The hunt for illegals is on.

[Puffnstuff]

Low edu/iq, aka trump support group. "HURR DURR, DATS ILLEGAL".

Agent did you miss your weekly anger management class?

 

[MongGrel]

Entering someone's country illegally is akin to driving without a license. You might get away with it for a while but sooner or later you're bound to get caught and when you do there's a price to pay for breaking the law. Stop crying over these people who made a conscience choice to break our laws and enter our country illegally. Send them all home and let them apply for entry the right and legal way. Case closed.

Migrant workers have been here for many decades to work the fields etc, I have an Aunt and Uncle used to own a small store in Indiana that would extend them credit on the cheap just to get by with what they needed. They always paid for what they purchased over time, it was a very small town but they were honest on both sides and it worked both ways.

Hell, I even used to corn detassle back in the day just to buy gas for my Camaro and buy clothes as a second job in the Summer, most people had to ride the bus but I was working a second job at the time so they allowed me to drive my car heading out to the fields when I had to hit a shift later.

 

[MongGrel]

Agent did you miss your weekly anger management class?

And I thought you were sane once upon a time.

 

[agent00f]

Agent did you miss your weekly anger management class?

They're expected terrible at trolling.

 

[Svnla]

And yet Trump has played 6 rounds of golf in the first 3 weeks, and he's blowing money as fast as he can and partying all over and making money off the taxpayers, and Svlna, Sea Ray, and gplracer think he's really worried about solving those problems.

Grow up, you've been conned.

Since you mentioned my name so I will reply. Can you quote anything I said in this thread or in this forum about supporting Trump or anything nice about him? Go ahead, I will wait. Take your time.

You were saying something about "grown up"?

Oh yeah, let vote for Hillary and Democrats so they could continue to enable the ILLEGALS..ie. rewarding bad behavior. You were saying something about "been conned"? Uh huh.

Carry on, child.

 

[Sea Ray]

There's some serious cases of white guilt around here. We've been purged of our sins by this wise black man:

I can't imagine people being stupid enough to believe all that was said at the White Privilege Conference. There's something else at work. I think it's white guilt. That's why, for almost three decades, there has appeared on my website a certificate of amnesty and pardon that I've granted to Americans of European ancestry in the hope that they stop feeling guilty and stop acting like fools

https://www.creators.com/read/walter-williams/05/14/white-privilege

A lot can be learned from that column.

 

[gplracer]

i know you don't realize it but your rants just prove your racism. no one says that minorities can't be racists, except ignorant people like you.

i bet you feel persecuted because there is no white history month.

I am still waiting for you to point out where I said that minorities cannot be racist..... You called me a racist and said I was ignorant. While you are looking check the mirror too. Since you have resorted to name calling you just showed your true colors. I bet it it tough hating an entire race. At least you are smarter and not as ignorant as me. I am sure that soothes your hatred a little.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I've never heard a good argument about why we can't enforce our borders. I do get the pitfalls of mass deportation and splitting up families, but enforcing the border? Seems like a very rational thing to do. And any violent (hell I'd even go beyond that) illegals need to be deported immediately. Not necessarily drug users, but I won't shed a tear if those convicted of drug distribution are deported as well even if that's not a violent offense (and I'm a very pro-legalization kinda guy).

Past that we need to have comprehensive immigration reform and amnesty needs to be part of that. Too many people here with too many roots to think deporting everyone is an option. But that has to be coupled with border enforcement which some are against for some bizarre reason. I think just because the other side is for it, no other reason.

 

[alien42]

I am still waiting for you to point out where I said that minorities cannot be racist..... You called me a racist and said I was ignorant. While you are looking check the mirror too. Since you have resorted to name calling you just showed your true colors. I bet it it tough hating an entire race. At least you are smarter and not as ignorant as me. I am sure that soothes your hatred a little.

maybe i could have stated it better, so let me clear it up up a little for you. you said "I notice you never mention the minorities who are racist." as a defense for white (majority) racism. i've heard that defense before and it requires a fairly high degree of racism to make. btw, i am white and i don't hate my race, which makes you the liar.

 

[gplracer]

Let's make this real simple:

A terrible crime has been committed against many people, subjugating them into a near permanent underclass, and we know who's responsible.

Any person with minimal moral ethics would take those responsible and make them pay, and should that be impossible due to said white nationalist pieces of shit, any moral society would do what it can to help rectify the situation. But you & said klan friends know that moral ethics aren't meant for y'all, and thus do the exact opposite of blaming the victims, blaming the people who believe that underclass deserves some recompense. Anything but blaming those ideological peers who still do what they can to target lower status minorities.

These are in no uncertain terms just about the worst people out there by any moral standard, and you have the audacity to pretend otherwise.

