The hunt for illegals is on.

[echo4747]

I thought that illegal/undocumented citizens may be included in the census... which may allow states to have more representatives/ electors

 

[fskimospy]

I know I'm digressing ... but does the illegal/undocumented population factor into determining each states electoral vote count?

Yes, population counts all residents, not just citizens. It has always been this way since the 3/5ths compromise was eliminated.

 

[blackangst1]

Its funny how the likes of fskimospy and Jhhnn simply default to the usual "it will hurt the kids" argument and ignore everything else Svnla has said. Laws should apply equally and that includes immigration. Its not a brown issue (as many have implied) its a legal issue.

I can tell you who is most angry about this is LEGAL immigrants. My wife immigrated here legally, went through all the appropriate checks and investigations, and is now a citizen. She has recently petitioned for her sister, which will include a background check from her original country, a background check by the USA, a health check, and 8-10 years of waiting. She is currently in med school, and wants to practice in the USA.

Now tell me how "fairness" and "humanity" apply when someone else can simply crawl over the border, jump through a few minor hoops, and get a work visa? Allowing this spits in the face of those who came here legally. My wife and I know probably 20 couples with one person being from her original country and they are ALL enraged. It has even come up in conversation "Why not just bring your sister here illegally and get it done faster so you dont have the expense and 8-10 years waiting?" No one really has a good answer for that question.

 

[brandonbull]

Holy balls, you liberals have gone off the rails. concentration camps? fuck why stop there why not add, poison gas chamber and crematoriums. if you are going to make ridiculous statements like that, may as go all the way.

Give them time. Even though the left is doing everything that the Nazi party did when it was first coming to power, they still try to pin the fascist label on someone else.

 

[fskimospy]

Nope. You and peple like you are spewing out the same old excusese we all hear before. Funny how you forgot to address my point about failed policy/broken promises from the big amnesty for ILEGALS during the 80's but hey let do another one.

Enforce the rules and laws EQUALLY for ALL. Why is that so hard for you and people like you to understand? Nothing to be emotional about. Enforce the current freaking rules and laws.

I already addressed your point about the 80s. It's funny that you were talking about how liberals wanted equality above all else when it turns out that's really you.

Nothing is emotional about that. Either enforce the laws or not. Yes or No.

That's not how it is for any law, ever. The question is always how much we enforce the law vs. what it costs us. The idea that it's a yes or no thing is an emotional fantasy.

Funny how liberals/democrats ranted and ranted about Canada/Australia/etc. when they talked about Obamacare and restrictions of 2A but now suddendly, why should we listen to other countries? LOL. Do as you guys say and not as you guys do, eh?

It's almost like those countries are good examples of well functioning, high income societies and Mexico is not. Might want to think this through a little more next time.

 

[Jhhnn]

Its funny how the likes of fskimospy and Jhhnn simply default to the usual "it will hurt the kids" argument and ignore everything else Svnla has said.

Correct. Declarations of self righteous entitlement in no way counter the fact that they are children, innocent of wrongdoing & that they are my fellow citizens.

The only way to get around that is to depersonalize them, to deny that they are just as important as all the rest of America's children.

If living up to the promises of the Constitution in that regard means that their parent(s) get lucky it's nothing that our wealthy & generous country can't handle with ease.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/kelly-guidance-on-immigration-and-border-security/index.html

What's next?

Concentration Camps? Auschwitz?

I just got done watching a documentary on the Jews and Germany. Sadly, this is how it begins.

Apply for a card/citizenship and try to do things the correct way instead of trying to circumvent.

It's just that simple. You chose to cut in line, why you defend the person that cheats the system is beyond me. You fools are actively advocating for REWARDING people who do the wrong thing. At the very least, they need to be registered so that they properly pay taxes like a good citizen would instead of taking money from under the table.

And just for the record - my wife is an immigrant. She came here at the age of 6 from a Latin origin LEGALLY. You guys act as if we have something against immigrants in general, and that's just pathetic.

 

[fskimospy]

Its funny how the likes of fskimospy and Jhhnn simply default to the usual "it will hurt the kids" argument and ignore everything else Svnla has said. Laws should apply equally and that includes immigration. Its not a brown issue (as many have implied) its a legal issue.

Laws do apply equally, there are just limited enforcement resources and real economic harms to consider.

Also, the fate of literally millions of children is something you don't get to gloss over. So yes, do think of the children.

I can tell you who is most angry about this is LEGAL immigrants. My wife immigrated here legally, went through all the appropriate checks and investigations, and is now a citizen. She has recently petitioned for her sister, which will include a background check from her original country, a background check by the USA, a health check, and 8-10 years of waiting. She is currently in med school, and wants to practice in the USA.

