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The HOA is coming after your truck

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CZroe said:
...while simultaneously continuing to express your ignorance by declaring us "owned." 🙄

I like how you linked a boat to point out that I wasn't specific enough when I did specifically say "land vehicle."
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What you actually said was "An automobile is any vehicle that moves under its own power."

I guess you aren't done making an ass out of yourself. Are you actually defending your idiotic assumption that "automobile" equals "car" by linking to the Wikipedia page for "Car?"
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Look again.
 
Blackjack200 said:
What you actually said was "An automobile is any vehicle that moves under its own power."


I guess you aren't done making an ass out of yourself. Are you actually defending your idiotic assumption that "automobile" equals "car" by linking to the Wikipedia page for "Car?"
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Look again.
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There you go again. I was not writing a dictionary. I was not writing an encyclopedia entry. There was an underlying assumption that only an idiot would demand that I specify. Even so, I did get NEEDLESSLY more specific later in the same post. If anything, it is you who needs to read more carefully:
CZroe said:
...An automobile is any vehicle that moves under its own power. That's why I need automobile insurance for my motorcycle...
Automobile has NEVER been equated with "car." The whole point is to have a general term to reference all classes of self-propelled land vehicles.
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A Streetcar Named DUH-sire.

Trains have cars too. Something tells me that "Automobile" forwarding to "Car" doesn't mean as much as you think it means, especially when it says "typically" right there in the definition.
 
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What does this thread have to do with either POLITICS or NEWS? A home owners association is a private, nongovernmental organization. They can enact whatever rules and regulations they want (that aren't otherwise illegal, like race discrimination). If you don't like the rules of the HOA don't buy the property, it's as simple as that.

HOA's are powerful in states which reject the concept of (governmental) zoning, like Texas. If this rule was imposed by zoning you could have recourse in the courts. But since it is a private agreement voluntarily entered into, good luck.

I'm a little sick of libertarians wanting it both ways-no government control but then whining about the private enterprise alternatives.
 
my god. this thread took a turn for the stupid. Are you fuckers really arguing that "automobile" just means a car? fuckin idiots.
 
Thump553 said:
What does this thread have to do with either POLITICS or NEWS? A home owners association is a private, nongovernmental organization. They can enact whatever rules and regulations they want (that aren't otherwise illegal, like race discrimination). If you don't like the rules of the HOA don't buy the property, it's as simple as that.

HOA's are powerful in states which reject the concept of (governmental) zoning, like Texas. If this rule was imposed by zoning you could have recourse in the courts. But since it is a private agreement voluntarily entered into, good luck.

I'm a little sick of libertarians wanting it both ways-no government control but then whining about the private enterprise alternatives.
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Wrong there are some legal limits as to what an HOA can restrict. Such as antennas on roofs and dishes on roofs.
 
Pipeline 1010 said:
This is exactly why I would never live in a neighborhood with an HOA. It's full of evil tyrants like shira who have no moral problem playing petty dictator and enforcing rules made of pet-peeves on people. The HOA boards are almost exclusively populated by people who take a perverse pleasure in telling other people what to do, and who get a sense of satisfaction upon successfully forcing people to comply with their whims.
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thumbs waaaay up dude.

The HOA I was cursed to live under for years operated like that. I had a running issue with the HOA and Property Management company for almost a year!!

The Property Management company that was brought in was so crooked. At one point my HOA fines were almost $2K because of fencing that I took down but they failed to have a special investigator go out and inspect my property to clear the infractions.

It almost went to court. Finally some corporate manager with the Property Management company realized they violated so many CC&R's (Including Fair Debt Collection Practices Act) and reimbursed all my money

And the HOA board of Directors?? they allowed all of it to happen.

There were a MILLION reasons why I wanted to buy into that property...the HOA governance was NOT one of those reasons. I will never live in an HOA governed community ever again. As I type this there is a growing movement of my own neighbors that are trying to replace the Property Management Company operating in our community and remove several board members... its disgusting

HOA's are the worst thing we could do to each other as citizens and as a community.
 
shira said:
No. People move into areas with HOAs volunarily. We move into HOA-controlled areas because we don't want a bunch of rednecks polluting the residential landscape with commercial vehicles, private businesses operating out of garages, boats on trailer hitches, discarded automobiles rusting on lawns, huge satellite dishes, uncontrolled dogs barking, and other nuisances that essentially say, "I don't give fuck that I'm making life miserable for my neighbors and lowering property values; I'm going to do exactly what I want to do."

