The hunt for illegals is on.

[HamburgerBoy]

Can you explain how being forced to leave the only home they have ever known and go to a new country or be left for foster care is not a punishment?

Ending a gravy train is not punishment, unless done for the explicit purpose of punishment.

 

[hal2kilo]

Ending a gravy train is not punishment, unless done for the explicit purpose of punishment.

What's this gravy train you speak of, the only Mexicans I ever interacted with, are working there asses off for shit.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

What's this gravy train you speak of, the only Mexicans I ever interacted with, are working there asses off for shit.

Children don't work and don't pay taxes. Assuming their parents are newly immigrated, then neither did they to cover 13 years of free public education.

 

[Zaap]

Why are you so okay with people working their asses off for shit?

Serious question.

That's called EXPLOITATION. Why is the left so cool with it in this case?

And before the usual 'jobs Americans won't do' crap, I'll just remind that well gee whiz it sure is a good thing EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD shares a border with Mexico.

I mean, how else would anyone in any first world country ever feed itself without exploiting its border with Mexico and screaming "jobs Germans won't do!!" at anyone who points out its a fucking racket you nitwit.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Why are you so okay with people working their asses off for shit?

Serious question.

That's called EXPLOITATION. Why is the left so cool with it in this case?

And before the usual 'jobs Americans won't do' crap, I'll just remind that well gee whiz it sure is a good thing EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD shares a border with Mexico.

I mean, how else would anyone in any first world country ever feed itself without exploiting its border with Mexico and screaming "jobs Germans won't do!!" at anyone who points out its a fucking racket you nitwit.

Turks do the jobs Germans won't do. Poles do the jobs Brits won't do. Portuguese do the jobs the Swiss won't do. Free movement of and competition between labor isn't exploitation, it's capitalism, and if illegal immigrants felt they were worse off in American fields than at home, they'd self-deport (which incidentally they did during the economic downturn).

 

[agent00f]

Enough of excuses that wrapped around by sob stories and diversions and failed tactics/broken promises. I did LOL @ this statement from you....."in the future to limit the number of people immigrating here illegally". Did we hear that line before? Yup, during the massive freebie (aka comprehensive immigration reform) for ILLEGALS during the 80's, we would do this and that and this if we would just pass this freebee for ILLEGALS and all would be ok. We all know how that turned out but hey, let do another one but this time, we ARE VERY SERIOUS!!! Really.

What's that old saying? Something about those that are ignored history are doomed to repeat it.

What you, Jhhhnnn, and people like you guys are doing is giving a big F*CK YOU right in the face of millions and millions of LEGALS that are waiting for years and years in vain to get here the LEGAL way.

But hey, carry on with your sob stories, empty broken promise, failed strategries...ie..let do another freebie giveaway for ILLEGALS. That will teach them how to behave next time. LOL.

I didn't really read this thread, but these subjects are predictably filled with simpletons who can't understand anything more complex than LEGAL / ILLEGAL. It's by design, to put conservative simpletons to best use; it's not like they're useful for anything else worthwhile.

The issue is actually not that complicated though. Poor mexicans come here because there are tons of businesses willing to employ labor at sub-legal-market rates. But leave it to degenerates to scapegoat lower status minorities for all their problems.

 

[MongGrel]

Where are your sympathies for Donald Jr, Eric, Ivanka, Tiffany & Barron? Cough it up. You don't get to take some elite moral high ground on this. If you believe in what you say, have enough integrity to cover everyone, not just those illegal's parents.
I've held the same position, with regard to Obama's kids as well.

Now, get the bad hombres out of here. I don't agree that families should be broken up. The criminals have to go, period! Next, fix the broken system that is allowing illegal immigration. There are many ways.

What the hell are you talking about ? The majority of Trumps kids are adults now and are co conspirators

It did not make sense in any way.

 

[agent00f]

What the hell are you talking about ? The majority of Trumps kids are adults now and are co conspirators

It did not make sense in any way.

