured a relatively low energy consumption rate of 4.9 Watts on the mains side. But the Clover Trail processor's rate was lower (IdeaTab Miix 10, 1.8 Watts) and the Bay Trail's rate was even lower than that (Transformer Book, 1.7 Watts). Things look different in the stress test: At an energy consumption rate of 14.2 Watts, the MSI tablet is just plain wasteful. Because of its four cores, under this level of load the Bay Trail Asus needs considerably more energy than the Lenovo device with its Clover Trail Atom (8.7 vs. 11.8 Watts). Looking at the numbers, we can clearly see: The Intel systems manage a higher level of performance per Watt than the AMD APUs.

600 Euros (~$820) sounds a little too steep considering the tablet's (MSI W20) hardware and IPS panel, or no? Is there something we've overlooked? ...

Of the two competitors, we can only recommend the Asus Transformer Book T100TA-C1-GR. With its Bay Trail Atom processor, the Asus tablet's performance is substantially stronger, it has a docking keyboard, it runs longer and only costs 400 Euros to boot (~$550). You'll also get a good IPS panel and a full version of Office Home & Student. Except for the small amount of SSD storage space (32 GB; versions with more storage are available), we have nothing to complain about.

NotebookCheck.net said:
Toshiba Satellite W30Dt-A-100 convertible review (AMD ''Temash'' A4-1200)

Diablo III - 1024x768 Low / off
Toshiba Satellite W30Dt-A-100
16.5 fps
Asus Transformer Book T100TA-C1-GR
18.4 fps

Risen - 800x600 all off/low AF:0x
Toshiba Satellite W30Dt-A-100
21.6 fps
Asus Transformer Book T100TA-C1-GR
23.1 fps

PCMark 7 score
Toshiba Satellite W30Dt-A-100
1011
Asus Transformer Book T100TA-C1-GR
2339

Toshiba has bitten off more than it can chew: the ads claiming that the new W30Dt is a "High Performance tablet" with "true Power" and "Top Performance" have no basis. A quick look at the hardware performance reveals tha the A4-1200 of our test model is at the level of an Intel Cloverview Atom. The new quad-core Bay Trail is far more powerful in terms of performance per watt.

The Transformer-Book is also quite fast and offers a docking keyboard. Its Intel Atom Z3740 is fast and is more efficient than the A4-1200 APU of our Satellite W30Dt.

NotebookCheck.net said:
ASUS F102BA-DF047H netbook review (AMD ''Temash'' A4-1200)

Cinebench R10
Rendering Multiple CPUs 32Bit
Asus F102BA-DF047H
1095 Points
Asus Transformer Book T100TA-C1-GR
3334 Points

Rendering Single 32Bit
Asus F102BA-DF047H
658 Points
Asus Transformer Book T100TA-C1-GR
940 Points

PCMark7
Asus F102BA-DF047H
Lightweight: 617
Productivity: 314

Asus Transformer Book T100TA-C1-GR
Lightweight: 1258
Productivity: 983

The differences to the Medion can again be neglected; however, our Transformer Book clearly takes the lead in the comparison with the three devices. Compared with the Asus, its advantage is 42% during load and a high 136% in the Wi-Fi runtime test where it lasted for almost eleven hours.

Battery Runtime

Classic / Load
Asus F102BA-DF047H
180 min
Asus Transformer Book T100TA-C1-GR
256 min

DVD Blu-ray WLAN
Asus F102BA-DF047H
274 min
Asus Transformer Book T100TA-C1-GR
647 min

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-MSI-W20-A421-Tablet.108285.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-Satellite-W30Dt-A-100-Convertible.108306.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-F102BA-DF047H-Netbook.108428.0.html

NTMBK · Jan 6, 2014

Sweepr said:
Found this: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Lenovo-Miix-2-10_id8266

I prefer 2-in-1s like the T100 to tablets (with no keyboard option or keyboard not included). This new Lenovo models looks like a great option for those looking for something like the T100 but with +1080p screen (1920x1200 IPS) and better built quality. $499 Surface 2 (Windows RT, no keyboard) suddenly looks extremely overpriced.

The Dell Venue 11 Pro also has a 1080p screen, and the Bay Trail version is reasonably priced. Only problem is that the keyboard dock is sold separately.

Sweepr · Jan 6, 2014

Lenovo Yoga 2 11 ($529 Bay Trail convertible tablet) launching late February: http://liliputing.com/2014/01/hands-lenovo-yoga-2-11.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

A fanless system based on Bay Trail-M (4.5W SDP / 7.5W TDP), interesting. Additional TDP headroom (compared to Bay Trail-T) allows the Pentium N3510 to run 4 cores with 2GHz base clock, its iGPU is also a little bit faster than Z3770's (up to 750MHz vs up to 667MHz, ~12,5%).

bullzz · Jan 6, 2014

Transformer Book Duet TD300: World's first and only 4-in-1: Android Laptop, Windows Laptop, Windows Tablet and Android Tablet

lol this is getting crazy. just shove in a desktop and thats all the computing I will need for the next few years

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