The Intel Atom Thread

Discussion in 'CPUs and Overclocking' started by Sweepr, Sep 11, 2013.

  1. IntelUser2000

    IntelUser2000 Elite Member

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    Too bad it doesn't show memory configuration on GFXBench.

    The game test results and the ALU results are excellent but the texturing results are not.

    The results for the ALU seems to scale with EUs, but unless Broxton has 48EUs running 33% faster than Airmont GPU or so it doesn't make sense. The texturing result doesn't make sense if there's 48 EUs because then it should be comparable with Iris parts that have eDRAM, not be a fraction of it and be lower than Iris ones without eDRAM.

    The T-Rex results seem a strength for Gen 9 versus Gen 8 when also compared with Manhattan.
     
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  2. mikk

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    Broxton and Kabylake have a Gen9 derivate GPU, even though they differ a bit. Broxton has most likely a more advanced codec support, it can do HEVC 10 bit and VP9 decoding in hardware (Kabylake + VP9 10 bit). No infos if they are other changes beside that.
     
  3. mikk

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    This Broxton belongs to A0 stepping I think. Stepping 8 is referred to A0 and Bios version is the same like in this one:
    https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94123


    There is a B Stepping of Broxton.

    http://www.eenyhelp.com/patch-mfd-lpss-add-pci-ids-intel-broxton-b-step-platform-help-215923630.html


    Third variant of Broxton it seems.
    http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-spi/msg06955.html


    Another possibility is that Broxton comes with A-Stepping into the market initially and later a B-Stepping. Intel does a similar thing with Kabylake (no integrated HDCP 2.2 in the first ULV SKUs)
     
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  4. IntelUser2000

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    It could be:

    Broxton 1: PC
    Broxton 2: Smartphone/Tablet
    Broxton 3: IoT
     
  5. IntelUser2000

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    By the way, there should be. In the world of CPU, 10% is pretty good. In the world of GPUs though, even 25% sucks. Nevermind zero.

    I think with 14nm discrete GPUs coming Kabylake GT4e should be minimum 2x over Skylake GT4e. But Intel has been disappointing in quite a lot of places so perhaps it'll be the first time we see zero graphics gains.
     
  6. Sweepr

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    Well unfortunately for some of us, budget Windows tablet/convertible fans, Intel cancelled Broxton. Looking at the cost-savings promised for Apollo Lake, I don't get why they would cancel it so close to launch while keeping the (possibly more) expensive Cherry Trail on the market.

    Anyway, I would like to know your opinion on another subject. Could Apollo Lake be a viable alternative to Broxton for larger >9'' Windows convertibles and maybe tablets?

    Here's some Braswell-based systems:

    - Acer Convertible Chromebook R11, 11.6-inch HD Touchscreen Notebook, White (CB5-132T-C32M)
    www.amazon.com/Acer-Convertible-Chr...2T-C32M/dp/B0161DGXIC/ref=zg_bs_13896609011_6
    - Acer Aspire R 11 R3-131T-P7HA 11.6" Signature Edition Laptop, Windows 10 - Sky Blue
    www.amazon.com/Acer-R3-131T-P7HA-Signature-Edition-Windows/dp/B014LGK1P2/ref=zg_bs_13896609011_16
    - ASUS Transformer Book Flip TP200SA 11.6-inch 2-in-1 Touchscreen Laptop (Intel Braswell Dual Core N3050 1.6GHz, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD , Windows 10 Pre-installed)
    http://www.amazon.com/Transformer-1...talled/dp/B014854RBK/ref=zg_bs_13896609011_17
    - Dell Inspiron i3000-10099SLV 11.6 Inch Touchscreen 2-in-1 Laptop (Intel Pentium, 4 GB RAM, 500 GB HDD, Moonlight Silver)
    http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron...nlight/dp/B019TTJ418/ref=zg_bs_13896609011_30
    - 2016 Newest Lenovo Flex 3 2-in-1 11.6 inch HD Touch-Screen Convertible Laptop ( Intel Celeron processor N3050, 4GB, 500GB HDD, No DVD, Bluetooth, Webcam, WiFi, HDMI, Windows 10 ) - Black
    http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Flex-T...cessor/dp/B01AYHQT76/ref=zg_bs_13896609011_56
    - HP Pavilion 11-k161nr Convertible Laptop Intel Pentium N3700 (1.6 GHz) 500 GB HDD Intel HD Graphics Shared memory 11.6" Touchscreen Windows 10 Home
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834264255

    As a side note:

    *A little over $400 already buys a Core M tablet. Not Cherry Trail 'cheap' and definitely larger devices, but generally higher-quality as well.
     
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    Sure, Apollo Lake is targeted at cheap PCs, and low cost 11.6" convertibles fit the bill.

    It's iPad-like pure tablets that Broxton was probably aimed at.
     
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    Lol, crazy, Aicha Adams apparently has now said 2 years (2 MWCs) in a row that she her job at Intel is on the line if she doesn't deliver.

    Hope at the next MWC she says she has to deliver 14nm modems or get fired. FFS, Infineon was acquired in 2011 IIRC.

