The hunt for illegals is on.

[Moonbeam]

Basic decency is having their parents raise them in their parents own country. The parents knew they we breaking the law when they entered illegally. Don't reward criminals for breaking the law.

But only an asshole punishes children for the sins of their parents. As I said, if I were running things illegals would have never been allowed to stay in the first place. You only inherit a moral duty to ameliorate enforcement when you have caused it to laps from indifference in the past. There is no hypocrisy in my stance. Obama was not deporting parents established family parents of American citizen kids. Try to remember that you have a brain defect that makes it impossible for you to see the gray in moral issues. Black and white, on or off is all your simple neurons can handle. You should leave these complex issues to people who are equipped to handle them. Otherwise your opinions just scream brain dead fuck to anybody who can think, not that you are awake enough to care.

 

[Moonbeam]

About whether ILLEGAL immigration is a crime or not, I will put this here - http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html#



and this- https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1324a-offenses

.

There it is: it's either illegal or it isn't. God Damned pathetic.

 

[DarthKyrie]

Taj must agree that companies that hire illegals should be punished instead of rewarded with tax breaks as well then. Who I am kidding Taj would never support that. A wall would be a logistical nightmare on the southern border because of this little river that makes up most of the Texas border which goes by the name of the Rio Grande. Most of the western portion of the Texas/Mexico border is canyon land on top of having the Rio Grande. Where our land border with Mexico is there's already a border wall and fence combo that runs from New Mexico to the Pacific ocean. So Taj how are we going to build a wall?

 

[compuwiz1]

But only an asshole punishes children for the sins of their parents. As I said, if I were running things illegals would have never been allowed to stay in the first place. You only inherit a moral duty to ameliorate enforcement when you have caused it to laps from indifference in the past. There is no hypocrisy in my stance. Obama was not deporting parents established family parents of American citizen kids. Try to remember that you have a brain defect that makes it impossible for you to see the gray in moral issues. Black and white, on or off is all your simple neurons can handle. You should leave these complex issues to people who are equipped to handle them. Otherwise your opinions just scream brain dead fuck to anybody who can think, not that you are awake enough to care.

Where are your sympathies for Donald Jr, Eric, Ivanka, Tiffany & Barron? Cough it up. You don't get to take some elite moral high ground on this. If you believe in what you say, have enough integrity to cover everyone, not just those illegal's parents.
I've held the same position, with regard to Obama's kids as well.

Now, get the bad hombres out of here. I don't agree that families should be broken up. The criminals have to go, period! Next, fix the broken system that is allowing illegal immigration. There are many ways.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

But only an asshole punishes children for the sins of their parents. As I said, if I were running things illegals would have never been allowed to stay in the first place. You only inherit a moral duty to ameliorate enforcement when you have caused it to laps from indifference in the past. There is no hypocrisy in my stance. Obama was not deporting parents established family parents of American citizen kids. Try to remember that you have a brain defect that makes it impossible for you to see the gray in moral issues. Black and white, on or off is all your simple neurons can handle. You should leave these complex issues to people who are equipped to handle them. Otherwise your opinions just scream brain dead fuck to anybody who can think, not that you are awake enough to care.

Kids aren't being punished. They receive dual-citizenship courtesy of their parents and America's extremely lax immigration laws. They have every ability to go back with their parents until adulthood, at which point they can reap all the benefits of their American status.

 

[fskimospy]

I am still waiting for you to quote my "hate" for ILLEGALS. As I would for your answer to my question above and here it is again... "Why even bother to have rules and laws if we do not enforce them or let certain group gets away with them years after years?"

Take your time. Any ILLEGALS supporters are free to jump in to answer my question anytime. Don't be shy. Do tell me how it is "fair", "justice", "equality" that liberals/democrats are preaching all those years.

I'm sure you go out of your way to capitalize the word illegal all the time because you're totally objective and rational on the issue, haha.

As for your question, it's silliness. Fairness and equity are virtues but they are hardly the only thing that matters. Given the choice between keeping the status quo, attempting a mass deportation of ten million people, and changing our laws to legalize the people already here while changing immigration policies to promote guest worker status, etc, in the future to limit the number of people immigrating here illegally, #3 is the clear, same choice.

