The Hurricane Maria prediction thread

[UNCjigga]

Fujiwara alert! Apparently the mere existence of Maria could influence Jose to take a much more direct hit at the Mid-Atlantic...Superstorm Jose anyone?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ropical-storm-maria-could-dance-the-fujiwara/

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Serious question, what's wrong with reducing man made CO2(or other green house gas) output? Climate change or not, you enjoy the smog so much?

Depends on the price and depends on the outcome. If it costs 20 Trillion dollars and results in 1/100th of a degree in temperature over the next 100 years........it's not worth it.

 

[Denly]

Depends on the price and depends on the outcome. If it costs 20 Trillion dollars and results in 1/100th of a degree in temperature over the next 100 years........it's not worth it.

What about pay to play? Like gas guzzler tax(personal use), smart meter(tax on electricity if your usage is 2x the norm(residential), tax break on electricity for business if they use below the norm), tax break on solar install(residential/business) + plus buy back income, enforce emission test....etc

those pretty much don't cost anything and is a good starting point.

 

[JSt0rm]

We are all going to be paying for these storms. And, as they get stronger, deadlier and cause more destruction due to GLOBAL WARMING, we are all going to pay. In a HUGE way.

I think the energry sector should pay. They clouded the science about global warming to keep the profits going 20 years ago. Just like the tobacco industry they should pay and pay big. All those profits over the last 20 years should be clawed back.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Serious question, what's wrong with reducing man made CO2(or other green house gas) output?

I will have you know that I do my civic duty in this area by eating more beef.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

What about pay to play? Like gas guzzler tax(personal use), smart meter(tax on electricity if your usage is 2x the norm(residential), tax break on electricity for business if they use below the norm), tax break on solar install(residential/business) + plus buy back income, enforce emission test....etc

those pretty much don't cost anything and is a good starting point.

I'm not in favor of Authoritarian Governmental methods to force your social behavior. The price you pay for a commodity such as electricity or gas should be what it costs to produce and deliver it.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm not in favor of Authoritarian Governmental methods to force your social behavior. The price you pay for a commodity such as electricity or gas should be what it costs to produce and deliver it.

who pays the environmental costs?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

who pays the environmental costs?

What costs?

 

[Victorian Gray]

What costs?

What costs?

 

[JSt0rm]

What costs?

^^ this communist wants the government to pay for the impacts of energy production.

How come the government doesn't pay for my industry?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The costs to return the ecosystems to normal status would be part of the cost of production and delivery and would be held in trust by the Government until the area was no longer producing. Pretty standard practice.

What costs?

 

[Victorian Gray]

The costs to return the ecosystems to normal status would be part of the cost of production and delivery and would be held in trust by the Government until the area was no longer producing. Pretty standard practice.

"A cloud of noxious particles brewing in the air above the Alberta oil sands is one of the most prolific sources of air pollution in North America, often exceeding the total emissions from Canada's largest city, federal scientists have discovered.

The finding marks the first time researchers have quantified the role of oil sands operations in generating secondary organic aerosols, a poorly understood class of pollutants that have been linked to a range of adverse health effects."

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...30151841/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

"Your feelings on the pipeline aside, it's well-established among scientists that extraction of oil from these oil sands (also known as tar sands) is environmentally dicey. The petroleum found in them doesn't flow easily like conventional crude—it's a sticky, viscous type formally known as bitumen but more commonly known as tar—so companies have to resort to alternate measures, either surface mining (digging up the rock or sand covering the oil-laden sediment) or injecting steam to get it out of the Earth.

This uses up an enormous amount of water, distributes toxic metals into the surrounding watershed and perhaps most important leads to an estimated 14 percent higher level of greenhouse gas emissions than conventional oil, because some natural gas must be burned simply to convert the bitumen into a usable form.

To this list of concerns, we can now add another. A new study, published today in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, shows that production in the Athabasca oil sands region is leading to the emission of levels of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) two to three orders of magnitude higher—that's one hundred to one thousand times greater—than previously thought. These higher levels of PAHs in the area aren't imminently dangerous (they're comparable to levels found in urban areas, which result from burning gasoline in cars and trucks), but they're significantly higher than reported in mining companies' environmental impact assessments and Canada's official National Pollutant Release Inventory."

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...much-more-air-pollution-we-thought-180949565/

 

[JSt0rm]

buhahaha. TAj the commie wants to government to take care of the waste of industry.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

buhahaha. TAj the commie wants to government to take care of the waste of industry.