The silver spoon trump brats are the Real victims here.

 

[Zaap]

Turks do the jobs Germans won't do. Poles do the jobs Brits won't do. Portuguese do the jobs the Swiss won't do. Free movement of and competition between labor isn't exploitation, it's capitalism, and if illegal immigrants felt they were worse off in American fields than at home, they'd self-deport (which incidentally they did during the economic downturn).

Turks aren't allowed in Germany illegally, with winks and nods from German authorities. They have very strict immigration and labor laws.

And you're also falling for the bullshit. Illegals aren't just doing 'jobs Americans won't do' that's a line of horseshit you've been sold.

In every discussion its just people toiling in feilds picking tomatoes or whatever. In REALITY its construction. Plumbing. Factory work. Electrical work. Delivery. Hospitality work. Service jobs. Cashier jobs. Etc. More and more it's becoming professional level jobs as well.

Even agriculture isn't a 'JAWD' that's pure horseshit in itself, its just that family farms are killed off by corrupt corporate farms run by cheating exploiters, cheered on by the stupid people. And it sure as hell isn't that Americans won't do the other jobs. They just won't do them for the 'shit' that stupid left-wing twits think is awesome some exploited illegal will.

In the next thread the same dumbasses will be wining about $15 wages again- while cheerleading employers to exploit illegal labor for nothing! How fucking stupid is that?

 

[agent00f]

Turks aren't allowed in Germany illegally, with winks and nods from German authorities. They have very strict immigration and labor laws.

And you're also falling for the bullshit. Illegals aren't just doing 'jobs Americans won't do' that's a line of horseshit you've been sold.

In every discussion its just people toiling in feilds picking tomatoes or whatever. In REALITY its construction. Plumbing. Factory work. Electrical work. Delivery. Hospitality work. Service jobs. Cashier jobs. Etc. More and more it's becoming professional level jobs as well.

Even agriculture isn't a 'JAWD' that's pure horseshit in itself, its just that family farms are killed off by corrupt corporate farms run by cheating exploiters, cheered on by the stupid people. And it sure as hell isn't that Americans won't do the other jobs. They just won't do them for the 'shit' that stupid left-wing twits think is awesome some exploited illegal will.

In the next thread the same dumbasses will be wining about $15 wages again- while cheerleading employers to exploit illegal labor for nothing! How fucking stupid is that?

The only thing that's for certain is lower status minorities and leftards are to blame.

 

[Svnla]

I didn't really read this thread, but these subjects are predictably filled with simpletons who can't understand anything more complex than LEGAL / ILLEGAL. It's by design, to put conservative simpletons to best use; it's not like they're useful for anything else worthwhile.

The issue is actually not that complicated though. Poor mexicans come here because there are tons of businesses willing to employ labor at sub-legal-market rates. But leave it to degenerates to scapegoat lower status minorities for all their problems.

See the bolded part of your own words? STFU right there. Moron. Learn to read before you jump in and open your stupid mouth to spew out things that you have no clue. Again as usual. Troll harder troll.

 

[agent00f]

See the bolded part of your own words? STFU right there. Moron. Learn to read before you jump in and open your stupid mouth to spew out things that you have no clue. Again as usual. Troll harder troll.

Don't really need to read the thread to know that simpletons will reliably validate every claim about them. Rather makes sense given their simplicity.

Don't worry though, there are so many in the conservative movement who can totally relate to everything that drools from your mouth.

 

[Svnla]

Don't really need to read the thread to know that simpletons will reliably validate every claim about them.

Really, mister "4rd grade english" is calling name while did not bother to read the thread? LOL. Troll harder troll.

What's that old saing in this forum? Ugly can be fix but stupid is forever. So true for agent fail troll.

 

[agent00f]

Really, mister "4rd grade english" is calling name while did not bother to read the thread? LOL. Troll harder troll.