This isn't hard to understand, the main issue is getting it past people irrationally screaming ILLEGALS like you.

 

[fskimospy]

Kids aren't being punished. They receive dual-citizenship courtesy of their parents and America's extremely lax immigration laws. They have every ability to go back with their parents until adulthood, at which point they can reap all the benefits of their American status.

Can you explain how being forced to leave the only home they have ever known and go to a new country or be left for foster care is not a punishment?

 

[echo4747]

If the children of deported parent(s) were left for foster care, it is very debatable that they could receive better care than if the parents were allowed to remain in the country.

 

[fskimospy]

If the children of deported parent(s) were left for foster care, it is very debatable that they could receive better care than if the parents were allowed to remain in the country.

Uhmm, no it isn't.

If you think otherwise please provide literally any evidence that outcomes for foster children are on average superior to outcomes for US citizen children of illegal immigrants.

 

[Svnla]

I'm sure you go out of your way to capitalize the word illegal all the time because you're totally objective and rational on the issue, haha.

As for your question, it's silliness. Fairness and equity are virtues but they are hardly the only thing that matters. Given the choice between keeping the status quo, attempting a mass deportation of ten million people, and changing our laws to legalize the people already here while changing immigration policies to promote guest worker status, etc, in the future to limit the number of people immigrating here illegally, #3 is the clear, same choice.

This isn't hard to understand, the main issue is getting it past people irrationally screaming ILLEGALS like you.

And we all know how you and liberals/democrats are full of virtue and neutrality in this matter, right? LOL.

First of all, I and millions and millions of US citizens are sick and tired of folks like you that love to mixed LEGALS and ILLEGALS together in the same pot to divert. Let spell them out for what they are, not UNDOCUMENTED.

Secondly, you are ranting and making excuses, just like Jhhh did. Again, the ILLEGALS are reaping what they sow by their OWN ILLEGAL activities. Yes or No?

Thirdly, why should we reward the ILLEGALS for their own ILLEGAL activities? Why should they get a free pass while millions and millions of LEGALS are waiting in vain for years and years to get here the LEGAL way? Is that justice and the American way or is that the way to gather future votes for certain political party?

Either we enforce the rules and laws EQUALLY for EVERYONE or we don't do it. Not hard to understand.

A sovereign nation that does not control its border will soon cease to be a sovereign nation. Enough is enough.

 

[Paladin3]

How is an illegal alien parent with no social security number and no ability to work legally in this country going to be the family breadwinner and support their U.S. born citizen children? They're not unless they either get on welfare, work without documentation or steal a SS# to work under.

How are non-citizen children brought here at a very young age, raised on welfare and given a free education, going to work legally once adults without a SS#?

Non-citizens have no right to be in this country illegally and people need to get that through their thick skulls. If someone wants to immigrate here we have a well defined process for that to which they must apply. Living in America is not a basic human right everyone around the globe can claim.

At bare minimum, Americans deserve to know who is crossing their borders to reject criminals and those ineligible for citizenship.

 

[echo4747]

I disagree, I am sure for some children it would much worse being in foster care. I am also sure for some foster care would be the better option long term. I personally know two couples that are wonderful caring foster parents. I am not aware of any data that shows the outcomes of foster children of illegal immigrant(s)

 

[fskimospy]

And we all know how you and liberals/democrats are full of virtue and neutrality in this matter, right? LOL.

First of all, I and millions and millions of US citizens are sick and tired of folks like you that love to mixed LEGALS and ILLEGALS together in the same pot to divert. Let spell them out for what they are, not UNDOCUMENTED.

Secondly, you are ranting and making excuses, just like Jhhh did. Again, the ILLEGALS are reaping what they sow by their OWN ILLEGAL activities. Yes or No?

Thirdly, why should we reward the ILLEGALS for their own ILLEGAL activities? Why should they get a free pass while millions and millions of LEGALS are waiting in vain for years and years to get here the LEGAL way? Is that justice and the American way or is that the way to gather future votes for certain political party?

Either we enforce the rules and laws EQUALLY for EVERYONE or we don't do it. Not hard to understand.