A terrible crime was committed against minorities in he past. Can you show me in any of my posts where I blamed the victims? I said I want equal rights for my children with regard to people who have the same income or greater income than me.
And these people you call ideological peers. Am I supposed to know them or be related to them. My family, my parents, and my grandparents have never been against equal rights. If you think that I am white and I should have a moral responsibility to make amends for terrible things white people have done then you must also think if you are black that you have a moral responsibilty to make amends for terrible things black people have done. I doubt you would agree to all of that since it does not work the best for you. Do not group me with people who committed atrocities because of my assumed race. That is racist. Also, do not group me with the klan. I have never met or supported a klan member. I do support their prosecution of klan members for race crimes.

 

[gplracer]

maybe i could have stated it better, so let me clear it up up a little for you. you said "I notice you never mention the minorities who are racist." as a defense for white (majority) racism. i've heard that defense before and it requires a fairly high degree of racism to make. btw, i am white and i don't hate my race, which makes you the liar.

So when agent00f posts on here constantly about white people being racist. I have acknowledged that some white people are racist but not all of them. I then point out that it goes both ways and black people can be racist too because his arguments are always one sided. That makes me a racist for daring to say that. Interesting.....

Then you point out that you are white and you do not hate your race but even though I did not know that and I assumed you were black based on your comments (granted a mistake I made and I apologize) I am now a liar because you do not hate your race. How did you get to liar with the limited knowledge that I have on this forum about you. That implies I knew you were white and I said you hated your race. You know that is not the case.

I also never defended white majority racism. I never said minorities should not get the same rights as me. You are misrepresenting the facts again.

 

[agent00f]

A terrible crime was committed against minorities in he past. Can you show me in any of my posts where I blamed the victims? I said I want equal rights for my children with regard to people who have the same income or greater income than me.
And these people you call ideological peers. Am I supposed to know them or be related to them. My family, my parents, and my grandparents have never been against equal rights. If you think that I am white and I should have a moral responsibility to make amends for terrible things white people have done then you must also think if you are black that you have a moral responsibilty to make amends for terrible things black people have done. I doubt you would agree to all of that since it does not work the best for you. Do not group me with people who committed atrocities because of my assumed race. That is racist. Also, do not group me with the klan. I have never met or supported a klan member. I do support their prosecution of klan members for race crimes.

As some examples, redlining & such continued for quite a while after desegregation, and people who living through both are still alive today. This continues with your peers doing what they can to put lower status minorities in their places as you may have noticed from your party platform. Your ideology pretends that ceasing to commit a crime is adequate remedy as along as the perp is them, which really shows their position on ethics & justice.

It's blatantly clear you'll never advocate for any action against the perps to protect your own, and just keep pretending it's a victimless crime or past some statute of limitations or whatever excuse that no one is really responsible. Just because the people who tell you you're the Real victim here don't literally wear a hood doesn't mean they have dissimilar ideals, and your dedication to diverting the topic to the underclass getting some pissant recompense demonstrates your complicity in their cause.

To sum up, it's not in your selfish interest to understand any of this which means it will never happen for people with conservative levels of moral integrity.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Not reading through the whole thread to catch up, who are the "perps" and who are the victims and what should be done about it?

 

[agent00f]

So when agent00f posts on here constantly about white people being racist. I have acknowledged that some white people are racist but not all of them. I then point out that it goes both ways and black people can be racist too because his arguments are always one sided. That makes me a racist for daring to say that. Interesting.....

Then you point out that you are white and you do not hate your race but even though I did not know that and I assumed you were black based on your comments (granted a mistake I made and I apologize) I am now a liar because you do not hate your race. How did you get to liar with the limited knowledge that I have on this forum about you. That implies I knew you were white and I said you hated your race. You know that is not the case.

I also never defended white majority racism. I never said minorities should not get the same rights as me. You are misrepresenting the facts again.

To be very clear, I'm not saying you're racist per se, you just count them among your friends enough to champion their cause.

 

[agent00f]

Not reading through the whole thread to catch up, who are the "perps" and who are the victims and what should be done about it?

There were a lot of people (perps) responsible for the subjugation of various minorities (victims). A justice society would make perps pay for crimes, but the perps managed to unload that debt to everyone else. People who really relate to the perps as their own can't/won't blame their perp peers for pulling this on them, and so pretend to be the Real victim here for paying for their friends' debt.

This is absolutely trivial to understand, but it'll be no mystery why conservatives will forever fail to.

 

[UglyCasanova]

There were a lot of people (perps) responsible for the subjugation of various minorities (victims). A justice society would make perps pay for crimes, but the perps managed to unload that debt to everyone else. People who really relate to the perps as their own can't/won't blame their perp peers for pulling this on them, and so pretend to be the Real victim here for paying for their friends' debt.

This is absolutely trivial to understand, but it'll be no mystery why conservatives will forever fail to.