Since anyone thinking of moving into a HOA-controlled area knows EXACTLY what the rules are before hand, those who move in and THEN complain are being complete assholes.

And completely contrary to your characterization of HOAs as being controlled by petty-dictator-neighbors, exactly the opposite is true: The typical situation is that a homeowner decides to ignore the rules and do something that's a clear violation.
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Is there any data that supports that HOA's contribute to rising property values?

And what ever happened to walking over to your neighbors house to talk?

My neighbor (again, same property and HOA governed) built his chicken coop inside the SETBACK line on his property, between his property and mine. He wasn't aware at the time he did it, he realized it was a mistake, he came by to talk about it.

I didn't need to write a nasty letter to him or the HOA, I didn't get anyone involved other than him and I. and quite frankly, the chicken coop doesn't bother me at all.

When my chickens were getting loose from their coop and going over to my neighbors to the east..they came over to ask me to fix my coop, problem solved.

no need to get the HOA involved.

people need to get back to being able to TALK to neighbors...no need for a stupid HOA to "help" keep the property values up

I'm willing to bet that high HOA fees actually DROP home values.

by the way, I'd gladly pay a HOA fee for the common areas to be maintained, street lights and other fixtures to be repaired, and for the field areas behind the properties to be maintained for fire safety...thats about it. Right now my HOA fees are $200 monthly, that's $2400 a year...there are 200 homes in my community...that's $480K a year and we get the BARE minimum in maintenance for common areas....god don't get me started...

All of these rules governing landscaping and what types of mailboxes or trees to plant in the front yard can kiss my ass...that's total subjective bullshit under the guise of "keeping property values up" *Edit* EXAMPLE: I wanted to install and stain a redwood fence a natural stain to fit in with the surrounding rural colors..something simple right? Well my landscaping committee didn't want a stained wood fence up so they allowed me to install the wood fence, but I'd have to paint it white to match the trim of the house...both options are acceptable when considering that the fence would be painted/stained to enhance the aesthetic. But I had to paint the fence white in order to get the fence approved...which was not my choice...but the landscape committee's choice. Where the F-CK does that make any sense in America!?

And using the argument that, "Well..you VOLUNTARILY signed the CC&Rs" is a cop out...pure and simple. Again, I have a million reasons why I bought into the property and the HOA wasn't one of them. HOA's are not that important and it's the people that make them all powerful I have a REAL problem with.

In the end, my mistake, I will never live in an HOA governed community again.
 
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shira said:
My own HOA doesn't "outlaw" pickup trucks, just "commercial vehicles." So a pickup truck used as a passenger vehicle would be fine here. But a pickup truck regularly filled with (for example) construction materials and equipment, where everyone in the neighborhood knew that the pickup truck was a work vehicle, would not be tolerated.
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Forgive me, but I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that what you described above is a problem for you..

why is it a problem exactly? your neighbors commercial vehicle with his work tools in the back...somehow offends you?

Did you ever stop and ask yourself why?
 
OrByte said:
Forgive me, but I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that what you described above is a problem for you..

why is it a problem exactly? your neighbors commercial vehicle with his work tools in the back...somehow offends you?

Did you ever stop and ask yourself why?
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/this

I have no issue living next to do a plumber, construction worker. whatver.

Long as they took care of the property and were nice. who gives a shit what vehicle they drive or what job they do?
 
OrByte said:
Forgive me, but I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that what you described above is a problem for you..

why is it a problem exactly? your neighbors commercial vehicle with his work tools in the back...somehow offends you?

Did you ever stop and ask yourself why?
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Surely you don't expect him to live near someone who does <shudder> manual labor for a living and doesn't even have the common decency to pretend he's an office drone. What kind of monster are you?
 
Blanky said:
It even has a crew cab. HOAs like that give other HOAs a bad name. I can't see them winning. It's arbitrary and silly.
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I've never said "Oh I love our homeowners association! They use that excessive fee to good use by sending me flyers that my grass is slightly too long, but the neighbor nextdoor that has weeds up to my waist all year hasn't had shit done"

Seriously. HOAs can blow me. Lesson learned after this house. Live somewhere without them.
 
