The Inquirer reports clocks for R520XT

[Matt2]

I dont know if "competing well" with limited numbers is gonn aget the job done this time.

16 pipes and 600/1400 isnt as impressive as I had expected. If Nvidia has the G70 Ultra ready, this could be real one sided.

 

[blckgrffn]

I still think that 16x2 would be cool and I can't think of what else "Extreme" pipes might mean...

 

[Wreckage]

IT LOOKS like ATI will launch a card with limited availability one more time. ATI did it last time with the X800XT Platinum (Phantom or Press) edition and it looks like it is going to play on that card again.

Sounds like another paper launch....

I was hoping that after the successful launch of the GTX and then the GT. ATI would release there flagship card with wide spread availability and on the same day as they announce it.

I would be careful ordering one of these as it could takes weeks to get it even after the launch date (much like the X800XT Platinum).

 

[ronnn]

Looks like my new card is about to go from mid range to low end. Good news for all that we are finally getting close to seeing the new line up from Ati.

 

[DRavisher]

Well I guess it is obvious that if 600MHz for the Phantom Edition is correct, then ATi must have pulled a major pipe out of the hat, considering that the pipes of the R400 series were weaker / MHz than the NV40s, and G70 has 24 pipes that are quite a bit more powerful than the NV40 pipes / MHz. The pipes that ATi are using would have to be pretty extreme, especially if NV has a 500MHz+ 7800Ultra to release. We'll see if ATi is the magical, neverbadproduct company the fanbois think they are. As Rollo keeps saying, and the fanbois keep ignoring, is that ATi have yet to make more than one good design (the R300 -> R400), and they didn't even make that one in house (i'll bet the original ATi engineers had little to do with that. It was ArtX guys all tha way). ATi took nvidia by surprise with that one, and the true answer to the new rival will be G80 in my mind at least.

And I do admit that I want to see the fanbois proven wrong here. Its been a while since I saw anyone with such unwavering support for a company.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I dont know if "competing well" with limited numbers is gonn aget the job done this time.

16 pipes and 600/1400 isnt as impressive as I had expected. If Nvidia has the G70 Ultra ready, this could be real one sided.

But dont forget that these are just rumors at this point, we still havent gotten the official specs, either for the r520 or the g70 ultra. In fact, I'm not so worried about the performance of the r520 as much as I'm disapointed than this might be another paper launch, when NV has successfully pulled of a real launch.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: DRavisher
Well I guess it is obvious that if 600MHz for the Phantom Edition is correct, then ATi must have pulled a major pipe out of the hat, considering that the pipes of the R400 series were weaker / MHz than the NV40s, and G70 has 24 pipes that are quite a bit more powerful than the NV40 pipes / MHz. The pipes that ATi are using would have to be pretty extreme, especially if NV has a 500MHz+ 7800Ultra to release. We'll see if ATi is the magical, neverbadproduct company the fanbois think they are. As Rollo keeps saying, and the fanbois keep ignoring, is that ATi have yet to make more than one good design (the R300 -> R400), and they didn't even make that one in house (i'll bet the original ATi engineers had little to do with that. It was ArtX guys all tha way). ATi took nvidia by surprise with that one, and the true answer to the new rival will be G80 in my mind at least.

And I do admit that I want to see the fanbois proven wrong here. Its been a while since I saw anyone with such unwavering support for a company.

Are you trying to say you're not a fanboi? Cuz it sure looks like you are, you're just swinging the other way

 

[DRavisher]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: DRavisher
Well I guess it is obvious that if 600MHz for the Phantom Edition is correct, then ATi must have pulled a major pipe out of the hat, considering that the pipes of the R400 series were weaker / MHz than the NV40s, and G70 has 24 pipes that are quite a bit more powerful than the NV40 pipes / MHz. The pipes that ATi are using would have to be pretty extreme, especially if NV has a 500MHz+ 7800Ultra to release. We'll see if ATi is the magical, neverbadproduct company the fanbois think they are. As Rollo keeps saying, and the fanbois keep ignoring, is that ATi have yet to make more than one good design (the R300 -> R400), and they didn't even make that one in house (i'll bet the original ATi engineers had little to do with that. It was ArtX guys all tha way). ATi took nvidia by surprise with that one, and the true answer to the new rival will be G80 in my mind at least.

And I do admit that I want to see the fanbois proven wrong here. Its been a while since I saw anyone with such unwavering support for a company.

Are you trying to say you're not a fanboi? Cuz it sure looks like you are, you're just swinging the other way

What gave me away? The "And I do admit that I want to see the fanbois proven wrong here. Its been a while since I saw anyone with such unwavering support for a company." thing

Yes, I am an nvidia fanboi. But I did actually think that ATi would get this round with the R520 before the G70 was released, but now I don't think so.