Now tell me how "fairness" and "humanity" apply when someone else can simply crawl over the border, jump through a few minor hoops, and get a work visa? Allowing this spits in the face of those who came here legally. My wife and I know probably 20 couples with one person being from her original country and they are ALL enraged. It has even come up in conversation "Why not just bring your sister here illegally and get it done faster so you dont have the expense and 8-10 years waiting?" No one really has a good answer for that question.

This is the same type of argument that people use when they say 'why work? I can just get food stamps and welfare!' It almost always comes from people who have not experienced the reality of the situation they are arguing for.

Why don't people do that? Because being an undocumented immigrant sucks really badly. I encourage your friends to try their plan out and get back to you about how great their experience is. Lol.

 

[Jhhnn]

Give them time. Even though the left is doing everything that the Nazi party did when it was first coming to power, they still try to pin the fascist label on someone else.

Astounding denial. Fascists always attack the bureaucracy, the judiciary & the free press as a means to rule by a corrupt personality cult strongman. TrumpCo fits the profile better than any Admin in modern history.

 

[blackangst1]

Laws do apply equally, there are just limited enforcement resources and real economic harms to consider.

Also, the fate of literally millions of children is something you don't get to gloss over. So yes, do think of the children.



This is the same type of argument that people use when they say 'why work? I can just get food stamps and welfare!' It almost always comes from people who have not experienced the reality of the situation they are arguing for.

Why don't people do that? Because being an undocumented immigrant sucks really badly. I encourage your friends to try their plan out and get back to you about how great their experience is. Lol.

The only difference between most illegals and my wife's sister or friends family is, most illegals dont have a nice house to live in, healthy meals to eat, and a family who loves them. Not as "sucks" as you say. Just wait for their work permit and theyre home free.

 

[fskimospy]

The only difference between most illegals and my wife's sister or friends family is, most illegals dont have a nice house to live in, healthy meals to eat, and a family who loves them. Not as "sucks" as you say. Just wait for their work permit and theyre home free.

Living the life! Haha.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

It's funny that the same couple of posters in here that said President Obama had a great record on deporting illegal aliens and deported far more that president Bush, suddenly, suddenly have a problem with President Trump deporting illegal aliens. It's called bald faced partisan hypocrisy in action.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's funny that the same couple of posters in here that said President Obama had a great record on deporting illegal aliens and deported far more that president Bush, suddenly, suddenly have a problem with President Trump deporting illegal aliens. It's called bald faced partisan hypocrisy in action.

Bullshit. I never championed the high deportation numbers of the early Obama years. I praised the change in policy.

 

[soulcougher73]

They could always go home. I don't think that choice was given to the Jews and others. I don't think Democratic Franklin Roosevelt even gave that choice to the Japanese and American citizens he tossed in camps.

Damn you American citizens. Why dont you just go home?

That is epic level derp their my son.

 

[piasabird]

The Iraq government demanded we leave Iraq. Then what they did is their corrupt officals stole all the money we sent them for buying weapons and ammunition. So when ISIS attacked they didnt have enough ammo to do anything and were forced to flee. All because of the corrupt government. Instead of money for aid we should have sent them bullets and munitions and arms directly to the military like we do for Egypt.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Bullshit. I never championed the high deportation numbers of the early Obama years. I praised the change in policy.

Are you speaking for fskimo now?

 

[soundforbjt]

I already did. Here it is again. Enough of excuses. Let enforce immigration rules and laws EQUALLY to EVERYONE. That's "fair"and "justice", just like liberals/democrats have been preaching for years.

How about we first enforce the laws pertaining to the hiring of illegal aliens? Why do the employers get all the benefits and the illegal has to constantly live in fear? They'll self deport if the jobs don't exist and that creates jobs for Americans...win win.

 

[Jhhnn]

Are you speaking for fskimo now?

So you weren't speaking of me?

I think it's perfectly clear that you were.

 

[echo4747]

I am all for cracking down on those who employ illegals. I don't know if those currently here illegally would self deport... but I do think it may help in slowing down the amount of those who intend on coming here illegally

 

[Moonbeam]

And we all know how you and liberals/democrats are full of virtue and neutrality in this matter, right? LOL.

First of all, I and millions and millions of US citizens are sick and tired of folks like you that love to mixed LEGALS and ILLEGALS together in the same pot to divert. Let spell them out for what they are, not UNDOCUMENTED.

Secondly, you are ranting and making excuses, just like Jhhh did. Again, the ILLEGALS are reaping what they sow by their OWN ILLEGAL activities. Yes or No?