The best thing about simpletons is that they will never say anything smart enough to contradict the namesake. The best thing about conservative simpletons is they will reliably drag all their peers down with them.

 

[theeedude]

Trump supporters don't want to do these farm jobs. Plus it's probably more expensive to have them even try. They are already obese, so if they have to stand in the field and do heavy lifting all day, they'll get injured, and with American health care costs and worker comp, that will be a very expensive proposition. We should just give Trump supporters welfare to sit at home and do incest, hunt, or whatever it is they do all day, and let undocumented trained professionals pick our food. It will be cheaper and better for everyone involved.

 

[Svnla]

The best thing about simpletons is that they will never say anything smart enough to contradict the namesake. The best thing about conservative simpletons is they will reliably drag all their peers down with them.

Learn to read, dumbass. Learn to spell, troll. At least I know not to spell "4rd grade english". Who could be such a dumb ass? Oh, it was you!!!! Who is the simpleton again? LOL.

I am done with you in this thread. Life is too short to deal with stupid troll. At least the smart trolls are more interesting.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Turks aren't allowed in Germany illegally, with winks and nods from German authorities. They have very strict immigration and labor laws.

And you're also falling for the bullshit. Illegals aren't just doing 'jobs Americans won't do' that's a line of horseshit you've been sold.

In every discussion its just people toiling in feilds picking tomatoes or whatever. In REALITY its construction. Plumbing. Factory work. Electrical work. Delivery. Hospitality work. Service jobs. Cashier jobs. Etc. More and more it's becoming professional level jobs as well.

Even agriculture isn't a 'JAWD' that's pure horseshit in itself, its just that family farms are killed off by corrupt corporate farms run by cheating exploiters, cheered on by the stupid people. And it sure as hell isn't that Americans won't do the other jobs. They just won't do them for the 'shit' that stupid left-wing twits think is awesome some exploited illegal will.

In the next thread the same dumbasses will be wining about $15 wages again- while cheerleading employers to exploit illegal labor for nothing! How fucking stupid is that?

It's not a perfect analogy of course, no doubt our relationship with Latin America allows us to have one of the most liberal immigration policies in the world, but the key factor is that immigrants are often brought in to fill lower-level jobs that ethnic natives won't. And that's just Germany; Poles got to enter the UK with ease thanks to the EU (though that obviously may change soon), and filled in those same jobs.

I didn't say anything about agriculture specifically, and agree that there are many types of employment where employers are happy to save on wage payments. I'd imagine that the jobs you mentioned have a lower delta between illegal wages and minimum wage if anything (I could trust a guy to pick berries for $3/hr maybe but probably not to put in new plumbing), and on top of that, you can probably find plenty of illegals freelancing outside of your local Home Depot or tree orphanage.

Based on your $15 wages comment I assume you're not a fan of raising the minimum wage? If so, do you think that our current minimum wage is just right? I'd personally argue that the existence of people that can survive off of it proves that illegals receive a fair wage for their services (aside from those actually exploited by businesses refusing to pay of course). One of the big problems is that there's no incentive to do menial labor for low pay when you can just collect welfare as an American citizen.

 

[fskimospy]

Ending a gravy train is not punishment, unless done for the explicit purpose of punishment.

It is not a gravy train, they are US citizen children getting the same services you received as a child.

Whether or not you want to call it a punishment is irrelevant word games that are a waste of time. This will be making the lives of millions of US citizens dramatically worse. You better be able to show me how they and the country will be much better off for it. So far all I've heard is emotional ranting.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ending a gravy train is not punishment, unless done for the explicit purpose of punishment.

What a wonderful attitude to have about America's children. They're just kids & they're American citizens, too. I think we owe each other better than that. The only way YMMV on that is if you regard them as somehow lesser, if you can define them as not real Americans.

 

[agent00f]

Learn to read, dumbass. Learn to spell, troll. At least I know not to spell "4rd grade english". Who could be such a dumb ass? Oh, it was you!!!!