    Do your internal sources have any comments about that, Arachnotronic?
     
  9. ehume

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    Ooh. Ouch. According to this, the future of Apollo Lake is questionable. But this is reassuring:
    Source.
    That means the HP Stream will get an upgrade. Good.
     
  10. Sweepr

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    Nice find ehume, this means phones are the main victims of the Broxton cancellation. Bay Trail/Cherry Trail remains the option for cheap chinese tablets, while Apollo Lake finds its way to larger yet still affordable tablets/convertibles and premium (>$400) devices get Core M.
     
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  11. Sweepr

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    Intel: Apollo Lake will be offered to tablet consumers

    https://twitter.com/RyanSmithAT/status/727296885459816448
     
  12. Nothingness

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    The second tweet is odd: Apollo Lake will obviously have more CPU performance thanks to the new core.
     
  13. TeknoBug

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    Saw 2 Intel compute sticks with M3 and M5 Core M's for $499 CAD and $699 CAD, holy christ!
     
  14. bhtooefr

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    Willow Trail (the tablet Broxton part) would have had the same new core.

    And, the new core doesn't always have more performance. Williamette, early Prescott, and Bulldozer, anyone?
     
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    Ah, I miserably fail at knowing exactly what is what... I'll put the blame on Intel silly names :D

    Geekbench of Broxton ES has shown some speedup over Airmont based chips. Disappointing against ARM cores, but still better than previous Atom.
     
  16. Shivansps

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    Apollo Lake will consist in several dual cores, we all know how that will turn out, thats the thing with the old tablet Atom, they where all quads.

    So a Z8300/Z8350 will probably be reemplaced by a dual core Apollo Lake, at both higher cost and less battery.
     
  17. Sweepr

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    Apollo Lake is a quad-core. I expect both 2C and 4C SKUs inside the new tablets.

    [​IMG]
     
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    What do you prefer? Z8300 or N3000/N3050?

    The thing with the tablet variant was to cut unussed pins, reduce power by disabling things that tablet does not need, and they where all quads... now we must assume that most Cherry Trails will be reeplaced by dual core skus.
     
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    I just ordered a BOXNUC5PPYH with the N3700. I'm interested to see how it performs :)
     
  20. ksec

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    I have always thought Goldmont / Broxton was going to offer Office PC a good run for money. However I just did a Geekbench on our old Office PC, which has a 45nm Penyrn installed. The results were similar to Broxton in single core benchmarks. But Broxton had 4 core, so I took a Core 2 Quad Q8300, running with 200Mhz advantage.

    https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/6555658?baseline=6034406

    Assuming the % of Mhz were involved, both would have had similar performance. But Broxton had the advantage of much more recent instruction set to achieve this!

    We dont have a Core 2 Quad to test in office, but when we installed a new Plextor M7V SSD on the Office PC ( Core 2 Duo ), running handicapped SATA 3Gbps, it was obvious the bottleneck moved from I/O to CPU. We see "some" CPU spike during the work load. Comparing to a newer Office PC with SandyBridge with the same Plextor M7V SSD, it was very rare we see peak spikes. Obviously the SandyBridge had 2C4T while Core 2 Duo only had 2C2T.

    I was hoping Broxton would be closer to Sandy Bridge or Nehalem.
     
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    But seems that the era of the cheap laptop and convertible is about to end... Maybe is good since we will see Core Pentium and Celeron again and why not? The return of AMD on that segment.
     
  22. Sweepr

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    First Apollo Lake design win. :)

    Latest ECS LIVA mini-PCs include Apollo Lake, Intel vPro models

    [​IMG]

    http://liliputing.com/2016/06/latest-ecs-liva-mini-pcs-include-apollo-lake-intel-vpro-models.html
     
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    [​IMG]

    CPU performance is up by 30%, but no mention of tablets yet.
     
  24. Sweepr

    Sweepr Diamond Member

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    These are the new Apollo Lake based models, according to CPU-World:

    Celeron J3355 - FH8066802986000 SR2YC
    Celeron J3455 - FH8066802986102 SR2YD
    Celeron N3450 - FH8066802979803 SR2YA
    Celeron N3350 - FH8066802980002 SR2YB
    Pentium J4205 - FH8066802986200 SR2YE
    Pentium N4200 - FH8066802979703 SR2Y9
     
  25. Sweepr

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    Microsoft Confirms Surface 3 Production To End In December

    [​IMG]

    www.anandtech.com/show/10442/microsoft-confirms-surface-3-production-to-end-in-december

    http://liliputing.com/2016/06/microsofts-low-power-surface-3-tablet-way.html

    This puts the future of the Surface line in doubt.

    - Will they discontinue their cheaper tablet line?
    - Will they replace it with a faster Cherry Trail SoC (Atom x7-Z8750 or another)?
    - Is an Apollo Lake Surface on the cards? Can they design a sleek, fanless tablet based on a 6W Pentium N4200?
    - Would 3rd Gen Celeron/Pentium Core M (Kaby Lake-Y) be an option, starting at $499?