Thirdly, why should we reward the ILLEGALS for their own ILLEGAL activities? Why should they get a free pass while millions and millions of LEGALS are waiting in vain for years and years to get here the LEGAL way? Is that justice and the American way or is that the way to gather future votes for certain political party?

Either we enforce the rules and laws EQUALLY for EVERYONE or we don't do it. Not hard to understand.

A sovereign nation that does not control its border will soon cease to be a sovereign nation. Enough is enough.

You tell the brain dead what is wrong with their thinking and they repeat it again thinking it was you that didn't comprehend.

Did you pick up on the fact that fskimospy correctly blamed you for all those millions of illegals. They are here because of millions of other idiots like you whose intransigent stupidity block any rational solution. Thanks a lot you stupid fuck for all the illegals. Too bad imbeciles like you can't be deported.

 

[Chiropteran]

Sounds like moonbeam needs a rabbies shot, he is foaming at the mouth a bit much this morning.

 

[brandonbull]

Astounding denial. Fascists always attack the bureaucracy, the judiciary & the free press as a means to rule by a corrupt personality cult strongman. TrumpCo fits the profile better than any Admin in modern history.

You mean the fascists always want to control the bureaucracy, the judiciary, and the press. They seem to love the use of cinema and groups of followers that go around with specific goals of destroying their political opponents. They label groups of individuals and begin a systematic campaign of spreading false stereotypes and propaganda with the hopes destroying the morale and ostracizing said groups.

 

[flexy]

"Concentration camps" obviously has a VERY negative ring to it and we don't use the word.
But the new detention centers who are planned now (FACT) are technically indeed "concentration camps".

And the MO how people of a certain heritage/race/religion are now apprehended and then detained in those camps is very, very, VERY similar to what was done in the 3rd Reich. You can deny this as long as you want.

PS: In the 3rd Reich, they sure didn't proclaim that they took out of their homes and then detained Jews, Gypsies, "Degenerates" etc. out of fun and out of evilness. OBVIOUSLY and OF COURSE, these people had been claimed as being criminals, or authorities had "invented" whatever crimes to pseudo-legitimize their detention. Saying that back then, for the regime this was really not "innocent people", but actually perceived as criminals ("enemies" that the regime deemed as dangerous), whereas this term of course is highly flexible. This is the crux here. For example, someone "averse to work", or an artist engaging in "degenerate art" or a regime critic. You can easily put the "criminal" label on anyone and pseudo-legitimize the reason for detention. Those who want to do this can always find reasons.

You cannot "logically argue away" that you are INDEED building concentration camps by saying "oh, no, these are only for illegal immigrants". This "logic", I am afraid, doesn't work. If so, it should have already worked back in 1938 if someone would have pointed out there are concentration camps (assuming that normal folks didn't know what REALLY happened in them, and normal folks did indeed not know what really happened there) and then say, "ah no, this is ok...you know these are for the Jews, so it's all good".

Saying, (TLDR), the common man will believe (or be made believe) that there really is a "good reason" why folks are detained..like they now believe that the good reason and justification for it is that the detained are illegals. In an alternate reality or a potential future if we assume that entering the US without papers in the search for work wouldn't be a crime/felony, then IN HINDSIGHT (!), the apprehension and detention would be seen in an entirely different light and deemed an immoral and inhumane act.

 

[Jhhnn]

You mean the fascists always want to control the bureaucracy, the judiciary, and the press. They seem to love the use of cinema and groups of followers that go around with specific goals of destroying their political opponents. They label groups of individuals and begin a systematic campaign of spreading false stereotypes and propaganda with the hopes destroying the morale and ostracizing said groups.

You didn't contradict a word that I said but seem to think that people who do things that way aren't fascist if their name is Trump or if they're Republican.

Extreme gerrymandering is fascist. Voter suppression is fascist. Trump's immigration order is fascist. Claiming some crisis in law & order when there isn't one is fascist. Blaming the powerless for the problems created by the powerful is fascist. Claiming that the free press is the enemy of the people is classic fascism.

We'll be getting a stunning display of a lot of fascist tendencies from Trump & the Repubs.

 

[cubby1223]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/kelly-guidance-on-immigration-and-border-security/index.html

What's next?

Concentration Camps? Auschwitz?

I just got done watching a documentary on the Jews and Germany. Sadly, this is how it begins.

You may have watched a documentary - but if you think what's happening in the U.S. even remotely parallels what happened in Germany, I'm sorry to have to be the one to inform you you wasted your time watching a poor documentary.