Are there any particular people you have in mind? And what and how much should be paid, in what manner, and to whom? Am I conservative?

 

[agent00f]

Are there any particular people you have in mind? And what and how much should be paid, in what manner, and to whom? Am I conservative?

Estates of slave owners, participants in segregation/redlining/etc; to descendants of slaves, targeted minorities in general. And since we're talking about justice, let's make it punitive to make theirs a cautionary tale.

The conservatives are the ones who'll proclaim it's all too complicated or whatever other excuse and therefore can't/shouldn't be done.

 

[Jhhnn]

I've never heard a good argument about why we can't enforce our borders. I do get the pitfalls of mass deportation and splitting up families, but enforcing the border? Seems like a very rational thing to do. And any violent (hell I'd even go beyond that) illegals need to be deported immediately. Not necessarily drug users, but I won't shed a tear if those convicted of drug distribution are deported as well even if that's not a violent offense (and I'm a very pro-legalization kinda guy).

Past that we need to have comprehensive immigration reform and amnesty needs to be part of that. Too many people here with too many roots to think deporting everyone is an option. But that has to be coupled with border enforcement which some are against for some bizarre reason. I think just because the other side is for it, no other reason.

To the best of my recollection nobody has argued for lax border control in this thread. As you say, some amnesty is necessary if we're to serve the interests of American citizen children. There are ~4.5M who will be negatively affected otherwise.

http://www.apa.org/topics/immigration/undocumented-video.aspx

 

[UglyCasanova]

To the best of my recollection nobody has argued for lax border control in this thread. As you say, some amnesty is necessary if we're to serve the interests of American citizen children. There are ~4.5M who will be negatively affected otherwise.

http://www.apa.org/topics/immigration/undocumented-video.aspx

I haven't read through the thread, just jumped in at the end, so I'm not sure if anyone has said anything about lax border enforcement either. Border security has definitely been argued against on here and elsewhere before and seems to be a hot button issue for some and I've never understood why.

 

[gplracer]

[QUOTE="gplracer, post: 38758479, member: 21856"A terrible crime was committed against minorities in he past. Can you show me in any of my posts where I blamed the victims? I said I want equal rights for my children with regard to people who have the same income or greater income than me.
And these people you call ideological peers. Am I supposed to know them or be related to them. My family, my parents, and my grandparents have never been against equal rights. If you think that I am white and I should have a moral responsibility to make amends for terrible things white people have done then you must also think if you are black that you have a moral responsibilty to make amends for terrible things black people have done. I doubt you would agree to all of that since it does not work the best for you. Do not group me with people who committed atrocities because of my assumed race. That is racist. Also, do not group me with the klan. I have never met or supported a klan member. I do support their prosecution of klan members for race crimes.

As some examples, redlining & such continued for quite a while after desegregation, and people who living through both are still alive today. This continues with your peers doing what they can to put lower status minorities in their places as you may have noticed from your party platform. Your ideology pretends that ceasing to commit a crime is adequate remedy as along as the perp is them, which really shows their position on ethics & justice. ]

It's blatantly clear you'll never advocate for any action against the perps to protect your own, and just keep pretending it's a victimless crime or past some statute of limitations or whatever excuse that no one is really responsible. Just because the people who tell you you're the Real victim here don't literally wear a hood doesn't mean they have dissimilar ideals, and your dedication to diverting the topic to the underclass getting some pissant recompense demonstrates your complicity in their cause.

To sum up, it's not in your selfish interest to understand any of this which means it will never happen for people with conservative levels of moral integrity.[/QUOTE]
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You still made several references about me in your post. You never referenced them from specific posts that I made.

On the other hand I will quote yours:
"Your ideology pretends that ceasing to commit a crime is adequate remedy as along as the perp is them" No one in my family committed a crime. I never advocated that ceasing to commit a crime is adequate remedy. I think anyone who has committed a crime should be prosecuted. If an individual committed a race crime 50 years ago, prosecute them to the fullest extend of the law. I will give you another example. I think illegal aliens should be deported because like in your own words ceasing to commit a crime is not an adequate remedy.

You also said:
"It's blatantly clear you'll never advocate for any action against the perps to protect your own" How is this perfectly clear to you? I am advocating now to protect my own. This whole conversation started with an earlier post that I made. I have taken the time to look it up and quote it since you apparently cannot find quotes to support what you say about me: "I paid for my college and graduate degrees. I work long hours to provide for my family. I am borrowing money to send my son to college. He is a good student and graduated with honors. I find it frustrating that minority students who did not work as hard and have grades as good as him are getting a portion of their college paid for only because they are a minority."
I realize this is harsh statement but it is what it is. I should have said "minority who has the same income or higher as me." I have no issue with those in need who need help to pay. Realize I am a person in lots of debt trying to do the best for my kids. I do not make enough money to pay outright, but I make too much money to get help. If I was a minority making the same amount of money I would get help. That does not seem fair. If you think it is fair then we have a difference of opinion.