 

[Elfear]

I'd just like to see some more performance come to the table. I don't really care who brings it. I'm still holding my breath for the R520 to be the uber card enthusiasts are hoping for. Truth be told, I'm not all that impressed with the performance of my 7800GTX over my X850XT PE. When both are oced, they are very nearly equal in the games I play (HL2, FarCry, etc.), with the X850 even trumping the 7800 in some levels. FarCry especially needs some more GPU power that I was expecting to get from the 7800 series (I'm not talking SLI'd 7800 series since I don't have $1100 to spend for graphics cards nor, I imagine, do 99.9% of the gamers out there). Some games do show a nice improvement from the reviews I've seen but not as many as I was hoping for.

For enthusiast's sake, I hope the R520 is a monster.

 

[Hacp]

Chill guys, the R520 XLs still might launch on september 15th.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Elfear
I'd just like to see some more performance come to the table. I don't really care who brings it. I'm still holding my breath for the R520 to be the uber card enthusiasts are hoping for. Truth be told, I'm not all that impressed with the performance of my 7800GTX over my X850XT PE. When both are oced, they are very nearly equal in the games I play (HL2, FarCry, etc.), with the X850 even trumping the 7800 in some levels. FarCry especially needs some more GPU power that I was expecting to get from the 7800 series (I'm not talking SLI'd 7800 series since I don't have $1100 to spend for graphics cards nor, I imagine, do 99.9% of the gamers out there). Some games do show a nice improvement from the reviews I've seen but not as many as I was hoping for.

For enthusiast's sake, I hope the R520 is a monster.

CPU wall maybe? I mean for HL2 I hit around 130-140fps and thats not really the graphics card making the difference as SLI 7800gtx doesnt get much more because of CPU limitations...

Try playing BF2 at 1680x1050 w/ everything turned up and you'll probably see the difference

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Elfear
I'd just like to see some more performance come to the table. I don't really care who brings it. I'm still holding my breath for the R520 to be the uber card enthusiasts are hoping for. Truth be told, I'm not all that impressed with the performance of my 7800GTX over my X850XT PE. When both are oced, they are very nearly equal in the games I play (HL2, FarCry, etc.), with the X850 even trumping the 7800 in some levels. FarCry especially needs some more GPU power that I was expecting to get from the 7800 series (I'm not talking SLI'd 7800 series since I don't have $1100 to spend for graphics cards nor, I imagine, do 99.9% of the gamers out there). Some games do show a nice improvement from the reviews I've seen but not as many as I was hoping for.

For enthusiast's sake, I hope the R520 is a monster.

CPU wall maybe? I mean for HL2 I hit around 130-140fps and thats not really the graphics card making the difference as SLI 7800gtx doesnt get much more because of CPU limitations...

Try playing BF2 at 1680x1050 w/ everything turned up and you'll probably see the difference

That's the res I play at and I think you're right about the cpu being the limit, at least for HL2. I get a big jump in frames going from stock to 2.85GHz but almost nothing when I oc either graphics card. FarCry, on the other hand, sees no increase when I oc the cpu so I know it's not the limiting factor.

I wish I still had my X850XT PE to test out on the FEAR and BF2 demos. I'd probably see an increase in those games as you mentioned. I might bench UT2004 just for fun since I still have the old benchmarks with my X850. I know it's mostly cpu limited but it could be informative.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Chill guys, the R520 XLs still might launch on september 15th*.

Fixed.

* Paper Only

 

[bunnyfubbles]

The one thing that seems strange is that they went through so many tape outs just to get to 600MHz? ATI did so much wonders on 130nm with the X850XTPE and then there's the 7800GTX on 110nm reaching 490MHz offered by manufacturers. For the XL to be only 500MHz and the XT 600MHz, those had better be some tricky pipes, especially if there are "only" 16.

Here we're speculating 700MHz which by old 16 pipe performance could keep up with a 7800GTX... 600MHz on the high end doesn't sound good for ATI or for us, but just because it doesn't sound wicked fast doesn't mean it won't be. We'll have to wait and see performance reviews.

 

[Cooler]

I dont care how many pipes or MHZ it has i want to see some benches and its price.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Elfear
I'd just like to see some more performance come to the table. I don't really care who brings it. I'm still holding my breath for the R520 to be the uber card enthusiasts are hoping for. Truth be told, I'm not all that impressed with the performance of my 7800GTX over my X850XT PE. When both are oced, they are very nearly equal in the games I play (HL2, FarCry, etc.), with the X850 even trumping the 7800 in some levels. FarCry especially needs some more GPU power that I was expecting to get from the 7800 series (I'm not talking SLI'd 7800 series since I don't have $1100 to spend for graphics cards nor, I imagine, do 99.9% of the gamers out there). Some games do show a nice improvement from the reviews I've seen but not as many as I was hoping for.

For enthusiast's sake, I hope the R520 is a monster.

You've gotta be kidding me???

I'll buy an X850XTPE and I'll trade you straight up for your 7800GTX, deal?