Industry pays it, government just holds it for the future, but you know tha ........ err wait, you probably don't.

 

[JSt0rm]

Industry pays it, government just holds it for the future, but you know tha ........ err wait, you probably don't.

The future is now. Time for the oil industry to pay up.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You live in Canada, have you stopped using petroleum products in protest ? ............... Obviously not.

"A cloud of noxious particles brewing in the air above the Alberta oil sands is one of the most prolific sources of air pollution in North America, often exceeding the total emissions from Canada's largest city, federal scientists have discovered.

The finding marks the first time researchers have quantified the role of oil sands operations in generating secondary organic aerosols, a poorly understood class of pollutants that have been linked to a range of adverse health effects."

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...30151841/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

"Your feelings on the pipeline aside, it's well-established among scientists that extraction of oil from these oil sands (also known as tar sands) is environmentally dicey. The petroleum found in them doesn't flow easily like conventional crude—it's a sticky, viscous type formally known as bitumen but more commonly known as tar—so companies have to resort to alternate measures, either surface mining (digging up the rock or sand covering the oil-laden sediment) or injecting steam to get it out of the Earth.

This uses up an enormous amount of water, distributes toxic metals into the surrounding watershed and perhaps most important leads to an estimated 14 percent higher level of greenhouse gas emissions than conventional oil, because some natural gas must be burned simply to convert the bitumen into a usable form.

To this list of concerns, we can now add another. A new study, published today in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, shows that production in the Athabasca oil sands region is leading to the emission of levels of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) two to three orders of magnitude higher—that's one hundred to one thousand times greater—than previously thought. These higher levels of PAHs in the area aren't imminently dangerous (they're comparable to levels found in urban areas, which result from burning gasoline in cars and trucks), but they're significantly higher than reported in mining companies' environmental impact assessments and Canada's official National Pollutant Release Inventory."

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...much-more-air-pollution-we-thought-180949565/

 

[Victorian Gray]

You live in Canada, have you stopped using petroleum products in protest ? ............... Obviously not.

Never owned or driven an automobile in my life. Life long transit user. Most of the power that I use in daily life is hydro derived. Use as little plastic in my daily life as possible.

Fuck off waterboy. There's a brownshirt over there that needs a drink.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Never owned or driven an automobile in my life. Life long transit user. Most of the power that I use in daily life is hydro derived. Use as little plastic in my daily life as possible.

Fuck off waterboy. There's a brownshirt over there that needs a drink.

We all know transit doesn't use petroleum. lol

 

[Victorian Gray]

We all know transit doesn't use petroleum. lol

It's odd how willingly, even eagerly, you exhibit your stupidity to the world at large.

In my city it's a mix of electric trolley buses and diesel with an increasing move towards alternate fuels that are being tested. The bottom line is, I make an effort to have a small resource use footprint while you simply shit in your bed. <shrug>

 

[imported_tajmahal]

It's odd how willingly, even eagerly, you exhibit your stupidity to the world at large.

In my city it's a mix of electric trolley buses and diesel with an increasing move towards alternate fuels that are being tested. The bottom line is, I make an effort to have a small resource use footprint while you simply shit in your bed. <shrug>

Just because you're too poor to afford your own vehicle, or use a plane and travel doesn't mean you're a particularly virtuous person, it just means you're a poor one.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Maria is now a CAT 4 storm.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Just because you're too poor to afford your own vehicle, or use a plane and travel doesn't mean you're a particularly virtuous person, it just means you're a poor one.

Not poor. Try again asshole.

btw, that poor little brownshirt is still waiting for his water. Pick up that pail and get back to work li'l fella.

 

[JSt0rm]

You live in Canada, have you stopped using petroleum products in protest ? ............... Obviously not.

This is incorrect. society needs to use these things until we move off of them or we would destory the economy. The point is, and one you will never get, is that industry obfuscated the science because they wanted to keep selling their product. That makes them liable for us not getting on that transition sooner.

 

[JSt0rm]

we only need to go back 5 years on these forums and people were arguing that not only was there no man made global warming but global warming didnt exist at all.

Now the argument has changed. Now its not man made and the science is not to be believed. Exactly what these industries want you to say.

 

[UNCjigga]

Oh hai Maria here como estás? I'm Category 5 now k thanks adiós!