You also said:
"This continues with your peers doing what they can to put lower status minorities in their places" You know my peers and what they do? I think not. I have NEVER made a post about keeping minorities in their places. Find that and show it to me.

You also said:
"and just keep pretending it's a victimless crime or past some statute of limitations or whatever excuse that no one is really responsible." I said somewhere it is victimless crime and no one is responsible? Find that and show me.

A poster said
Are there any particular people you have in mind? And what and how much should be paid, in what manner, and to whom? Am I conservative?

You said:
"Estates of slave owners, participants in segregation/redlining/etc; to descendants of slaves" Estates of slave owners........ Wow! This one is not really not related to our discussion, but it is so funny that I had to post it. Please excuse my indulgence.
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You might want to think more clearly and get your facts straight before you post something on the forum. You make all these statements about people, but they are generalizations and your opinion. They are not based on factual statements that people have made here in the forum in many cases.

Also, you try to use really big words to make yourself look smart, but it really has the opposite effect in my opinion. It looks like you are trying too hard. You could probably communicate your ideas better if you used a different vocabulary.

 

[UglyCasanova]

You're arguing with a blatant troll, don't get too worked up about it. Why he's continually allowed to post here is beyond me (I'm sure it's an alter-account of some other user with absolutely nothing to do).

 

[Puffnstuff]

Roundup: It's not just for weeds anymore.

 

[agent00f]

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You still made several references about me in your post. You never referenced them from specific posts that I made.

On the other hand I will quote yours:
"Your ideology pretends that ceasing to commit a crime is adequate remedy as along as the perp is them" No one in my family committed a crime. I never advocated that ceasing to commit a crime is adequate remedy. I think anyone who has committed a crime should be prosecuted. If an individual committed a race crime 50 years ago, prosecute them to the fullest extend of the law. I will give you another example. I think illegal aliens should be deported because like in your own words ceasing to commit a crime is not an adequate remedy.

You also said:
"It's blatantly clear you'll never advocate for any action against the perps to protect your own" How is this perfectly clear to you? I am advocating now to protect my own. This whole conversation started with an earlier post that I made. I have taken the time to look it up and quote it since you apparently cannot find quotes to support what you say about me: "I paid for my college and graduate degrees. I work long hours to provide for my family. I am borrowing money to send my son to college. He is a good student and graduated with honors. I find it frustrating that minority students who did not work as hard and have grades as good as him are getting a portion of their college paid for only because they are a minority."
I realize this is harsh statement but it is what it is. I should have said "minority who has the same income or higher as me." I have no issue with those in need who need help to pay. Realize I am a person in lots of debt trying to do the best for my kids. I do not make enough money to pay outright, but I make too much money to get help. If I was a minority making the same amount of money I would get help. That does not seem fair. If you think it is fair then we have a difference of opinion.

You also said:
"This continues with your peers doing what they can to put lower status minorities in their places" You know my peers and what they do? I think not. I have NEVER made a post about keeping minorities in their places. Find that and show it to me.

You also said:
"and just keep pretending it's a victimless crime or past some statute of limitations or whatever excuse that no one is really responsible." I said somewhere it is victimless crime and no one is responsible? Find that and show me.

A poster said
Are there any particular people you have in mind? And what and how much should be paid, in what manner, and to whom? Am I conservative?

You said:
"Estates of slave owners, participants in segregation/redlining/etc; to descendants of slaves" Estates of slave owners........ Wow! This one is not really not related to our discussion, but it is so funny that I had to post it. Please excuse my indulgence.
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You might want to think more clearly and get your facts straight before you post something on the forum. You make all these statements about people, but they are generalizations and your opinion. They are not based on factual statements that people have made here in the forum in many cases.

Also, you try to use really big words to make yourself look smart, but it really has the opposite effect in my opinion. It looks like you are trying too hard. You could probably communicate your ideas better if you used a different vocabulary.

You're arguing with a blatant troll, don't get too worked up about it. Why he's continually allowed to post here is beyond me (I'm sure it's an alter-account of some other user with absolutely nothing to do).

Roundup: It's not just for weeds anymore.

Entirely expected that no conservative will ever accept anything bad said about their klan friends or that relationship in general.

 

[gplracer]

Entirely expected that no conservative will ever accept anything bad said about their klan friends or that relationship in general.

Expected post from you. You comment with something totally unrelated. It shows you inability to respond to all the generalizations you made.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Entirely expected that no conservative will ever accept anything bad said about their klan friends or that relationship in general.

So mods, just clarifying is saying three forum members are friends with the klan kosher?