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The Horrors of Socialized Healthcare

Yeah but he was given socialized IV fluids, socialized phlebotomists drew blood which the socialized lab ran socialized tests on, the socialized hospital techs performed a socialized ultrasound to make sure he didn’t have gall stones or appendicitis, and eventually they gave him two socialized prescriptions and discharged him.

If he had been in the USA, he would have been given Murican IV fluids, Murican phlebotomists drew blood which the Murican lab ran Murican tests on, the Murican hospital techs performed a Murican ultrasound to make sure he didn’t have gall stones or appendicitis, and eventually they gave him two Murican prescriptions and discharged him.

We all know that the Murican versions are orders of magnitude better as reflected by their price. Heck he probably has gall stones and appendicitis that socialized ultrasound can't detect, and probably a chronic case of depression which could be treated with a pill that only turns 5% of users purple.
 
The world is replete with models for healthcare that work better than ours and cost a ton less. We've decided to ignore them while politicians emptily express concern about what to do before cashing in.
 
Because Merica has the best healthcare ever! We are only one of the worst among developed nations. Oh as a note, I got 2 300mg vials in the mail this morning delivered by UPS for a medication I have to take... cost? Ohhhhh 32,300.78.
 
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dank69 said:
Yeah but he was given socialized IV fluids, socialized phlebotomists drew blood which the socialized lab ran socialized tests on, the socialized hospital techs performed a socialized ultrasound to make sure he didn’t have gall stones or appendicitis, and eventually they gave him two socialized prescriptions and discharged him.

If he had been in the USA, he would have been given Murican IV fluids, Murican phlebotomists drew blood which the Murican lab ran Murican tests on, the Murican hospital techs performed a Murican ultrasound to make sure he didn’t have gall stones or appendicitis, and eventually they gave him two Murican prescriptions and discharged him.

We all know that the Murican versions are orders of magnitude better as reflected by their price. Heck he probably has gall stones and appendicitis that socialized ultrasound can't detect, and probably a chronic case of depression which could be treated with a pill that only turns 5% of users purple.
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Did he help anyone become a billionaire? No? Now we see the true horrors of socialized medicine.
 
There are plenty of horror stories in US healthcare too, but anecdotes dont make a data set. You need to look at large scale cost/outcomes, in which case the US is the most expensive and has poor outcomes relative to other developed countries.

Edit: RTFA. So terrible indeed!
 
Friend of a Friends horror story. He was in England for some trade show. He was opening a box for a display in his hotel room with what he described as a stupid knife to use. He cut his hand very deep using the knife, he bled on the bed and carpet. He said "oh shit" I don't want to get billed for the blood stain. Called cleaning to let them know, a guy showed up and insisted he go to the hospital. Guy was worried about the cost. Sits down in the ER waits a bit, he said it wasn't along time but it wasn't immediate either. Got a temporary bandage, sat down with some administrator who advised him to pay a "priority access fee" to get added for care, had someone who appeared to be an intern do some stitches and left with some antibiotic. Total cost $20 for the express filing thing, $20 for the stitches/antibiotic thing. Total of $40.00.

Which brings us to:
How much should stitches and a basic antibiotic cost?
How much should a fairly standard blood test cost
How much should a basic kidney scan cost
how much should billing, reading the tests or scan cost.
 
The conservative brain is magnetized by the notion that socialism is horrible. Having that fear is what creates horror in their lives. Fear is mental paralysis and anti evolutionary because it fears progress. That horror gets projected right over onto liberals insuring a miserable life for all. The conservative brain is the reason there's a hell.
 
Fenixgoon said:
There are plenty of horror stories in US healthcare too, but anecdotes dont make a data set. You need to look at large scale cost/outcomes, in which case the US is the most expensive and has poor outcomes relative to other developed countries.

Edit: RTFA. So terrible indeed!
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LOL I did the same thing at first. RTFA indeed.
 
Those of us educated people who live in socialized health care systems would never know how bad we had it if Americans weren't there to explain to us why it's inferior.
 
The trick to this story is that it's not that people on both sides of the aisle don't want better healthcare, it's just that one side of the aisle is of the FYGM mentality. They simply do not care for their fellow Americans.
 
K1052 said:
The world is replete with models for healthcare that work better than ours and cost a ton less. We've decided to ignore them while politicians emptily express concern about what to do before cashing in.
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How about having a model that's better than theirs? We don't even have a system.
 
Now, now, in the US his cost probably only would have been in the $3,000-8,000 range. Is that so unreasonable?
 
dank69 said:
I'd suggest we copy a working model first, and then think about improving it as we go along.
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The problem is that copying means establishing the worlds largest bureaucracy (out of necessity) and changing even minor things will be either impossible or have consequences which cannot be foreseen. Think of this as something that can do more harm by far than Trump because things aren't academic, they literally have life and death consequences.

Understand that this isn't a "status quo" suggestion, far from it, but whatever we come up with has to fit our legal system and work on a far greater scale than the rest of the western world put together.

So we have people who know what's going on, that is related to care in all aspects to work independently of politicians to create and test systems then implement based on lessons learned. This really isn't rocket science. Getting to Mars is child's play by comparison.
 
Stupid question, is it that cheap because of some kind of system efficiency, or does the hospital just end up billing the government for the remaining amount, which is still comparable to US costs?
 
Mr.IncrediblyBored said:
Stupid question, is it that cheap because of some kind of system efficiency, or does the hospital just end up billing the government for the remaining amount, which is still comparable to US costs?
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Not an expert but I think it varies by country. They generally have lower costs because of price controls and fewer billing parties involved. US Healthcare has way too many middlemen that add zero value.
 
If i remember right Taiwan was one of the countries that sent top officials and doctors to almost all other countries that have socialized medicine to learn about what works and doesnt in each particular system. Came back home and shared notes and then formalized their new socialized healthcare system based off what was working in other countries. Sounds smart. So Murica has no chance, sadly lol
 
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