My grandparents live in a gated HOA. It has golf courses, gyms, swimming pools, community centers, shopping areas, marina, and so forth. They aren't over the top and I believe it costs them around $2000 per year. To have family/friends to come in, you simply call them through or reserve a sticker for them. They've never expressed any limitations. Anything they do not allow such as a boat in the driveway, they offer a nice solution, such as space at the marina for it.

Its actually a really well run operation and it never felt oppressing. I think there are decent ways to run HOAs, but things can go tits up really fast if the wrong person is running the show.

I'd still not be interested in living in such a place, but it does make a bit more sense than some of the crazy HOAs I've seen.
 
OrByte said:
Forgive me, but I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that what you described above is a problem for you..

why is it a problem exactly? your neighbors commercial vehicle with his work tools in the back...somehow offends you?

Did you ever stop and ask yourself why?
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Manual laborers are beneath him socially, and he'd rather not be around them.
 
DCal430 said:
Then park the truck in the garage and car on the driveway. A boat if he has one belongs in storage, which is what my HOA requires.
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The point is that his HOA per the bylaws allow him to park his truck on his driveway. Why should he have to change his garage, or move what he has stored or do anything different with his property just because it pisses one or two people off?
 
DCal430 said:
Truth be told, I don't really like all my own HOA rules. I have to notify my HOA if I have more than one guest parking at my house over night. But the area I wanted to live only had HOAs. Some of the rules seem too much.
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Do they actually enforce a bullshit rule like that? I understand the desire to keep a bunch of cars off the road but having to notify someone if you have more than one guest seems way to far. Seems like whoever wrote the bylaws was a nosy fuck.
 
Thump553 said:
What does this thread have to do with either POLITICS or NEWS? A home owners association is a private, nongovernmental organization. They can enact whatever rules and regulations they want (that aren't otherwise illegal, like race discrimination). If you don't like the rules of the HOA don't buy the property, it's as simple as that.

HOA's are powerful in states which reject the concept of (governmental) zoning, like Texas. If this rule was imposed by zoning you could have recourse in the courts. But since it is a private agreement voluntarily entered into, good luck.

I'm a little sick of libertarians wanting it both ways-no government control but then whining about the private enterprise alternatives.
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It made the news because the guy did agree to the rules and he abided by said rules yet some dipshit on a power trip decided to try and interpret the rules the wrong way and force this guy to get rid of his very nice truck.
 
OrByte said:
Again, I have a million reasons why I bought into the property and the HOA wasn't one of them. HOA's are not that important and it's the people that make them all powerful I have a REAL problem with.

In the end, my mistake, I will never live in an HOA governed community again.
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This.

Honestly the idea behind HOA are sound and I've seen a lot of small ones without any issues but there is always the chance that the asshole in the neighborhood with nothing better to do than fuck with people will someday be the head of the HOA.

Basic stuff, like you can't park in your grass or you can't have a car on blocks is just fine, its when they get really nitpicky. A fucking landscape committee FFS, that's absurd. Sounds like living in the vieux carre (historic New Orleans French Quarter area) but at least their goal is keeping the historic look because they are actually historical buildings. You have to get approval from them to put a fan on your balcony and then they tell you the specific fan you have to use.
 
Darwin333 said:
Do they actually enforce a bullshit rule like that? I understand the desire to keep a bunch of cars off the road but having to notify someone if you have more than one guest seems way to far. Seems like whoever wrote the bylaws was a nosy fuck.
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My first thought was that someone should investigate the HOA to see whether they were former prison guards or merely garden variety Nazis.

Papers please.
 
werepossum said:
My first thought was that someone should investigate the HOA to see whether they were former prison guards or merely garden variety Nazis.

Papers please.
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No shit, I'll be damned if I ever voluntarily own a home in which I have to ask permission, or even inform someone, to have visitors. That's just insane and exactly the type of micro-managing HOA I'd avoid like the plague.
 
Darwin333 said:
No shit, I'll be damned if I ever voluntarily own a home in which I have to ask permission, or even inform someone, to have visitors. That's just insane and exactly the type of micro-managing HOA I'd avoid like the plague.
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Yep, me too. I don't see how these people avoid getting daily ass whoopings.

Yeah, I've got a visitor for your ass, a Mr. Wolverine size 10 steel toe.
 
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