A sovereign nation that does not control its border will soon cease to be a sovereign nation. Enough is enough.

Nice job doing everything but addressing the content of my post.

 

[fskimospy]

I disagree, I am sure for some children it would much worse being in foster care. I am also sure for some foster care would be the better option long term. I personally know two couples that are wonderful caring foster parents. I am not aware of any data that shows the outcomes of foster children of illegal immigrant(s)

Can you provide literally a single shred of empirical evidence that indicates this? I'm willing to bet quite a lot if you pull up the numbers you will find it is HUGELY worse to be in foster care than the child of undocumented parents.

 

[Svnla]

Nice job doing everything but addressing the content of my post.

I already did. Here it is again. Enough of excuses. Let enforce immigration rules and laws EQUALLY to EVERYONE. That's "fair"and "justice", just like liberals/democrats have been preaching for years.

 

[fskimospy]

I already did. Here it is again. Enough of excuses. Let enforce immigration rules and laws EQUALLY to EVERYONE. That's "fair"and "justice", just like liberals/democrats have been preaching for years.

I like how you claim you responded to my post by repeating your claims about fairness and justice despite my post being about how those aren't the most important things.

Why not try actually responding to the content of my post instead of robotically repeating the same nonsense over and over?

 

[Svnla]

I like how you claim you responded to my post by repeating your claims about fairness and justice despite my post being about how those aren't the most important things.

Why not try actually responding to the content of my post instead of robotically repeating the same nonsense over and over?

Enough of excuses that wrapped around by sob stories and diversions and failed tactics/broken promises. I did LOL @ this statement from you....."in the future to limit the number of people immigrating here illegally". Did we hear that line before? Yup, during the massive freebie (aka comprehensive immigration reform) for ILLEGALS during the 80's, we would do this and that and this if we would just pass this freebee for ILLEGALS and all would be ok. We all know how that turned out but hey, let do another one but this time, we ARE VERY SERIOUS!!! Really.

What's that old saying? Something about those that are ignored history are doomed to repeat it.

What you, Jhhhnnn, and people like you guys are doing is giving a big F*CK YOU right in the face of millions and millions of LEGALS that are waiting for years and years in vain to get here the LEGAL way.

But hey, carry on with your sob stories, empty broken promise, failed strategries...ie..let do another freebie giveaway for ILLEGALS. That will teach them how to behave next time. LOL.

 

[fskimospy]

Enough of excuses. I did LOL @ this statement from you....."in the future to limit the number of people immigrating here illegally". Did we hear that line before? Yup, during the massive freebie for ILLEGALS during the 80's, we would do this and that and this if we would just pass this freebee for ILLEGALS and all would be ok. We all know how that turned out.

What's that old saying? Something about those that are ignored history are doomed to repeat it.

I seriously love how you keep talking about how rational you are while screaming 'ILLEGALS'!!

The way to limit the number of people coming here illegally is easy, we set up guest worker programs like we have had in the past (and other countries have today).

It's important to get past the mindless ranting and fantasies about how we can just deport millions of people and start looking at real, rational solutions.

 

[Svnla]

I seriously love how you keep talking about how rational you are while screaming 'ILLEGALS'!!

The way to limit the number of people coming here illegally is easy, we set up guest worker programs like we have had in the past (and other countries have today).

It's important to get past the mindless ranting and fantasies about how we can just deport millions of people and start looking at real, rational solutions.

See above why I capped the word ILLEGALS.

I say what I need to say (let enforced rules and laws EQUALLY to ALL). You and others can go on and on with your excuses painted as "real, rational solutions". Hey, we do have million and milion that overstay their visas now..who says they won't overstay their guess worker permits. What then? More freebee for ILLEGALS? Who is ranting nonsense again? Let reward ILLEGALS to teach them how to behave properly next time (even we did that before and it did not work then). Who is creating a fantasy again?

One more thing, why don't you go to Mexico or any sovereign nation or Earth and pull the same excuses as you are doing now. They would laugh at your face. You do not get to pick and choose which rule and law you like and follow.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Taj must agree that companies that hire illegals should be punished instead of rewarded with tax breaks as well then. Who I am kidding Taj would never support that. A wall would be a logistical nightmare on the southern border because of this little river that makes up most of the Texas border which goes by the name of the Rio Grande. Most of the western portion of the Texas/Mexico border is canyon land on top of having the Rio Grande. Where our land border with Mexico is there's already a border wall and fence combo that runs from New Mexico to the Pacific ocean. So Taj how are we going to build a wall?