I am done with you in this thread. Life is too short to deal with stupid troll.

Inside the mind of every conservative there's the belief that that blustering is a suitable substitute for actually saying anything intelligent.

 

[Svnla]

Trump supporters don't want to do these farm jobs. Plus it's probably more expensive to have them even try. They are already obese, so if they have to stand in the field and do heavy lifting all day, they'll get injured, and with American health care costs and worker comp, that will be a very expensive proposition. We should just give Trump supporters welfare to sit at home and do incest, hunt, or whatever it is they do all day, and let undocumented trained professionals pick our food. It will be cheaper and better for everyone involved.

Folks that are picking lecture are trained professionally? By what school? ILLEGAL immigration university? sneak in college? LOL.

 

[Sea Ray]

Trump supporters don't want to do these farm jobs. Plus it's probably more expensive to have them even try. They are already obese, so if they have to stand in the field and do heavy lifting all day, they'll get injured, and with American health care costs and worker comp, that will be a very expensive proposition. We should just give Trump supporters welfare to sit at home and do incest, hunt, or whatever it is they do all day, and let undocumented trained professionals pick our food. It will be cheaper and better for everyone involved.

There's nothing wrong with Mexicans doing farm jobs or whatever. They should be issued a work visa and do it legally.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

It is not a gravy train, they are US citizen children getting the same services you received as a child.

Whether or not you want to call it a punishment is irrelevant word games that are a waste of time. This will be making the lives of millions of US citizens dramatically worse. You better be able to show me how they and the country will be much better off for it. So far all I've heard is emotional ranting.

My parents paid taxes for me to receive my education, and in turn so did theirs, and so on. A person that crosses the border to give birth in an American hospital, brings their children to American emergency rooms, has their children attend American schools, etc uses far more resources than they pay back. Our system is built such that when we do bring in new citizens, they're largely educated, skilled, and/or wealthy, so that they're a net gain for our nation. Not nearly as likely when we're talking about unabated flow of cheap labor and its progeny, particularly not for those that first give birth, and then find work.

In the end, the children still benefit massively by being born here. Whether we're talking someone born in America then raised in Mexico, born here and then leaving with their parents halfway through childhood, they all still gain the right to live here as adults. Their lives are made worse only in the sense that the life of a person exploiting a mistakenly-cheap Amazon/Newegg deal is made worse when the correct value is entered.

What a wonderful attitude to have about America's children. They're just kids & they're American citizens, too. I think we owe each other better than that. The only way YMMV on that is if you regard them as somehow lesser, if you can define them as not real Americans.

They're Americans. Their parents aren't.

 

[agent00f]

My parents paid taxes for me to receive my education, and in turn so did theirs, and so on. A person that crosses the border to give birth in an American hospital, brings their children to American emergency rooms, has their children attend American schools, etc uses far more resources than they pay back. Our system is built such that when we do bring in new citizens, they're largely educated, skilled, and/or wealthy, so that they're a net gain for our nation. Not nearly as likely when we're talking about unabated flow of cheap labor and its progeny, particularly not for those that first give birth, and then find work.

In the end, the children still benefit massively by being born here. Whether we're talking someone born in America then raised in Mexico, born here and then leaving with their parents halfway through childhood, they all still gain the right to live here as adults. Their lives are made worse only in the sense that the life of a person exploiting a mistakenly-cheap Amazon/Newegg deal is made worse when the correct value is entered.

Seems if we can't educate the children of motivated hard working people properly that says more about us than them.

 

[theeedude]

Folks that are picking lecture are trained professionally? By what school? ILLEGAL immigration university? sneak in college? LOL.

A lot of them have been helping their parents in the fields since they were kids. They are trained as apprentices. As opposed to your average Trump supporter who has been smoking pot and playing with amphetamines through child hood, expecting the American dream to just happen to them.