 

[ZobarStyl]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
The one thing that seems strange is that they went through so many tape outs just to get to 600MHz?

This is exactly why I don't think R520 is capable of really blowing 7800GTX out of the water. If they got slightly lower yields/speeds (say, 500-550 mhz) and could match G70 performance on the first try, they would have released it and saved the heavy stuff for the refresh. You don't go through 3 tapes outs and come out with your product this late if you want to win, you do it if you were that far behind and need more mhz just to catch up.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: johnnqq
500 mhz-600mhz? it can't have 16 pipes...

Why not?

It always amazes me how some people seem to think that just because ATI is releasing a part, it will automatically be faster than nVidia's counterpart.

ATI never bested nVidia prior to the R300, and they bought that design/company. If they release a part now that is slightly slower than nVidia's and has some interesting features, we'll basically have come back to where things were every year prior the the 9700Pro.

It alwys amazes me how some people seem to think just because NV is releasing a part, it will automatically be faster than ATi's counterpart.

It works both ways you know.

ATi did best NV, with the 8500. After their very crappy drivers were sorted out 92 months), it was a better card than the GF2, and the GF3. A GF3 Ti series was generally faster however. The 8500 was a fantastic card in its time, with its virtually free AF. And it can actually play BF2... unlike the GF2/3/4.

Besides, ArtX didnt have the R300 ready, nor did the develop all of it. Some people need to stop trying to pass it off as such.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Or...
Rollo = Nvidia Fanboy

Ackmed= ATi Fanboy

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Or...
Rollo = Nvidia Fanboy

Ackmed= ATi Fanboy

QFT

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
The one thing that seems strange is that they went through so many tape outs just to get to 600MHz?

This is exactly why I don't think R520 is capable of really blowing 7800GTX out of the water. If they got slightly lower yields/speeds (say, 500-550 mhz) and could match G70 performance on the first try, they would have released it and saved the heavy stuff for the refresh. You don't go through 3 tapes outs and come out with your product this late if you want to win, you do it if you were that far behind and need more mhz just to catch up.

But why would it be so hard to get to 600MHz when it seems like ATI could have pulled it off even at the much larger 130nm process? They were only 60MHz away with their X850XTPE...Then there's all the talk of 16 pipes, and the die size being the same despite a shrink from 130nm to 90nm...I'd wager that something else is on that chip that should give it an advtantage. From all this rumor and speculation it doesn't sound like it will blow anything out of the water, but it just seems unlikely that ATI would have spent so much effort without the delay paying off.

It's true that nVidia did it in the past, but thats all the more reason ATI shouldn't fail, because there is history to learn from there. If you're going to have a part that is slower why delay the inevitable? Release it sooner and just suffer the 2nd place. At least you could try and market hardware H.264...

I dunno, like I've said we'll have to wait and see, however I agree that all the talks of specs without any much if any speculation on performance doesn't look good for ATI. Those who purchased a 7800 card instead of waiting (because they couldn't) haven't made a bad decision if spending that much money on a video card isn't easy for them (the primary source of fanboys, investment they cannot truly afford)

However once we get the actual reviews it does seem (atm) as if this will be another round win for nVidia.

 

[jasonja]

I'm willing to bet clocks will be higher than 600/700 for the XT... Based on Orton's comments it sounds like the clocks will be significantly higher than the X800 and 600/700 is NOT significantly higher. 700+ or bust!

 

[n7]

I just want this card to be out.

Also, while a small part of me wants to see ATi's best be better than nVidia's best, i will buy based on price/performance, not total performance.

If the newer ATi cards perform on par or just below nVidia's offerings, but are significantly cheaper...you know what i'll be buying.

It's like the X800XL vs. 6800GT.
Sure, the 6800GT is slightly better.
But the X800XL > 6800GT in price/performance terms.

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
The one thing that seems strange is that they went through so many tape outs just to get to 600MHz?

This is exactly why I don't think R520 is capable of really blowing 7800GTX out of the water. If they got slightly lower yields/speeds (say, 500-550 mhz) and could match G70 performance on the first try, they would have released it and saved the heavy stuff for the refresh. You don't go through 3 tapes outs and come out with your product this late if you want to win, you do it if you were that far behind and need more mhz just to catch up.

exactly...i feel the R520 might just edge out the GTX or perform the same. however they may have taped out that many times to significantly increase yields.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: n7
I just want this card to be out.

Also, while a small part of me wants to see ATi's best be better than nVidia's best, i will buy based on price/performance, not total performance.

If the newer ATi cards perform on par or just below nVidia's offerings, but are significantly cheaper...you know what i'll be buying.

It's like the X800XL vs. 6800GT.
Sure, the 6800GT is slightly better.
But the X800XL > 6800GT in price/performance terms.

I thought the 6800Gt price = X800 XL right now...
Look at the price of a 7800GT, you can find one for under $399
Cheapest one $379.