I support punishing any company or business or even a private citizen that knowingly hires illegal aliens. In terms of a border wall, which I support, i'm fine with it including fencing and other barriers to prevent easy crossing. What is really needed is the enforcement of already existing laws. You build the wall one step at a time.

 

[fskimospy]

See above why I capped the word ILLEGALS.

I say what I need to say (let enforced rules and laws EQUALLY to ALL). You and others can go on and on with your excuses painted as "real, rational solutions". Hey, we do have million and milion that overstay their visas now..who says they won't overstay their guess worker permits. What then? More freebee for ILLEGALS? Who is ranting nonsense again? Let reward ILLEGALS to teach them how to behave properly next time (even we did that before and it did not work then). Who is creating a fantasy again?

You're just getting more and more spun up about this issue every time someone mentions that you're incoherently ranting. Why is this such an emotional thing for you?

I'm all for increased enforcement of work requirements, but only if that comes with a rational assessment of our country's labor needs. That's what a guest worker program accomplishes. People who just want to deport everyone are reacting emotionally to an issue and are ignoring the real, major damage that would do to our economy. We need those laborers, so we need to find a way to incorporate them legally.

One more thing, why don't you go to Mexico or any sovereign nation or Earth and pull the same excuses as you are doing now. They would laugh at your face. You do not get to pick and choose which rule and law you like and follow.

Why should we take governance tips from Mexico?

 

[Sea Ray]

Granted, at some point Republicans do need to get serious about immigration reform and they'd be smart to do it before the mid-terms. They ought not wait for the Dems to gain control and let them write the bill. The Republicans should write a bill that has the following elements:

1) Everyone here illegally has to register. Tell us where you are, your real name, birthday etc
2) They pay a fine
3) All law abiding illegals are then granted some sort of legal status like a work visa or whatever
4) But they are NOT guaranteed citizenship. They are only guaranteed to be able to stay here if they stay clean of the law
5) They may apply for citizenship but need to go to the back of the line

After doing all of this there will still be millions of illegals who opted not to register. At that point our gov't should round those folks up and get them the hell out of here. What excuses will the Dems use then to say that they ought to be allowed to stay? The racist, xenophobe lines will ring hollow at that point. If the Dems get to write the bill there will be two huge elements to it:

1) Guaranteed citizenship (so they can vote Dem)
2) They'll be able to bring in all their distant relatives from Mexico or wherever

It behooves the Republicans to deal with this soon

 

[Svnla]

You're just getting more and more spun up about this issue every time someone mentions that you're incoherently ranting. Why is this such an emotional thing for you?

I'm all for increased enforcement of work requirements, but only if that comes with a rational assessment of our country's labor needs. That's what a guest worker program accomplishes. People who just want to deport everyone are reacting emotionally to an issue and are ignoring the real, major damage that would do to our economy. We need those laborers, so we need to find a way to incorporate them legally.



Why should we take governance tips from Mexico?

Nope. You and peple like you are spewing out the same old excusese we all hear before. Funny how you forgot to address my point about failed policy/broken promises from the big amnesty for ILEGALS during the 80's but hey let do another one.

Enforce the rules and laws EQUALLY for ALL. Why is that so hard for you and people like you to understand? Nothing to be emotional about. Enforce the current freaking rules and laws.

Nothing is emotional about that. Either enforce the laws or not. Yes or No.

Funny how liberals/democrats ranted and ranted about Canada/Australia/etc. when they talked about Obamacare and restrictions of 2A but now suddendly, why should we listen to other countries? LOL. Do as you guys say and not as you guys do, eh?

 

[echo4747]

I know I'm digressing ... but does the illegal/undocumented population factor into determining each states electoral vote count?

 

[Sea Ray]

I know I'm digressing ... but does the illegal/undocumented population factor into determining each states electoral vote count?

No. Why should gov't be rewarded for not enforcing the law?